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  Is the Revelation Grand Climax book in print anymore?

  by wallsofjericho in

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  i watched a couple daniel clark videos on youtube (simple but interesting btw) and he mentioned the revelation book is no longer in print.. is that true??

  what other books did we grow up with that are out of print?.

  truth booklive forever book(old) united in worship(old) evolution/creation bookthose seem to be the biggies.

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  they should make JW study it again...it would be hilarious. the elders would quit on the spot.
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  The Apostate Boogeyman--a figment of JW imagination

  by Londo111 in

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  2. beliefs

  apostates are a figment of the jw imagination.

  not necessarily the dictionary definition of the word apostate, which simply means a person who leaves their religion, for by that definition everyone who leaves a religion to become a jw is an apostate--but the jw conception of the apostate, both as an individual and as a 'group' is imaginary.. .

  for starters, the watchtower goes beyond the definition of merely leaving the religion, if a person disagrees with a doctrine or practice of the organization, even if they dont voice it, that is a thoughtcrime called apostasy.

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  'What's the believer with out the disbeliever?'...or something like that. They NEED apostacy.
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  Is Bethel Full Of Governing Body Ass Kissers?

  by frankiespeakin in

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  when we see the massive layoff of bethel one could naturally ask which ones survived this brutal treatment by the governing body?

  i'm sure ass kissers got a more favorable vote by the governing body to stay than the run of the mill hard valuable worker.. while all in the legal team got to stay as they are not required to kiss the governing body's ass(as much) but save it from lawsuits they are faced with.. what say you?

  this a partial part of my opinion.. i wonder how much ass kissing, or ego stroking actually goes on once one becomes a member of the gb, i'm sure the ones the governing body keeps closest to them are their best ass kissers it goes along with the narcissistic personality disorder's territory in which he chooses to rome..

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  yes
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  Jehovah Got What It Takes To Spawn Mind Control Cults Run By Those Who Have Narcissistic Personality Disorder

  by frankiespeakin in

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  2. beliefs

  just look at this deity: he's all powerful, he's jealous, he falls into rages over trifles, he punishes other for being cruel and unloveing but he himself gets off scott free when he is unloving cruel, challenging him is considered a sin, you cannot worship other dieties, he alway tells the truth(unchallenged), his word is alway truth(not to be challenged), obeying him leads to life disobeying him lead to death, he's blood thirsty but justified, and the list can get quite big.. this type of diety falls naturally in line with those who have narcissistic personality disorder as the diety has it and so he would have drawing power over those that suffer from this or those already worshipping this deity would start to think like him as they work into their thinking his justifications thus giving themselve a green light to entrench their thinking or align their thinking to his disorder.. .

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  Fed-up

  hahahah!

  thanks Frankie!
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  Fictious "Universal Sovereignty" Issue Proposed By Watchtower Corporation Is Idiotic

  by frankiespeakin in

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  2. beliefs

  ok so a big part of the wt corporation ideological structure is the invention of the issue before all creation being "universal sovereignty".. the story goes like this very basically:.

  for untold years jehovah's soverneignty was never challenged, then after so many millions of years jehovahs started his earthly creation with adam&eve being the culmination of that work.

  soon afterwards satan seduces eve to disobey jehovah and thus we have the very first act of disobedience satan slanders god by telling eve god is selfish as to the reason he forbids eating this other wise nice looking fruit adam joins his wife in the rebellion.. god in his infinite wisdom allows this rebellion because this was a challenge to his sovereingty and so he is allowing a reasonable amount of time to let mankind and angels see for themselves that his rulership is better that satan's.. so basically it is like a bet he has with satan or who's rulership is best, and he's allowing time to prove his is far superior.. well if you look at it logically it don't add up.. 1. if god is going to allow satan to prove his point about who's rulership is better why is he alway interfereing and interveining that's unfair.. 2. god goes on killing sprees of people man women and chilldren (not very smart for some trying to prove his rulership is better for people to follow.. 3. god show himself to be jealous (not a good trait for a ruler to endear himself to people).. 4. god's scare people to except his ruler ship.. and i have even more reason to show the whole idea is a made up sham..

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  This is from "SOVEREIGNTY", Insight on the Scriptures, volume 2...

  "Jehovah permitted the issue to be joined. Not, however, because he was unsure of the righteousness of his own sovereignty. He needed nothing proved to himself. It was out of love for his intelligent creatures that he allowed time for the testing out of the matter. He permitted men to undergo a test by Satan, before all the universe. And he gave his creatures the privilege of proving the Devil a liar, and of removing the slander not only from God’s name but also from their own. Satan, in his egotistic attitude, was ‘given up to a disapproved mental state.’ In his approach to Eve, he had evidently been contradictory in his own reasoning. (Ro 1:28) For he was charging God with unfair, unrighteous exercise of sovereignty and, at the same time, was evidently counting on God’s fairness: He seemed to think that God would consider Himself obliged to let him live on if he proved his charge concerning the unfaithfulness of God’s creatures."

  THIS IS STUPID. So, Satan, as a perfect, spirit being didn't think his rebellion through? Give me a break. The best though: That Satan was "evidently" counting on God's fairness and "He seemed to think"...

  So, based on the GOVERNING BODY OF JEHOVAHS WITNESSES, admittedly not inspired but spirit directed interpretation of scripture, Satan was "in a disapproved mental state", which caused him to be "evidently contradictory in his reasoning" and then offer this gem, Satan "seemed to think...".

  So these GB HUMANS are not only telling us now what GOD feels and thinks, but are able to accurately deduce the THINKING and REASONING of a "mentally disapproved", "contradictory", "rebellious" spirit creature with an "egotistical attitude".

  For arguments sake, when you deal with a person with those traits, do you really take them seriously? I don't. IF ANY of this is even close to true, why Jehovah took Satan seriously is beyond me. But then, I'm just a human.

  "DO NOT PUT YOUR TRUST...IN THE SON OF EARTHINLING MAN, TO WHOM NO SALVATION BELONGS" Ps. 146:3

  In all honesty, the GB of today sounds like Satan. Contradictory, rebellious, and egotistical. That is just my opinion.
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  First [brief] conversation w/elder for years

  by AK - Jeff in

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  in my area, i am labeled an 'active apostate', among other things i am sure.

  i live in a very small town, and bump into elders who hate me beyond words.

  if they could, i am sure they would gladly stone me before the entire villiage while chanting 'apostate, apostate.'.

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  Quendi said " since I was disfellowshipped and that time has convinced me that few active Witnesses know the meaning of real friendship."

  Witnesses don't have "real friends" they have "friendships based on our mutaul love of Jehovah and appreciation for his organization..." They don't have real friends so they have no idea how to be a real friend.
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  The Florida Concentration Camp for little Boys .. At least 50 bodies found

  by fulltimestudent in

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  2. scandals

  this is a terrible story, as i believe from other reports that places like this were common in the usa.

  (as well as, the uk, ireland, canada, australia and god knows where else).you can only wonder how no-one else in authority knew about this.

  i think they did, and the authorities of that time were prepared to do nothing and say nothing.. web reference : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-concentration-camp-for-little-boys-dark-secrets-unearthed-in-kkk-county-8518009.html.

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  I have to wonder, where is Jehovah in all this?
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  Not the most gripping plot in Caleb's latest adventure...

  by cedars in

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  2. friends

  http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/stealing-is-bad/.

  caleb sees some brightly-colored lollies.. caleb's mom tells him they're not buying candy today.. caleb puts down the lollies, sulking.. caleb thinks about stealing just one lolly, but remembers his dad's words at family study, that if he steals he won't be jehovah's friend.. caleb puts back the lolly smiling, and runs along.. .

  hardly a gripping plot.

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  i was hoping it would be easter candy! glad i don't have to watch it now. What I love is the idealism the WT Corp depicts.

  ANIMATE THIS:

  Show us what Calebs mom and Dad would do if he DID steal the candy.

  Or, what about all the kids whose dads enjoy a cold one after work, don't conduct the Family Worship Night, have no interest JW's but are good men and good dads anyway...

  Or, When Caleb has sold a vehicle and encourages the buyer to write whatever he wants on the Bill of sale to avoid taxes...

  And, just for illness sake, How the animators capture the slack jaws of disbelief on Caleb's parents faces when the "two witness rule" is explained to them, then told not to contact the athorities or they can be disciplined for "slander"...

  sorry cedars. just feeling ranty
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  2013 DC new releases - rumors ???

  by obarac in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is rumors that in this years dc nwt will be released and also new tracts.

  any other rumors about new releases?.

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  After reading a scripture at the door the guy reached for my Bible, asking what translation it was. I handed it to him and told him it was the New World Translation. Then parroted what I'd been taught at Pioneer School...'Modern day translation from the Biblia Hebraica and Greek Septuagint...blah blah blah..." He thumbed through it, checked a few scriptures and the forward. All he said was, 'This is modern day translation? From the 1950's? 9 out of 10 people will have no idea what fornication means.'

  Of course, he was wrong and I was right (because I had the Truth!)

  Will be interesting to see the changes.
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  Discussion with family member who is an Elder in our congregation

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  2. experiences

  so about a week ago, i showed my cousin & her husband [an elder in our congregation] the picture on pg 29 of our 4/15/2013 study wt and asked, "if jesus is head of the congregation then where is he?".

  after several minutes of searching, dead silence.. i then asked if they had heard the part on the 2012 summer district conv the part about "our spiritual mother, where the c.o said that "the bible by itself does not shine thru as life-giving truths just by itself.

  " they were shocked and said that i must have misheard it because that would be apostasy.

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  Preaching, as done by most Jehovah's Witnesses, is done to convince the "preachor" as much as the "preachee". They must constantly reinforce for themselves the statments they share so they continue to believe them.

  If a witness were to disconnect from the constant stream (the Spiritual Lifeline, ugh) for even a short time they would start doubting. They would see that "worldly people" are not wicked, just trying to make it in this world, and dealing with judgemental Christians doesn't help things at all. They would also see that their Religion is not that different than any other. They just think it is because they are told that all the time, reinforced by countless "experiences" that make Jehovah's Witnesses seem so great.

  The first 'wake up' call I had was in the ministry, with an elder. We walked through an apartment building and he commented repeatedly on how dirty the stairwells were and how they smelled horrible. When he started making comments about the kind of people who must live there (the very SOULS we were there to save, whatever.) I got really embarrassed and asked him to lower his voice ( this dude loves to hear himself talk.) Same thing happened not too long after that in a car group where they discussed the kind of people who live in trailer courts. The prejudice (pre-judgment) was gross. It made me think of times as a kid when I would hear Pioneers and Elders Wives say things like "They weren't interested. Hope I don't trip over thier dead bodies after armageddon..."

  What capped it was how they referred to the religious beliefs of those they preached to as "stupid"... Any witness who was openly treated that way by someone of another religion would cry about persecution and pat themselves on the back for being different enough to be persecuted....

  rant over.