Posts by FadeToBlack

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NINE REVERSALS IN JULY 15TH WATCHTOWER

by The Searcher in

here's what i scavenged from the most notable watchtower i've ever read.

it may be far more significant than many people realise!.

and before anyone whinges that one or two are 'old light', the fact remains that all of them are rejecting what was once 'inspired truth' from the revered fds, and disagreeing with any one of these (now current) falsehoods would have resulted in your "stoning to death" and shunning by all whom you loved.

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I really have mixed emotions about attending this particular set of studies. Perhaps I can make it through the first without standing up on a chair and screaming that this is all nonsense. Maybe not. If I do go, I will try to get a chair on the side so I can see most of the faces of the audience. I suspect that the elders will be well-prepared to answer during those uncomfortable moments when nobody raises their hands. A few of the other hard-core regulars can be counted-on to read back what is directly stated in the paragraph. I'm curious as to the mix of bobble-head agreement there will be compared to those who are just seeing the material for the first time (a large %) and having a WTF moment.

My wife has no idea what the overlapping generation thing is about and it is apparently not important to her. Perhaps this too will just fall into that category of 'deeper' things that we just can't understand (right away). Then we will have follow-up demos at the CA with a young MS admitting to an elder that he is a bit confused about it. The elder will just put his hand on his shoulder and tell him not to worry about it and just trust the GB.

Might be a good time to plan a stumbled exit to the door.

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STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH! Possible shift in position from the WTBTS on the global vs local deluge.

by marmot in

a buddy of mine recently sent me a link to the official wtbts facebook page and i thought what the hey, let's see what they have to say about the question that made me fade in the first place.

much to my surprise, they answered!

you may already be aware that the general position of jehovah's witnesses is briefly stated here:.

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Funny that they never site the account in Luke: from online NWT:

Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man: 27 they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage, until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the flood arrived and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building. 29 But on the day that Lot came out of Sod′om it rained fire and sulphur from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 The same way it will be on that day when the Son of man is to be revealed.

Sounds pretty local to me: parallel language

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STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH! Possible shift in position from the WTBTS on the global vs local deluge.

by marmot in

a buddy of mine recently sent me a link to the official wtbts facebook page and i thought what the hey, let's see what they have to say about the question that made me fade in the first place.

much to my surprise, they answered!

you may already be aware that the general position of jehovah's witnesses is briefly stated here:.

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Ok. Great. So when did these scientists say this occurred? When did this "One such flood' occur?

Geologists studying the landscape of the northwestern United States believe that as many as 100 ancient catastrophic floods once washed over the area. One such flood is said to have roared through the region with a wall of water 2,000 feet [600 m] high, traveling at 65 miles an hour [105 km/hr]—a flood of 500 cubic miles [2,000 cu km] of water, weighing more than two trillion tons. Similar findings have led other scientists to believe that a global flood is a distinct possibility.

I'm pretty sure that all kinds of stuff happened in earth's history that nobody was around to witness.

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Why do the GB need a new Bethel compound if the end is so close? Here is the "official" answer

by sir82 in

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as most of us know, the society is spending 10's of millions of dollars on a giant, state of the art, secluded bunker country club headquarters in very remote, isolated warwick ny.. the question that "some" have is, why?

if armageddon is coming "very soon", why go to all that time & effort & expense?

why have thousands of jws dedicating their time to this massive effort instead of the "lifesaving ministry"?.

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Without doubt, once they are setup, they will invite all the friends from NYC (at least from Brooklyn) to come up to the farm for their safety (not). Soon after, other witnesses will be invited. They will probably begin to buy surrounding farmland. The walled city project will have begun. A two-tier system will appear with the Bethel family calling the shots( nothing new. They are entitled) . Everyone outside the compund gets to plant potatoes (which are delivered to the compound for storage). I picture them easily being overrun WTSHTF. Can anyone picture Splane doing hand-to-hand combat with the zombies? I didn't think so...

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How can I stop hating the JW religion?

by marriedtoajw in

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having this spiritual division between my wife and i over the years has been very draining in many ways.

so much so that i find myself more and more hating everything having to do with the wtbts especially when i just see watchtower literature.

i've kind of always felt that way but it's getting worst.

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You could also try 'studying' the upcoming WT study article highlighting your questions and issues with what is said. Then leave it open on the kitchen table next to her Daily Text. Ask her to explain what it means. Occasionally you can put an older WT next to it that states something contradictory and then ask which is it. You don't need too go far back. You will find find lots of differences between WT study material and public version.

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Proof of Noah's Flood - Presently watching a Documentary about Europe & the Ice Age

by *lost* in

first time i ever heard anyone say there was 'proof' of noah's flood.. very interesting,.

showed a trawler, where the team dredges regularly in the north sea - for animal bones, massive land animal bones, mammoths.. he said, originally, the bones were sent for analysis, and the dr stated, they were proof of noah's flood.. the north sea area was a land mass of dry grazing lands.

and it was very similar to africa.. many bones were found in london, of lions, hippos, etc ... when they were digging out the underground.. .

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@2+2=5: I'm just trying to approach it from a different angle to discredit the WTS. Let's just assume the account as described is true (which I don't). Could it have happened in 2370BC as the WTS teaches? If we can get someone to at least agree that this doesn't make any sense, perhaps they will start to question other things the WTS teaches/promotes.

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Wouldn't it just makes sense for GOD to...

by confusedandalone in

just one day perform some form of miracle in front of the entire earth in which he proves he exists???.

wouldn't this be the most loving and sensible thing to do?

for instance, this coming thursday god repeatedly strikes mount kilamanjaro to the point that it reads in hebrew, "god exists, i just did this.

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@Seraphim23: let's just hope that it is not the God of the Hebrew scriptures/OT - the God of Armies.

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Proof of Noah's Flood - Presently watching a Documentary about Europe & the Ice Age

by *lost* in

first time i ever heard anyone say there was 'proof' of noah's flood.. very interesting,.

showed a trawler, where the team dredges regularly in the north sea - for animal bones, massive land animal bones, mammoths.. he said, originally, the bones were sent for analysis, and the dr stated, they were proof of noah's flood.. the north sea area was a land mass of dry grazing lands.

and it was very similar to africa.. many bones were found in london, of lions, hippos, etc ... when they were digging out the underground.. .

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@BOTH: sorry again. I didn't want to suggest that 'experminental' sounds like unqualified of uncredentialed. If you mean you are a history buff or interested in archeology, that's great. If I had a chance to do it all over again, I would probably choose either archeology or linguistics. Peace. If I told you I was an 'experimental' gynecologist what would you conclude? Perhaps 'experimental' was a bad choice of words and you meant: amateur. Nothing wrong with that.

Could I ask if English is your native language?

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THE DC Hotel List

by tresdecu in

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so tonight finally had to make a decision about the dc.

we missed saturday and sunday of the one we were assigned to.

i was going to convieniently try to forget (been working most saturdays last few months) but she persisted tonight.

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@Crazycate: even if there was no gas available, couldn't they walk or ride bikes like the friends in Africa and South America that have to cross rivers and walk thru the jungle for hours? I agree with your original premise: it would be much better if they could just be open and honest about things in general. Isn't that what adults are supposed to do?

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My first experience at KH

by InChristAlone in

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thank you to all of you who commented yesterday.

no doubt you gave me an accurate description of what to expect.

when i first walked in, i was greeted by the jw who calls on my house.

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Thanks for the update. At least you went with an open mind.