Posts by safe4kids

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Haunted

by Ghost of Esmeralda in

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haunted still, after all this time.

most of the time, i am able to separate who i am today from who i was five years ago.

soon, it'll be the five year anniversary of my disfellowshipping.

safe4kids

Dear (((((((Essie)))))))

I'm glad to see you back, although your post made me hurt for you. There are so many things zinging around my head right now, but one thing in particular I wanted to address:

I've immersed myself in doing charity work for the benefit of others as much as my health will allow, and I find it more fulfilling than anything I ever did to 'save the world" as a JW. But I wonder sometimes if I drive myself so hard to do so much for everyone else to prevent me from being alone with myself, or to try to convince myself that I'm not the horrible, immoral person they think I am? That I am not unredeemably evil?

First, I think that you immerse yourself in charity work because you are a good person. Having come to know you somewhat over the last year or so, I feel assured that my comment is true. I understand the pain and loss...I received a letter (I may have shared this with you before) from the child of my heart, my nephew John, who was special to me as your niece was (is) to you. In the letter he stated that he no longer considers me his aunt and wants nothing more to do with me...I carry the hope in my heart that someday the bond he and I shared will win out...when he needs me, he'll know where to come. But yeah, it hurt. (And you're right, that type of bond takes nothing away from the others...I have three wonderful nephews who enrich my life and are equally as special and unique to me).

Secondly, I can totally relate to the desire to prove yourself to yourself...just remember, please, my dear friend, that others see the good in you, that self-doubt is the weapon of choice the JW's would have you wield, and that your daughter and your husband (the people who know you BEST) see the wonderful qualities that you have and love you dearly for them. Your friends see them as well, but if you're like me, you'll tend to make allowances for the "blindness" of your friends .

Finally, I apologize for not being around much lately. Life has been happening to me (izzat good or bad??) and I've been neglectful. I'm really glad to see you back here again, and remember...venting is a good thing!

Love,

Dana

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To Larc

by safe4kids in

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hi carl,.

simon has locked the original thread; hence, i cannot reply there.

what i wanted to say to you is this, and yes, while i could have sent this to you privately, my earlier comments were public and so i thought it fitting to make these in public as well:.

safe4kids

Hi Carl,

Simon has locked the original thread; hence, I cannot reply there. What i wanted to say to you is this, and yes, while I could have sent this to you privately, my earlier comments were public and so I thought it fitting to make these in public as well:

It is not in my nature to insult people nor to cause pain of any kind. If my comments to you did so (and it seems they did), then I apologize to you. No conditions, hey? In the interests of not keeping something going that is fraught with the potential for misunderstandings and anger, I'll keep further thoughts to private messaging, assuming that you're amenable to discourse because I do have some questions for you. Sooooo...whaddya say?

Dana

Edited to take out what I realized after re-reading sounded like a backhanded slam and also to say that if you would prefer to let things lie as they are, no worries.

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WHY DONT MORE BLACK @ OTHER NATIONALITYS POST ON THIS BOARD

by nightwarrior in

not being racist in any way but i dont see any photos of black or spanish gatherings posting on the board , what is the reason for this yes if i bring out controvesy then feel free ,sorry no ime not racist,as i am from mixed parentage ,or dont other nationalitys feel the need to heal themselves after the borg have they been so dissasimilated that they dont trust anyone else,come out from behind your masks and reveal the real you.

safe4kids

When addressing an issue why don't you address me directly

Ok Larc,

You have a point. So... I found your comments to Stinky extremely insulting, vulgar and rude as well as condescending and arrogant. I also find it interesting that you can take me to task after posting some of the things that you have in this thread; is that not a bit of the pot calling the kettle black? And please enlighten me...is it a sign of intelligence or a lack thereof when one resorts to swearing and personal attacks when attempting to get her or his point across? Coz if so, I reckon you and I both might need to take yet another one of them there intellimagence tests

Ozzie,

Yep, and you were right. I'm thinking it's time for me to bow out of this debate, as nothing can really be accomplished, IMO. I'm also wondering where the moderation is? Not a slam, btw...but I am still confused as to what is allowable and what isn't.

Dana

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WHY DONT MORE BLACK @ OTHER NATIONALITYS POST ON THIS BOARD

by nightwarrior in

not being racist in any way but i dont see any photos of black or spanish gatherings posting on the board , what is the reason for this yes if i bring out controvesy then feel free ,sorry no ime not racist,as i am from mixed parentage ,or dont other nationalitys feel the need to heal themselves after the borg have they been so dissasimilated that they dont trust anyone else,come out from behind your masks and reveal the real you.

safe4kids

Alan,

I appreciated your comments, altho I'm not sure I agree with you. Often, tho, I find myself attempting to suspend judgment and give people the benefit of the doubt. At this point, all I'm willing to do is suspend judgment.

Hey Stinky,

I hope that when you get to Florida, you'll drop me an email. I'm not that far from Orlando and would enjoy meeting up with you and your family. While I can appreciate the feeling of combating racism wherever it appears, and in whatever form it takes, I also think there are times when a person is merely beating her head against the proverbial brick wall. This seems to me to be one of those times. I just hope no one here bruises themselves in the process of attempting to reason with what appears to be an arrogant, condescending and stubborn man.

Dana

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WHY DONT MORE BLACK @ OTHER NATIONALITYS POST ON THIS BOARD

by nightwarrior in

not being racist in any way but i dont see any photos of black or spanish gatherings posting on the board , what is the reason for this yes if i bring out controvesy then feel free ,sorry no ime not racist,as i am from mixed parentage ,or dont other nationalitys feel the need to heal themselves after the borg have they been so dissasimilated that they dont trust anyone else,come out from behind your masks and reveal the real you.

safe4kids

Hi, (((Alan))) (it's Brenda writing still),

I guess I can't really argue with the Witnesses having made a real effort in the 70's to fully integrate Southern U.S. kingdom halls, because I lived in the North and wasn't very involved with the Witnesses at that time. (The JWs were just beginning to impinge on my world and the Kingdom Hall and Conventions I attended were very much integrated.) However, I did have an experience in field service once which made me realize how ignorant I was of the Society's views on Blacks: I was invited into a woman's living room and was asked to please explain to her why the Society, which claims to be God's one true organization and prides itself on unity and brotherhood, kept kingdom halls and assembly halls in the South segregated (although they did integrate the district conventions, they had separate sections, washrooms and fountains, according to her). I had no ready answer. No KMS school had ever tackled this objection that I knew of; I was a bit nonplussed. I told her that Witnesses likely were obeying the rules of the states and that I was sure that as soon as the laws were changed, the Kingdom Halls were integrated. Your information seems to back up this assumption of mine. But she may have been a secret apostate! ;) She asked me if the Witnesses believed in obeying God's law rather than men's. Of course, I said yes. And wasn't God impartial? Yes. So shouldn't Jehovah's Witnesses have "taken the lead" in making sure that all God's children worshipped together no matter what secular law was in the South? Well, she sure had me there! All that was left for me to do was to apologize to her on behalf of the Society if she had been stumbled by the Society's stand on the matter. (Thank GOD I didn't know about any of those STUPID quotes cited on page 1 of this thread!!!) I left red-faced and ashamed.

Larc,

I think Prisca and Lyin' are right in their characterization of the modern world view of Asians, including the American world view, although I realize that Chinamen were good for building railroads, and that's about it, at one point in our country's history. (I never realized the Chinese were pig farmers! My bad!)

The Jews are one of those cultures I was thinking of when I mentioned above that certain cultures place a premium on education. And your rundown of who scores highest to lowest in broad terms reflects, I think, the juxtaposition of the emphasis on education by the majority of humans of Asian / Jewish / Caucasian ethnicity with the primary cultural emphasis on basic needs of food, clothing, shelter (and urban survival despite drive by shootings, stray bullets, drug trade, high crime rates) by those humans who have been historically downtrodden, kept impoverished.

I am glad that AlanF cleared up that you weren't declaring Blacks to be inherently intellectually inferior. You weren't, right?

outnfree

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WHY DONT MORE BLACK @ OTHER NATIONALITYS POST ON THIS BOARD

by nightwarrior in

not being racist in any way but i dont see any photos of black or spanish gatherings posting on the board , what is the reason for this yes if i bring out controvesy then feel free ,sorry no ime not racist,as i am from mixed parentage ,or dont other nationalitys feel the need to heal themselves after the borg have they been so dissasimilated that they dont trust anyone else,come out from behind your masks and reveal the real you.

safe4kids

Larc,

Just to set things straight -- this has been outnfree posting using safe4kids' screen name. And I sincerely meant that I'd like to have you educate me, and the other "others" on this forum, by citing the works you have read which back up your outrageous statements.

I have been trying to keep an open mind since I left the Witnesses and actually opened it, but I do not wish any longer to take things as gospel without investigation.

Please give us a reading list.

(I didn't like your calling me "dear heart" in that snide way earlier, either, but I left it alone until now.)

outnfree

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WHY DONT MORE BLACK @ OTHER NATIONALITYS POST ON THIS BOARD

by nightwarrior in

not being racist in any way but i dont see any photos of black or spanish gatherings posting on the board , what is the reason for this yes if i bring out controvesy then feel free ,sorry no ime not racist,as i am from mixed parentage ,or dont other nationalitys feel the need to heal themselves after the borg have they been so dissasimilated that they dont trust anyone else,come out from behind your masks and reveal the real you.

safe4kids

I am sorely disappointed that you won't help educate me, Professor.

:(

out

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WHY DONT MORE BLACK @ OTHER NATIONALITYS POST ON THIS BOARD

by nightwarrior in

not being racist in any way but i dont see any photos of black or spanish gatherings posting on the board , what is the reason for this yes if i bring out controvesy then feel free ,sorry no ime not racist,as i am from mixed parentage ,or dont other nationalitys feel the need to heal themselves after the borg have they been so dissasimilated that they dont trust anyone else,come out from behind your masks and reveal the real you.

safe4kids

Well said, nilfun!

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NILFUN FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!

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WHY DONT MORE BLACK @ OTHER NATIONALITYS POST ON THIS BOARD

by nightwarrior in

not being racist in any way but i dont see any photos of black or spanish gatherings posting on the board , what is the reason for this yes if i bring out controvesy then feel free ,sorry no ime not racist,as i am from mixed parentage ,or dont other nationalitys feel the need to heal themselves after the borg have they been so dissasimilated that they dont trust anyone else,come out from behind your masks and reveal the real you.

safe4kids

larc,

I would surmise that Chinese- and other Asian-Americans do better at IQ tests because they study their asses off to succeed in this country. Like some other cultures I can think of, gaining knowledge and an education is a priority. Chinese and other Asian Americans likely focus in on Western Civilization where they know they are culturally disadvantaged, and added to their store of Eastern Wisdom, that makes for a more well-rounded test taker. Whereas many Black Americans have to focus on sheer survival as a priority (consider Maslow's hierarchy of needs).

So.

If you want to continue this conversation, I will show you and others, just how ill informed you are.

I'm one of the 'others' -- please do show me how ill-informed we are.

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WHY DONT MORE BLACK @ OTHER NATIONALITYS POST ON THIS BOARD

by nightwarrior in

not being racist in any way but i dont see any photos of black or spanish gatherings posting on the board , what is the reason for this yes if i bring out controvesy then feel free ,sorry no ime not racist,as i am from mixed parentage ,or dont other nationalitys feel the need to heal themselves after the borg have they been so dissasimilated that they dont trust anyone else,come out from behind your masks and reveal the real you.

safe4kids

this is outnfree posting using dana's s/n

CARL!!! I cannot believe what I'm reading from your pen! Those are the most seriously idiotic statements I have ever heard from you. IQ tests are culturally and educationally skewed and do NOT represent the reality of black vs. white vs. asian vs. any other kind of native intelligence. Just because non-whites have historically not been brought up in a culture that is European, Aryan and western, does not make them intellectually inferior in any way.

And just because you have black relatives does not mean you cannot have racist views, because even -- Horror! -- some Blacks are racists! Surprise!

I think there might be some research that would support my views if you cared enough to actually search it out. However, I must reluctantly agree with Venice that you sound quite condescending this evening.

I liked you better when you were telling corny JW jokes at the brewery.

outnfree