Posts by Xanthippe

since joining this site and having my eyes opened,i find i'm now dealing with a lot of emotions that were suppressed.one being the passing of loved ones,in the org we were discouraged from showing proper emotions due to the fact that if you did you were considered weak since they the dearly departed were only sleeping.now im being bombarded with dreams of my loved ones that i,due to my brainwashing never had the emotional release that i should have had.i'm just wondering how others on this site are coping,and dealing with the fact that everything we was taught was false almost as a way to keep up under control,as we lost years and decades of time.i almost wish i keep my head and the sand and had taken the blue pill.what has helped you all deal with this ...new religion......no religion...etc.

Xanthippe

20yearfader, hang in there, it gets better. After nearly 24 years out I can honestly say you do learn to cope with the whole mortality issue. I was thirty when I left and felt as though I had been given a death sentence with only about 40 years before it was carried out. That feeling faded and I just started enjoying all the freedom.

At first finding it was all rubbish is really hard but you will look back and realise how many things bothered you over the years and that you were not strange as others viewed you but you got it right which is why you are here on this forum. Just decide never to doubt yourself again. If something feels wrong it is because it is wrong. You made it, good for you

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I don`t mean to be a hypocrite when I wish you all a merry Xmas & a happy new year

by smiddy in

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i just see this celebration as a time when freinds and family have the opportunity to get together and enjoy each others company ,having a meal ,drinks , and social intercourse .. smiddy.

Xanthippe

Happy New Year to you Smiddy. Hope you had a happy Christmas time enjoying the company of family and friends, I know I did. I don't think you're a hypocrite. We take what we want from the world and leave what we don't. Those of us who are not Christians simply profess to be human and join in with human celebrations.

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Evidence of Supernatural Ability

by GromitSK in

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i would be interested to hear members' views on:.

a) what they would consider to be a supernatural ability and.

b) what they would consider sufficient evidence to convince them it was genuine.. (it's late here so if i don't participate for the next few hours don't think i cut and run :)).

Xanthippe

What do you mean what happened Cofty? Are you referring to the article you quoted yesterday from Wikipedia that was negative about him? Seriously, Wikipedia?

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Evidence of Supernatural Ability

by GromitSK in

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i would be interested to hear members' views on:.

a) what they would consider to be a supernatural ability and.

b) what they would consider sufficient evidence to convince them it was genuine.. (it's late here so if i don't participate for the next few hours don't think i cut and run :)).

Xanthippe

Cofty said of Charles Tart

'I assume it means that he has failed to publish a scientific paper in a peer reviewed journal.'

Information Transmission Under Conditions of Sensory Shielding, Charles T. Tart, Harold E Puthoff, Nature, 18.10.74

Information Transmission in Remote Viewing Experiments, Charles T. Tart, Harold E Puthoff, Russell Tara, , Nature, 13.3.80

Marijuana Intoxication : Common Experiences, Charles T.Tart, Nature, 23.5.70

More on Extrasensory Induction of Brain Waves , Charles T Tart, Science, 7.1.66

ESP Research, Charles T Tart, Science, 15.12.78

Is the Paranormal "Normal"?, Charles T Tart, Science,15.2.80

There are more on the websites for the Nature and Science journals. I just am too tired to type any more out. Just put Caharles Tart in the search box.

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Evidence of Supernatural Ability

by GromitSK in

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i would be interested to hear members' views on:.

a) what they would consider to be a supernatural ability and.

b) what they would consider sufficient evidence to convince them it was genuine.. (it's late here so if i don't participate for the next few hours don't think i cut and run :)).

Xanthippe

Gromit, had to get some sleep that's why I didn't reply.

You said @Xanthippe - I am not sure I would regard Wiki as an authoratative source. I have seen comments on there that I know to be incorrect in the past. It might be worth checking if Tart has rebutted any of the criticisms directly. Though this too will take us off into the wilderness potentially.

I wasn't quoting Wiki as an authorative text. Cofty was. I was replying to his quote from Wiki.

I have replied directly to your questions, I just haven't put them in to a two answer formula.

I will rectify that now for you. You asked:-

1) What would you consider to be supernatural?

I would consider telepathy to be 'supernatural'. Although all physical phenomena seems 'supernatural' or at the very least weird without evidence, eg have you seen a Higgs-Boson particle?

2) What would satisfy me it is genuine?

I would require evidence that a psychic is reading my mind. Specific names. Specific facts. Not generalisations. That they wouldn't fish for information from me but give me the facts. Why, because this would show that there is more to mind than brain. That without speech or written words information is being transferred.

Gromit, if you look back this is what I have discussed from my first post on this thread.

So, Gromit, why do you ask? If that is not off topic or going in to the wilderness.

If I don't reply it is because I am going to work shortly.

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Evidence of Supernatural Ability

by GromitSK in

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friends

i would be interested to hear members' views on:.

a) what they would consider to be a supernatural ability and.

b) what they would consider sufficient evidence to convince them it was genuine.. (it's late here so if i don't participate for the next few hours don't think i cut and run :)).

Xanthippe

Cofty, I looked up your Wiki quote.

'What Tart claims is contradictory and the scientific community have not taken his ideas seriously. If psi is non-physical then it would be metaphysical and outside of the realm of empirical science to study. Tart is one of those parapsychologists who misuses science to try and appeal to a wider audience and sell more copies of his books.'

This is what is odd because Tart has found ways to study what people label as paranormal and he has done it empirically. This wikipedia contributor says that the scientific community have not taken his ideas seriously. What does that mean? I assume it means that no one wants to try and reproduce his experiments and put their reputation and funding on the line. So he/she has come to the conclusion that Tart is trying to sell lots of books. Interesting opinion.