Slightly off topic, but I just wondered if you are still an elder Sir82? Just looked at your bio note. You said ten years ago you were an elder and staying in for your wife. Just curious, no big deal. I have a brother who is an elder and I often wonder if he is staying in for his wife who is also a 'born in'.
Xanthippe
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"Laughter trumps fear every time" - another method to chip away at WT's authority?
by sir82 insaw this article on slate.. it got me thinking - the wts are certainly providing lots of ammunition for spoofing.
talks about tight pants, singing trolleys, rubber faced buffoonery from lett...... what if we start encouraging jws to laugh at their leadership, instead of kowtowing in reverential awe?.
from the article:.
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How many JWs really believe the end will come "soon"?
by BU2B inthis topic has been on my mind lately.
i have been looking around at jws and wondering how many truly believe the end is as near as they are told.
from my personal experience, i know that my parents fully believe the end is imminent and may come any time now.
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A JW friend of my husbands started writing to me out of the blue after we were out for many years. She said last year her husband, who has glaucoma, should have gone to the hospital for an eye test and the appointment didn't come through when they expected it. So what did they do, nothing. They just left it, didn't contact the hospital. They were 'busy'. Now he has almost gone blind in one eye.
I used to take my father to the hospital for his glaucoma tests, we never missed an appointment! I couldn't believe what she wrote. They are working away on a new KH and also putting up workers in their home, and both having to earn a living after sixty. Sounds exhausting but I would say anyone who missed hospital appointments when they could go blind really believes in the end coming "soon" and thinks working for the WTS is more important than their health.
I said as much to her when I wrote about the convention talk last summer some guys posted on here. It said they have to put the Kingdom first and food, family and health must come second. Looks like they are following that advice.
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Approached by a young JW on the street
by StarTrekAngel injust a quick line, since this is the first time it happens to me and i could now see with my very own eyes.
the scene went like this, on the outside of a large store.. truck stops and a young boy, about 16, no more than 18 years old walks out.
comes up to me, pulls out a track and says.
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Does everyone here know they are on record with JW's forever?
by runForever inrichard ashe a full-time special servant of the order of jehovah's witnesses testified in the lopez case that every single disfellowshipping and disassociation and other things have all been scanned in 2011 and are and will be on permanent record with jw's forever.
is this legal?
another completely ironic and warped thing is the disfellowshipping form is called the s77 form.
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Dear xanthippe, no , he simply had got fed up by the time he got his stuff back, with the whole fight the WT/JW Org bit, and as I say, wanted to just cut all ties, even mentally.
I say more power to him, he is now just a normal bloke, getting on with life.
One thing it brought home to me was the weakness of the D.P Law, although they sent back all that they wanted to, there is no proof they still do not hold copies of those documents ( not that they matter in fact), and they simply did not acknowledge the existence of the more sensitive stuff, S77 etc, and there is no easy way to get them to do so.
As you say, it would be possible to pursue it with Legal help, but again, would they actually destroy copies of files ? who would check up ?Yes I don't blame him wanting to put the whole WTS nonsense behind him and move on. I suppose a person who did want to follow it up could get their solicitor to write a letter stating that as there were over a hundred witnesses to the statement being read out in the KH then the written copy of the S77 form obviously exists and should be forwarded forthwith etc etc. Headquarters would not know who would be willing to speak up out of those who were present at the announcement would they?
Interesting that they deliberately withheld the form. Shows they are worried about the whole disfellowshipping thing doesn't it?
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God does exist here is my nonbiblical reason:
by Curious Kitten in(before you read i hope no one gets offended by the word retarted...that s how i thought when i was 13)my mom and dad are divorced and my father never helped my mother on raising us, so basically she was a single-mother.
he just abandoned my three brothers and me and my mother had to work two jobs all of the time so we never got to see her.
when we did see her it was after school, but all she did was yell at us, make food, and leave to her next job.
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Drugs, when properly used, are awesome. This is not an example of proper use.
Oh do expand on this statement please Viviane.
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Does everyone here know they are on record with JW's forever?
by runForever inrichard ashe a full-time special servant of the order of jehovah's witnesses testified in the lopez case that every single disfellowshipping and disassociation and other things have all been scanned in 2011 and are and will be on permanent record with jw's forever.
is this legal?
another completely ironic and warped thing is the disfellowshipping form is called the s77 form.
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Dera Xanthippe, you are right about the Data Protection Act, the only problem is that it has no teeth if they appear to comply.
A friend of mine sent off for his stuff, and got back quite a lot of Info, including even the confidential Report done on him whilst at Ministerial Servants School, he got great marks ! but what they did not divulge or return, or even acknowledge having, was the S77 Disfellowshipping form, or any other info. they may have had about his J.C.
This info. which in years to come could be quite damaging to a person, they obviously intend to keep in perpetuity, and in defiance of the Law. - PhizzyDid he ask a solicitor if he could do anything else Phizzy?
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what are the necessary/more important things?
by sowhatnow ini always wondered what exactly they were.
now i cant find the right scripture, but its not those spoken of in acts.
15 vs 29, maybe it was the more important things?
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John_Mann shows how WTS does it. Cherry pick the parts of whatever verses you like. Add a few...... And hey presto this is the solemn word of god. Lol.
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what are the necessary/more important things?
by sowhatnow ini always wondered what exactly they were.
now i cant find the right scripture, but its not those spoken of in acts.
15 vs 29, maybe it was the more important things?
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Does everyone here know they are on record with JW's forever?
by runForever inrichard ashe a full-time special servant of the order of jehovah's witnesses testified in the lopez case that every single disfellowshipping and disassociation and other things have all been scanned in 2011 and are and will be on permanent record with jw's forever.
is this legal?
another completely ironic and warped thing is the disfellowshipping form is called the s77 form.
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In the UK we have strict laws on Data protection. You can use the link below if you are in the UK and want to find what data the WTs has on you.
Data protection
There is stronger legal protection for more sensitive information such as
- ethnic background
- political opinions
- religious beliefs
- health
- sexual health
- criminal records
https://www.gov.uk/data-protection/find-out-what-data-an-organisation-has-about-you
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God does exist here is my nonbiblical reason:
by Curious Kitten in(before you read i hope no one gets offended by the word retarted...that s how i thought when i was 13)my mom and dad are divorced and my father never helped my mother on raising us, so basically she was a single-mother.
he just abandoned my three brothers and me and my mother had to work two jobs all of the time so we never got to see her.
when we did see her it was after school, but all she did was yell at us, make food, and leave to her next job.
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They said it was not God because he does not communicate with humans anymore. And I was like....??? Extremely confused because how then does he communicate with the JW leaders?
Hi Curious Kitten and welcome. The statement above from the JW you know proves how mixed up this religion is. They have no idea how their leaders are writing the literature. They just don't think about it even though they think they are being led by God. Please don't stay around this religion. I'm glad you're not going to get baptised
i hope you won't do drugs any more, you could have killed yourself. When you told friends at school that you don't have a dad, that God is your dad, it shows you are looking for love, as you said yourself in your post. Religions like the JWs love bomb new people to get them to join, then when they are baptised the love stops and they just keep beating you with all the endless rules and judgement.
Just keep away from drugs and find some friends who can show you genuine affection. Stick around there are some friendly people here.