Posts by Xanthippe

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Something tells me 1914...

by Monsieur in

after todays watchtower lesson, and the lessons coming, something tells me bigger and bigger new understandings are coming.

and that it will culminate with 1914. notice how jesus is now coming, and no longer already here.

the current understanding is both, he is here and hes also coming.

Monsieur I agree with you I think this is leading up to ditching 1914. People keep saying the GB can't drop 1914 because how can the religion carry on if they do that. The emerging Protestant churches said the Church of Rome was Babylon the Great because of its corruption and this signified the end of all things as described in Revelation. This didn't come true but those religions survived and are thriving. Now they believe their hope is in heaven. Somehow they changed their views radically and have kept going for 500 years.

JWs are just another Protestant religion who used the same old diatribe as Luther et al, let's get back to what the Bible really says, then we will find the truth. All the Protestant religions rejected a priesthood and advocated a personal relationship with God, just like the JWs. Most of them ended up with their own clergy elite and being told what to believe, just like the JWs. If all Protestant religions can prophecy the imminent fulfilment of Revelation and yet survive 500 years after its failure so can the JWs.

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Types and anti types

by Deltawave in

according the watchtower study of may 10th, it has been made clear no prophetic meaning should be given to a a scripture or passage unless the bible itself gives clear interpretation of it.

therefore daniel 7 especially gives it's fulfillment to nebuchadnezzar only.

no future kingdom or 2520year wait til 1914. no gentile times or "this generation".

Xanthippe

I think one day a few years from now they will quote these articles and say, but brothers we have said for a long time the Daniel prophecy only applied to Nebuchadnezzar. You brothers misunderstood that it had a second fulfillment. After all, they'll say, Jesus said nobody knows the day or the hour.

Then they'll say what my brother said when I challenged him in 1994 about it being 80 years since 1914, 'we are not serving Jehovah to a specific date we are serving Jehovah forever'.

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Types and anti types

by Deltawave in

according the watchtower study of may 10th, it has been made clear no prophetic meaning should be given to a a scripture or passage unless the bible itself gives clear interpretation of it.

therefore daniel 7 especially gives it's fulfillment to nebuchadnezzar only.

no future kingdom or 2520year wait til 1914. no gentile times or "this generation".

Xanthippe

This is the thread if you want to read it.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/240660005/todays-watchtower-study-from-feb-15th-jehovah-guides

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Types and anti types

by Deltawave in

according the watchtower study of may 10th, it has been made clear no prophetic meaning should be given to a a scripture or passage unless the bible itself gives clear interpretation of it.

therefore daniel 7 especially gives it's fulfillment to nebuchadnezzar only.

no future kingdom or 2520year wait til 1914. no gentile times or "this generation".

Xanthippe

Welcom Deltawave, good to have you here. I'm not surprised they didn't get it but many of us here did. They are trying to ditch the 1914 generation once and for all right under the noses of the brothers and sisters. I said this on a thread a few days ago about this Watchtower article,

This is all part of the move away from the end is coming one generation after 1914 I think. They now have been given a peaceful world to preach in for, oh maybe twenty or thirty more years, or even a hundred, depending how you overlap those generations.

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Seems very easy to leave now, why do people hesitate?

by Xanthippe in

when i see people on here saying they've looked on several sites before this one, jwfacts, jwstruggle, youtube, etc., and then they make friends here, sometimes meeting up with ex-jws, it seems incredibly easy compared to leaving in 1989. .

no internet, no amazon to find ex-jw books, no facebook to link up with ex-jw groups.

still people find it so hard to leave.

Xanthippe

I don't know how anyone could say it's easy to leave. It isn't! It's easy to see through the bullshit. It's easier to find TTAT. It's easier to acquire knowledge, to recognize you're in a cult, etc. But it is NOT easier to leave. It's just as hard and for one reason. Family

Well don't just read the thread title. I did explain that I was comparing it to leaving in 1989 with no internet. Those of us who left pre-internet were very isolated. We had the library as I said with CoC being the only book in it about JWs. Apart from that somehow we got hold of the paper newsletter Freeminds for which I am eternally grateful to Randy Watters. That was it.

I knew this would probably upset some people but I am not talking about those staying in for family. All the other reasons have amazed me over the years on here. I'm not ready. Where shall we go to? What about my social life? However, never an easy subject to broach but I think some of the answers have been really interesting and may help lurkers.

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Seems very easy to leave now, why do people hesitate?

by Xanthippe in

when i see people on here saying they've looked on several sites before this one, jwfacts, jwstruggle, youtube, etc., and then they make friends here, sometimes meeting up with ex-jws, it seems incredibly easy compared to leaving in 1989. .

no internet, no amazon to find ex-jw books, no facebook to link up with ex-jw groups.

still people find it so hard to leave.

Xanthippe

Great story thanks Phizzy. I've drawn closer to my non-JW cousin since leaving too after losing my entire JW family. Made a few friends who have been there for me through thick and thin. It does seem a huge wrench after having dozens of friends in the JWs but where are they now? True friends stick around no matter what.

Interesting thoughts from everyone, some I hadn't come across before.

Done4good yes the organisation plays on our nature as social creatures so self honesty becomes very expensive. Very true, how evil is that in the twenty-first century. It's positively medieval to make people choose between integrity and family.

So Simon it's easier to be 'less in' in some ways, less involved. Perhaps that makes it harder to leave.

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Seems very easy to leave now, why do people hesitate?

by Xanthippe in

when i see people on here saying they've looked on several sites before this one, jwfacts, jwstruggle, youtube, etc., and then they make friends here, sometimes meeting up with ex-jws, it seems incredibly easy compared to leaving in 1989. .

no internet, no amazon to find ex-jw books, no facebook to link up with ex-jw groups.

still people find it so hard to leave.

Xanthippe

Thanks for saying that Millie but I don't know about admirable, I just hate being lied to. Once I found I'd been lied to I thought how could God let this happen? My life was in ruins and he just didn't seem to be there anymore.

Blondie and Outlaw I think you are right in my case, my family would have shunned me for fading anyway. Some families are just prone to bearing grudges and being unforgiving.

Other people have a great family and want to get them out, perfectly understandable.

IMHO people should ask themselves if their family is really worth the pain of staying in the cult for years, not all families are.

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Seems very easy to leave now, why do people hesitate?

by Xanthippe in

when i see people on here saying they've looked on several sites before this one, jwfacts, jwstruggle, youtube, etc., and then they make friends here, sometimes meeting up with ex-jws, it seems incredibly easy compared to leaving in 1989. .

no internet, no amazon to find ex-jw books, no facebook to link up with ex-jw groups.

still people find it so hard to leave.

Xanthippe

Some because of family and work don't have as much time to research

Really with iPads? I had to go to the library and look in the 'religion' section. Thank god I found Crisis of Conscience there. Sat up reading until the early hours, how could you stop reading? True I didn't have any children at the time.

Yes I realise some stay in to get family out. Not all though, some say they are just not ready.

Millie, fascinating, tradition, insurance policy? Those things never even occurred to me when I found it was all false. We're all different of course, but we didn't have anywhere to go. As for feeling good, we felt terrible.

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Seems very easy to leave now, why do people hesitate?

by Xanthippe in

when i see people on here saying they've looked on several sites before this one, jwfacts, jwstruggle, youtube, etc., and then they make friends here, sometimes meeting up with ex-jws, it seems incredibly easy compared to leaving in 1989. .

no internet, no amazon to find ex-jw books, no facebook to link up with ex-jw groups.

still people find it so hard to leave.

Xanthippe

When I see people on here saying they've looked on several sites before this one, JWfacts, JWstruggle, youtube, etc., and then they make friends here, sometimes meeting up with ex-JWs, it seems incredibly easy compared to leaving in 1989.

No internet, no Amazon to find ex-JW books, no Facebook to link up with ex-JW groups. Still people find it so hard to leave. Just wondering why, not meant as a criticism.

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Waking up from the JW dream... The biggest loss for me, was the idea of justice.

by adjusted knowledge in

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being a jw you're able to ignore bad things to some level.

it's the lazy way of saying, "jehovah will deal with it soon".

but when i loss my faith, the biggest gut wrench was the idea that true justice was just an illusion.

Xanthippe

Facing reality is a hard thing to do.

Yes it is! This point cannot be emphasised enough. It's the reason religions like JWs exist, because reality is HARD. These religions scoop up all the adults who can't cope with the way the world really is and tell them a great big powerful person will make it all rainbows and cuddly lions soon. Then their children are raised in a fools paradise of pathetic lies.

The cruelest thing is that they prevent their followers seeing all the good things that volunteers and charities are doing to relieve suffering and tell them not to bother contributing to them which makes them feel even more helpless.

Only we can change this world, our family's experience and our own lives but the thing is there's rather a lot of us. People power, I totally believe in it, don't let this religion take away your power.