Scully I wanted to like your post five times over. I wholeheartedly agree that I couldn't have anything to do with that religion now because of its treatment of women. I couldn't allow my daughter to grow up believing that women are second class citizens. I can't tolerate sexism anymore and I'm certain my daughter wouldn't.
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Article: Why More Young Women Are Leaving Church [65% of JW members are women]
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://national.deseretnews.com/article/4645/why-more-young-women-are-leaving-church.html.
stock photo a kulicki .
faith compiled by massarah mikati sunday, may 31, 2015 why more young women are leaving church.
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Help with understanding
by Doltologist inplease take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.
ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.
things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.
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My comment was just a general one to highlight the fact that the 'proof' for the existence of jesus is nowhere near as strong as people think. In fact, its a bit flimsy, even at best.
Yes I agree very flimsy indeed.
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Help with understanding
by Doltologist inplease take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.
ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.
things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.
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The Tacitus reference was written in AD116
Sorry I was rushing my post because I had to go to work. I just quickly looked at the beginning of that chapter In my copy of Tacitus to see when it was written and 62-65 AD are the dates it gives but they are the dates that chapter covers, not when it was written.
The issue here is that they were not first-hand accounts. One was written 60 years after jesus' supposed death and the other a fully 83 years. So, what were the bases of these documents?
Yes that's what I said they are not primary sources, or first hand accounts as you put it. Tacitus is a secondary source, a history, based on research I presume. Who knows where he got his information from. I am not promoting Jesus as the son of God, I am an atheist. I was just answering your question about any historical basis for Jesus following on from Adjusted Knowledge telling you about Josephus. Certainly, in my opinion, not enough information to base a lifetime's decision to devote yourself to any religion. -
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Another "damned if they do/don't" Thread & the Perpetual Motion Machine
by DarioKehl ina few days ago, a jw apologist posted a thread with a similar title.
although he was defending their behavior, i've observed this cycle as well.
i have a different spin on it, though.. how often do you see posts from people who are upset that "no one even bothers to check in on me," only to read as many threads about "they keep calling & texting--why won't they leave me alone?
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So Dario if you miss people missing you at the KH perhaps you need to make a new support system outside the Borg. You are four years into your fade I think? How is it going with making new friends? It's natural to want people to care about us. We wouldn't be human if we didn't, but the comditional love is not something I miss. -
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Help with understanding
by Doltologist inplease take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.
ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.
things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.
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Regarding primary sources for an historical Jesus, Tacitus says Nero blamed the Christians for burning Rome and 'Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus'
The Annals, Book XV, chapter 44.
There's little else there in that 'chapter' which is actually a paragraph apart from Tacitus saying this 'mischievous superstition' (Christianity) spread to Rome. Also It was written in 62-65 AD so not even a primary source for Jesus. You can get a copy from Amazon and read it yourself.
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New to the site
by LexIsFree inmy name is alex.
i have been a reader/lurker of this site for over a year now.
first time i am posting.
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Welcome to the forum Alex. Wow you've been through a lot. I hope things are looking up for you now. Glad you are free of the cult. -
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The JW Family
by dubstepped inmaybe this is a bit obtuse, but see if you can follow me here and maybe throw in your own views.
as i see it, the organization as a whole is a family, and like most, it is dysfunctional.
you have the parents in those taking the lead (gb, elders, overseers, etc.
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I do see the JWs as a group of people who are dysfunctional in that they cannot function in the real world. Planet earth frightens them. They have built a dream of perfection in their minds. Perfect standards of behaviour that are impossible for anyone to live up to which make people ill in the attempt.
They want God to wave a wand and make the earth perfect, stop all the nasty things, make us all instantly happy. It's a silly childish dream which prevents them seeing that many really caring people are working hard to feed the hungry, provide clean water, protect children and look after the planet.
The leaders don't want the best for the congregations, they don't want the publishers to be happy, they want perfection. Perfectionism damages everyone. It's just not reality.
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and Moses came down the mountain on his....DUCATI
by snare&racket inworst day in the last ten years, was the day i hit 0.00 with one and a half years of university to go.
nobody to turn to, nobody to ask for help.
i was 32 and as an ex jw had two family members in contact with me.
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NEW EXJW BOOK By a former Pioneer
by Watchtower-Free innew exjw book by a former pioneer and she is a qualified psychotherapist and trainer specializing in issues of abuse and neglect.. http://www.amazon.com/gifts-men-responsibility-patricia-sadio/dp/1508919623/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1433092341&sr=1-5&keywords=gifts+in+men.
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A book by a Brit ex-JW, looks interesting. Thanks Watchtower Free. Might be that there's no kindle version yet because it was only published yesterday. -
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Disfellowship, Disassociate, or fade. What would you do different.
by John Aquila inhindsight: .
many times because of the shock of learning ttatt, a person loses it.
you want to scream and tell the whole world that the watchtower is a big lie.
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Sometimes I have regretted having DA'd and wished we'd faded. Then when I came on this site and read about the overlapping generations doctrine, I thought how could my brother, sisters and their families have swallowed that nonsense for twenty years!
What do I have in common with people that stupid? Would I want to be able to talk to them? What the heck would we talk about? Nothing that interests me that's for sure. Their brains must be mush.
Sorry if this sounds harsh but the things I've read on here have staggered me. There's no way I would stay with the crap the GB have rolled out the last few years.
Edited to say if you're young and growing up in this religion and have doubts I don't mean you're stupid. I'm talking about my family who have been in 50 - 60 years.