Doc, imagine if the OP had been something like 'what should be the role of black/Hispanic/Asian people in the congregation'. Then your reply would have been what, casual racism? I know you're only joking but casual sexism is difficult to understand if you're a man and have not been subject to it for decades in the cult.
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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?
by Old Navy inthe presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.
i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?
aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.
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As a JW how would you answer this if someone brought it up in the ministry?
by NikL inas a jw i pretty much just went along with what was taught from the platform i didn't do any real bible study.
as a result, now that i am out of the org.
i find scriptures that blow my mind.. i am not sure how i would have reacted if someone had pointed this out to me when i was a jw but now i can't believe i've never noticed this before.
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Sorry NikL I didn't mean to offend. I didn't understand from you OP that you are a Christian. I just thought you wanted to show your wife something that the JWs have missed in the Bible to help her escape the cult, I misunderstood.
Yes if there is a God I can easily imagine he could be several places at once like particle entanglement. Or that he could pop in and out of different places with his Holy Spirit like a virtual particle.
My beliefs have been fluid since I left the cult too. Fluid is good I would think. Once they solidify then what are we? Boring and running out of ideas.
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As a JW how would you answer this if someone brought it up in the ministry?
by NikL inas a jw i pretty much just went along with what was taught from the platform i didn't do any real bible study.
as a result, now that i am out of the org.
i find scriptures that blow my mind.. i am not sure how i would have reacted if someone had pointed this out to me when i was a jw but now i can't believe i've never noticed this before.
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NikL My question would be why do the Christian churches want to believe in a trinity? What's the appeal. My teacher at school who also ran the Christian debating society said it's like an ocean that can send waves into three bays. Same ocean, three different manifestations- or something. All very picturesque but what's the point? I wonder why they like this teaching, I suppose because I know all religious beliefs are man made. Thoughts?
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Is there a Creator who gives a s*** about you?
by DATA-DOG in....why your child died, or you have cancer, or lost friends to a mudslide, tsunami, car accident, flood, tornado, hurricane or senseless act of violence.
why your child was molested, or you were molested, or you were slandered by an elder, or boe, or the gb.
why children die of starvation everyday, why faithful xians die every day, some mauled by dogs in field circus.
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Is there a creator who gives a shit about you?
Yes!! You! You are the creator of your own reality. Everything you want in your life comes from you, positive or negative. Create your life. You are free now to enjoy it. Or not. It's all the same to me.
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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?
by Old Navy inthe presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.
i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?
aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.
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The lengths people go to in order to make the Bible not say what it so obviously says Tarting up patriarchal Scriptures to appear enlightened and in harmony with twenty-first century views on women sounds desperate - kind of like trying to defend a violent man's behaviour by playing around with the meaning of words. Why would you want to do that?
Why would we want to do that Steve2? It's rather like Cofty's excellent thread on blood transfusions where he showed in ancient Israel blood was not sacred in itself but in its sacrificial value to remove human sins and therefore there should be no ban on blood to save life because nobody dies when they donate blood.
Over many pages this was proved from scripture, using ideas that the JWs have just missed, or deliberately overlooked, e.g. animals that were already dead could be eaten even though they were full of blood, it being impossible to bleed an animal after it's been dead only a few minutes.
Precisely in this manner those of us who have been abused by this religion have been showing that in ancient Israel Deborah was a judge and prophetess, holding two of the highest jobs in the land. In early Christian times Phoebe was a deacon. Philips's four daughter's were prophetesses and so on.
Just as with blood issue threads we find it necessary to point out the inconsistency of the JWs in cherry picking the scriptures that suit them to prove their doctrines and missing glaring facts that women in Bible times were not silent at all.
Most of the other Protestant churches have taken these scriptures on board and decided that from a twenty-first century point of view Paul was inconsistent with many Bible accounts of the work of women and therefore they've appointed women priests in their churches. What I believe Old Navy was asking in his OP was, why haven't JWs done the same?
We may well ask!
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The Children Act: The Movie - By Ian McEwan and directed by Richard Eyre
by darkspilver inrichard eyre's film adaptation of ian mcewan's book the childen act has it's world premiere at the toronto international film festival in september 2017. the children act.
emma thompson and stanley tucci star in this adaptation of the novel by ian mcewan, about a high-court judge who finds personal and professional crises colliding when she is asked to rule in the case of a brilliant 18-year-old boy who is refusing the blood transfusion that would save his life.. adapted by booker prize–winning author ian mcewan from his own novel, this riveting drama stars two-time academy award winner emma thompson as a british high court judge tasked with making a decision that will speak to our most fraught questions regarding religious tolerance — and could mean life or death for an innocent young man.. judge fiona maye (emma thompson) is married to her work, which has become a problem for her husband, jack (stanley tucci), who announces that he wants to have an affair.
treating the matter more as an annoyance than a life-altering crisis, fiona kicks jack out and focuses on her current case.
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The Children Act: The Movie - By Ian McEwan and directed by Richard Eyre
by darkspilver inrichard eyre's film adaptation of ian mcewan's book the childen act has it's world premiere at the toronto international film festival in september 2017. the children act.
emma thompson and stanley tucci star in this adaptation of the novel by ian mcewan, about a high-court judge who finds personal and professional crises colliding when she is asked to rule in the case of a brilliant 18-year-old boy who is refusing the blood transfusion that would save his life.. adapted by booker prize–winning author ian mcewan from his own novel, this riveting drama stars two-time academy award winner emma thompson as a british high court judge tasked with making a decision that will speak to our most fraught questions regarding religious tolerance — and could mean life or death for an innocent young man.. judge fiona maye (emma thompson) is married to her work, which has become a problem for her husband, jack (stanley tucci), who announces that he wants to have an affair.
treating the matter more as an annoyance than a life-altering crisis, fiona kicks jack out and focuses on her current case.
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Ian McEwan likes to explore different professions in his novels. In Saturday it's a surgeon, in Solar it's a physicist and in Sweet Tooth the key characters are an MI5 operative and an author.
Interesting that he wanted to explore the life of a judge, I haven't read this one but it sounds fascinating. I suspect he was more interested in the ramifications of a judge coping with a difficult case than in JWs.
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Carts in Florence/pisa
by Phoebe ini have just had a holiday.
i don't get many so this was special.
i went to italy.
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Phoebe I'm so glad you enjoyed Italy, a beautiful country. I loved Florence and Pisa, and the Italian lakes in the north are amazing. When you leave the cult it's so good to see the world, whether it be churches or lakes and mountains.
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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?
by Old Navy inthe presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.
i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?
aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.
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the women who are oppressed in the WT are the wives of over-worked elders. They pay the price for other people's expectations too.
I know I was one of them. The difference is I was treated with no respect at all. No dick, no deference.
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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?
by Old Navy inthe presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.
i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?
aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.
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Well Old Navy after six hours only five people have posted on this thread and I think three of them are women. I doubt very much if this male- dominated forum cares about the role of women in JWs.
I found your link interesting, I had forgotten about Philip's four daughters who were prophetesses in Acts. I vaguely remember the WTS saying something about the gifts of prophecy, speaking in tongues etc that they had in the first century have now passed away so we don't have men or women with gifts of prophecy now. I think that's the limp argument they used to treat women as second class citizens.
As Diogenesister pointed out how can Paul's 'I do not permit a woman to speak' be applied to holding a microphone. For that matter how can it be applied to being a literature servant?