i had a friend and we always speculated on "new light" before it came out.
i was an elder then and he was housebound, but a non-judgemental person.
we had long discussed the growing number of anointed (in the 90's) and speculated how they would "new light" it away.
Sadly no. I remember phoning my ex-pioneer partner and friend of ten years about the new light that we couldn't study just the Bible with people anymore to ask what they said at her assembly and she rounded on me straight away, 'but it's from Jehovah!'
It took my husband seven years to realise something was wrong. My father-in-law said people who criticise elders end up being just like them. That was until they turned on him!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-48484017.
so more refugees in the english channel and a politician comes on the radio and says britain and france need to work together to end this crisis.
how do you end a crisis where so many people are swarming to rich countries to escape dire poverty or violence?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-48484017
So more refugees in the English Channel and a politician comes on the radio and says Britain and France need to work together to end this crisis.
How do you end a crisis where so many people are swarming to rich countries to escape dire poverty or violence? This is a global crisis.
These politicians are so glib, we need more barriers, more police, more soldiers. How about less starving, desperate people.
i'm trying to remember if these parties were a direct instruction from hq or if this was something on a local level.. i remember i attended at least 2 of these parties and we also would bring them gifts.
i saw them no different than a bday party (elevating someone to idolatry level).. if anyone else remembers these parties please let me know.
if there's a letter out there somewhere from hq that would be even better.
I hope you landed on your feet eventually and got out of credit card debt. LHG
Yes we did eventually but it was a hard slog with no qualifications or experience of full time work. We both did distance learning degrees and after a while we got good jobs.
As far as JWs thinking you were “rich” when in fact you weren’t must have been awful. That means people were jealous. When people are jealous and think you “have no problems”, they will never help you.
That's very insightful thank you.
i'm trying to remember if these parties were a direct instruction from hq or if this was something on a local level.. i remember i attended at least 2 of these parties and we also would bring them gifts.
i saw them no different than a bday party (elevating someone to idolatry level).. if anyone else remembers these parties please let me know.
if there's a letter out there somewhere from hq that would be even better.
XANTHIPPE: Unfortunately, there were a few pioneers that had an attitude of entitlement - LHG
Yes LongHairGal there was a missionary in my congregation who came back and expected everyone to furnish her apartment and do lots of work on it, and they did!
We on the other hand ended up in debt after leaving the cult, having had to use a credit card to survive. Part-time unskilled work didn't go very far but we didn't expect handouts and we certainly didn't get any.
Living in central UK with a husband who was from London I think the local congregation thought we were wealthy. They seemed to think his family supported us, which was ridiculous. We had other people around for meals more than they invited us!
i don't drive a 4 door car.
lol.
i go to a local christian church.
Drunken orgies, drugs, satanism, child sacrifice, the usual.
i'm trying to remember if these parties were a direct instruction from hq or if this was something on a local level.. i remember i attended at least 2 of these parties and we also would bring them gifts.
i saw them no different than a bday party (elevating someone to idolatry level).. if anyone else remembers these parties please let me know.
if there's a letter out there somewhere from hq that would be even better.
You had parties for pioneers?! I pioneered for ten years and never saw one. From what posters on here say some pioneers were horrible, expecting handouts, acting superior.
Pioneering seems to have a bad reputation generally on this forum. To me it just meant a lot of hard work door knocking and being very poor. Parties especially for us, in your dreams!
da haters need not apply - thanks for your support.
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Good for you! I da'd 30 years ago and am glad I did. No phone calls, no elder visits, free weekends, free evenings, discovered wine!
We had our lttle girl six years later and she had birthday parties, Christmas presents, dressed up for Halloween and had a normal childhood! When she was five I went back to work and we took her on foreign holidays with no bloody circuit overseer saying you need to give your time to the preaching work, those countries will still be there in the new system.
Congratulations on leaving fantasy land and joining the real world. Remember to have plenty of fun! You owe it to yourself for the wasted years!
i know a lady who says she feels demeaned if a man walks on the outside or opens a door for her or stands aside to let her pass.
i just think it's good manners.
being a gentleman has nothing to do with equality in my opinion..
It's all bollocks. -LUHE
Yes you're right, it's all bollocks and ovaries of course. It must have an evolutionary basis, sex being the strongest force between men and women.
The workplace dynamic has changed radically since women have started achieving the same level jobs as men. This is bound to have affected the sexual dynamic. I am not sure how, I don't know enough about evolution but I am sure the information is out there.
Not that all men resent powerful, over-achieving women, they don't. Some find it very sexy. Some marry women like this. It's in constant flux now that we have women executives, scientists and premiers of countries. It's all very interesting.
i know a lady who says she feels demeaned if a man walks on the outside or opens a door for her or stands aside to let her pass.
i just think it's good manners.
being a gentleman has nothing to do with equality in my opinion..
NB I still maintain female JWs are oppressed. Being told to stay with your violent spouse is oppression as far as I’m concerned. Being told your role is to be subservient is oppression as far as I’m concerned. No one will convince me otherwise.
Yeah Diogenesister I think many women, not all, in the cult had it rough. It seems the more you did, the more you got involved the worse it was. I think we all had it rough though, men and women.
This battle of the sexes, that this thread began with, what's it all about? Why are we always competing? The fact is we have all been hurt in the past by men, women, people, humans! Plus there's a couple of small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri I'm still annoyed with.
Let's just get over it. Move on!
i know a lady who says she feels demeaned if a man walks on the outside or opens a door for her or stands aside to let her pass.
i just think it's good manners.
being a gentleman has nothing to do with equality in my opinion..
Cofty I didn't realise it would bother you, people knowing you had asked for apologies on the forum. It doesn't bother me, it's LUHE who thinks we're pathetic for doing it.
Anyway I will let you get back to your squabble, eh I mean serious important discussion, with JWanswers.
