Posts by Xanthippe

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They are already in paradise

by Xanthippe in

do you remember going door to door and if you went to a beautifil home with a beautiful garden often the person with you would say -'these wont want to hear the message, they already have their paradise'?.

it seems to me that was what a lot of the message of the new system was about.

who wouldn't want to choose a beautiful part of the world and build your own house on it without paying for the land or building materials?.

Xanthippe

Oh yeah the vegetarian tigers!

I am trying to cast my mind back and I think the idea of the small holding miles away from anyone, particularly elders, was the only way I could reconcile the whole thing about the promises are still real, it's just that the org is so fucked up. Stupid really, my husband and I used to talk about having to wait on Jah even in the new system until maybe the end of the thousand years because of all these imperfect leaders and their bs.

I suppose slowly we were moving towards realising it was all crazy but we just couldn't face it straight away so we dreamt up this idea of paradise even with evil elders, but at a safe distance. My husband was an elder for four years before we left, by the way. That was how he knew what they were really like!

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They are already in paradise

by Xanthippe in

do you remember going door to door and if you went to a beautifil home with a beautiful garden often the person with you would say -'these wont want to hear the message, they already have their paradise'?.

it seems to me that was what a lot of the message of the new system was about.

who wouldn't want to choose a beautiful part of the world and build your own house on it without paying for the land or building materials?.

Xanthippe

Do you remember going door to door and if you went to a beautifil home with a beautiful garden often the person with you would say -'these wont want to hear the message, they already have their paradise'?

It seems to me that was what a lot of the message of the new system was about. Who wouldn't want to choose a beautiful part of the world and build your own house on it without paying for the land or building materials?

Also to go off at a tangent a bit I remember thinking we would have to find somewhere miles away from any elders, build up a small holding and be self sufficient. Keep away from all the sqabbling elders until Jesus sorted them all out. Maybe that would even take a thousand years. Do you remember thinking something similar?

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British former politician shunned by father because of religion

by Xanthippe in

i was reading in the guardian yesterday about edwina currie, former british mp and junior health minister in the eighties.. when she married out of the orthodox jewish faith her father refused to speak to her again (even though he was an atheist and used to go round to a friend's house for bacon butties).. her mother kept in touch and loved her grandchildren but her father would drive her mum to visit but stay in the car.

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just reminded me that i am not the only one to suffer from shunning due to relisgious differences.

Xanthippe

I was reading in the Guardian yesterday about Edwina Currie, former British MP and Junior Health Minister in the eighties.

When she married out of the orthodox Jewish faith her father refused to speak to her again (even though he was an atheist and used to go round to a friend's house for bacon butties).

Her mother kept in touch and loved her grandchildren but her father would drive her mum to visit but stay in the car.

Just reminded me that I am not the only one to suffer from shunning due to relisgious differences. It goes on in many religions.

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Will it ever be possible for this earth and it`s inhabitants to be free of any kind of religion ? Would you welcome it ?

by smiddy in

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friends

i know it`s certainly not going to happen in our time or even our childrens ,childrens time , but surely eventually, it must come about.. religion , all religion has been nothing but a curse on this planet , and humans will never reach their full potential until they eradicate all forms of religion .. of course the theists will insist their have been great acheivments in science, astronomy, the arts etc.

,to a large part by the educated religionists of their day , however the masses were deprived of such education .if the masses had received the education of the priveledged few religous scholars ,we may well have been enjoying a new golden age of enlightenment already.. note : i am talking about all religions of the world not just xians ,judaism, muslim ,etc.

but all religious persuasions.. just my 2 cents worth.

Xanthippe

Some humans do seem to need to worship as others here have mentioned. They worship soccer stars, TV and film personalities, deities. I don't understand the need to worship I must admit, and I never have.

When I believed in god I always thought I was having a relationship with a real person and the whole worship thing was incomprehensible to me.

I've since seen religion in an anthropological context. This is how humanity has developed. We couldn't understand why mountains erupted, why the earth shook, why it thundered, why people died, so we invented gods.

The anthropological argument suggests that as we find rational explanations for everything the need for religion will diminish.

However as others have stated some people need to worship so I am not not sure if this is true.

Ideally what we need is tolerance of all differing views so it doesn't matter if people want to believe something that is different to what I think, I will not insult them - or try to kill them.

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Need some help!!!!! URGENT

by sinis in

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friends

my wifes mother recently passed away, and it has devastated my wife.

the family, who are not witnesses, but out of respect for the deceased, and who was a jw, had the ceremony at the kingdum hell, which almost made me throw up... last time i ever step foot in that place.

i felt like a vampire on the threshold of a church, as i looked into the interior hall feeling my skin burn and start to smoke... anyways, as i have posted on here before a friend of my wife, has in the past, sent her (my wife) emails about going back to the kingdumb hell.

Xanthippe

May I make a suggestion as someone who has buried both my parents and my husband in the last eight years, sinis?

You say this 'friend' is talking to your wife about the resurrection and how your wife needs to go back to the KH to have the hope of seeing her Mum again.

Then perhaps you need to tackle the 'elephant in the room'?

In my experience when you have lost someone you dearly love you desperately want to talk about it and no-one wants to hear it! Especially bad at this are ex-JWs in my experience. I ended up with no-one to talk to about my husband's death which was terrible.

The whole thing about losing our belief seems to have made death a no-no in conversation. So perhaps you need to be the one to let her talk to you about how she feels about her mother dying instead of this friend. What you talk about is up to you and what you believe and is none of my business.

But I would strongly advise that you let her talk to you about her mother's death and not the borg member. Best of luck

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Wake up Reading list

by perfect1 in

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friends

hey everyone:.

i was wondering what books you read that helped you wake up from the wt hypnosis.

i havent read all that many myself- but i know coc is supposed to be a good one.. thanks!.

Xanthippe

Crisis of Conscience

The Naked Ape (very simplified look at evolution, now often criticised but it helped me enormously)

Plato, particularly Euthyphro,The Apology, Crito, Phaedo. Taught me that people were debating what it meant to be a good person 400 years before Jesus (plus they were also ostracising those they accused of corrupting others with their ideas!)

Families and how to survive them, Life and how to survive it by Robin Skynner and John Cleese. Taught me, among other things, that disfunctional people and families hang out together- sounded familiar.

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Appropritate and Inappropriate Prayers.

by jam in

Xanthippe

Cobalt, I'm so sorry you went through that. Can't think of anything helpful to say, just hugs to you

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What Are You Reading?

by zoiks in

jw
friends

ok, here's my current list:.

i just finished the greatest show on earth by richard dawkins, and am almost finished crisis of conscience by...some guy.. currently in hand, i have:.

the power of myth, joseph campbell and bill moyers.

Xanthippe

Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson

Just finished his Forty Signs of Rain

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Lots of Good News everybody!

by OneDayillBeFree in

you know one of the reasons why some witnesses decide to stay inside is to help others wake up and leave as well, and although this hasnt been exactly a goal of mine, it was something i'd ponder every now and again.

and we all know that it is not easy to get to jw's when they are fully mind controlled.

but i'd like to tell you guys what's been happening with brothers and sisters without the help of others who know ttatt.... so last night i got a phone call from a brother who's a good friend of mine whom i've talked about in the past here.