Posts by Xanthippe

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How do you feel about the expression "The Truth"?

by stuckinarut2 in

it's amazing how the expression "the truth" has become such an ingrained term used by witnesses.. "we have 'the truth'".

"is he 'in the truth'?".

most here have found out so many facts about the organisation, and felt the effects of being "gut-punched" as we realised these facts.. so how do you feel about the expression "the truth" now?.

Xanthippe

It's a weird expression. Possibly only used in a court of law when swearing in a witness. Scientists talk about theories, laws and evidence. Historians talk about primary source evidence. What the heck is truth? It's a religious term. We never stop learning about reality, so what is truth? What we know now until we learn we got it wrong.

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Can't do toasts

by Xanthippe in

i just phoned my cousin who's never been a jw.

last week she went with her son-in-law and my jw sister for a meal after planting a tree at her daughter's grave.

she said when my sister was dropped off at her house her husband said you do know she can't have toast.

Xanthippe

Doc don't know why I was so slow to realise all these hundreds of ridiculous rules are the sign of a cult.

Ding you're so right, making people so self righteous and weird by a strange lifestyle isolates all their friends and family when they join the religion and is a sure way to keep them trapped in a cult.

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Can't do toasts

by Xanthippe in

i just phoned my cousin who's never been a jw.

last week she went with her son-in-law and my jw sister for a meal after planting a tree at her daughter's grave.

she said when my sister was dropped off at her house her husband said you do know she can't have toast.

Xanthippe

Yes Listener he was fussing over her as if she's a child so my cousin said. It is lovely that my cousin wants us to get back together, it's just that my sister acts like I died.

I did drop her a note years ago after our parents died asking if she'd like to go for coffee but she had to consult her husband and he decided if might stumble someone. For 'stumble' read someone might tell the elders and he might lose his MS position.

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Can't do toasts

by Xanthippe in

i just phoned my cousin who's never been a jw.

last week she went with her son-in-law and my jw sister for a meal after planting a tree at her daughter's grave.

she said when my sister was dropped off at her house her husband said you do know she can't have toast.

Xanthippe

I just phoned my cousin who's never been a JW. Last week she went with her son-in-law and my JW sister for a meal after planting a tree at her daughter's grave. She said when my sister was dropped off at her house her husband said you do know she can't have toast. She knew my sister doesn't eat meat but she thought it was odd. Anyway he said no she can't do a toast when you go for a meal. Why on earth he thought they have a toast after visiting a grave I don't know.

Anyway my cousin thought this 'new' belief was really weird. I told her it has always been a no-no. We couldn't have a toast at our wedding. She thinks all theses rules are crazy. I told her the nonJW husband in a couple who came to my wedding gave us a present to be opened on our honeymoon. It was a piece of toast with a card saying 'a toast to the bride and groom'. I think now he was making a point that it was a silly belief and trying to make us realise we were in a cult. Wish we'd listened then.

My cousin says it's her dearest wish to see me and my sister get back together. Mine too.

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You Need to Heal

by TheLiberator in

it has been awhile since i posted.

but i wanted to say a few things that may help those recovering from the watchtower, especially if you have just discovered ttatt.

it is with humility that i come here to express these thoughts.

Xanthippe

Yes I agree no need to run into other belief systems. Catch up on childhood first, with holidays, horror films, family fun whatever we were denied. Otherwise we get stuck in the mindset of a child with a longing for fun and freedom.

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I'm Fed up and I can't take it anymore!

by MTSman in

i was born in four gen, been d.f.d.

for about eight years now.

my father had always been a true company man, although more times than i can count, he's always been floppy.

Xanthippe

My JW family drive me crazy too so I sympathise MTSman.

For once I agree with Nathan you know your situation best. You know the ins and outs of your parents' personalities and how best to treat them. There's only so much a person can stand and you may have reached your limit. Only you know.

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Odd choice of words

by Nevuela in

why is it that when a jw gives someone a magazine, they use the word "place" instead of "give"?

as in "i placed a magazine with him".

and why do regular door-to-door jws of no special rank refer to themselves as publishers?

Xanthippe

We asked for a contribution for the mags, which made us think the org. was making a loss, which was a lie.That's why they emphasised place not sell. Now I think they have to do it to continue as a tax exempt non-profit.

Why were we called publishers? We were supposed to be publishing the good news, whatever that ridiculous phrase means, but how appropriate for members of a publishing company.

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Were you aware of the shunning policy when becoming a JW

by UnshackleTheChains in

for those who became jws, were you fully aware of the societys cruel shunning policy whilst studying?

i absolutely had no idea such a policy existed until years later.

it really only hit home when reading the horrendous stories on the internet around 2002. .

Xanthippe

for the born in's, were you fully aware of the shunning policy and it's potential repercussions when you got baptised whilst young?

I knew about disfellowshipping because it's the one question I got wrong when the elder studied with me before my baptism at fifteen. All the other kids there got it right but I said it was for punishment, I just couldn't swallow the 'it's an act of love' nonsense.

So he went over it all again and asked if I understood now but I still saw it as punishment. They still let me get baptised!

When I left home at nineteen my friend in the new congregation, yeah I still went stupid me, was talking about a woman she know whose son was disfellowshipped and she'd said to him he was dead to her. Her own son! I was shocked, I think that was the first time the shunning sunk in. I knew then I could never do that to a child of mine.

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If this system goes on.

by karter in

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friends

i heard my hard out jw sister say that for the 1st time in many years and i'm hearing more and more jw's saying that.

years ago when i was in they talked about the new system coming any minute..

Xanthippe

If I live long enough I expect I'll be going to my brother and sisters funerals one day and the speaker in the KH will still be saying the new system is coming any day now. My mother thought we wouldn't go to school. I hope against hope they will realise before then it's all nonsense and we can be together again. Where there life there's hope.

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Jehovah God is Real

by TakeOffTheCrown in

there are many on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists; that he is not a real being.

but, he is as real as next breath you draw into your nostrils.. some of you say that there is no evidence that he exists.

yet, none of you can prove that he does not exits.. cofty, (you come to mind), i appreciate that you have stated, without reservation, that you do not believe that god exists.. yet, you cannot prove it.. hope in jehovah..

Xanthippe

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God hears your prayers as well as what you write on the internet. Think before you write.

This is what worries me about your God, TOTC, you think he will punish us because of what we write. Surely he's so busy running the universe and preparing to bring paradise earth that he doesn't care what we say on the Internet?

Perhaps if he's so good at reading online he should email his new light to the GB because they keep getting it wrong.