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Is America Evil?

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slavery... racisim... corporate greed... atom bombs used against civilians... 53 million aborted... a debt to be paid by generations yet to be born... an oubreak of child-offenders in public schools.... does anyone think america is evil?

or, does she have evil elements that ruin her brand as a great nation?.

**because i have been accused of all kinds of things, let me tell you my full agenda here: i am roman catholic.

Orthodox1

Slavery... Racisim... Corporate greed... Atom bombs used against civilians... 53 million aborted... A debt to be paid by generations yet to be born... An oubreak of child-offenders in public schools...

Does anyone think America is evil? Or, does she have evil elements that ruin her brand as a great nation?

**Because I have been accused of all kinds of things, let me tell you my full agenda here: I am Roman Catholic. The Church has been accused of everything but the common cold (but how can we truly know they didn't create it!!), and I am trying to get people to come around to the truth, that there is evil in all elements of society, religion, organizations, nations, etc., just as there are good in all of these. I am of the opinion that America is not evil, but has elements in her that undermine her, just as the Catholic Church (and most religions for that matter, including the JWs) stuggle with the same thing.**

I would like to avoid criticizing each other's religions and non-religions. I don't hope to convert anybody. I only want us to discuss America and our opinions about where she has been and where she is going, etc....Thoughts?

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I Believe Catholicism And Its Trappings Are Silly, Strange & Weird!!!

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my italian friend loves going to the "feasts" that occur in italy, boston or nyc.

these feasts feature a "saint" with dollar bills pinned around her and they parade the saint in a long procession and chant "viva (whomever)".

they are quite serious about this and are proud to talk about the past generations of observers who appreciated the events.

Orthodox1

Okay, so I can start a new thread, so it's not a total conspiracy! ;)

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I Believe Catholicism And Its Trappings Are Silly, Strange & Weird!!!

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my italian friend loves going to the "feasts" that occur in italy, boston or nyc.

these feasts feature a "saint" with dollar bills pinned around her and they parade the saint in a long procession and chant "viva (whomever)".

they are quite serious about this and are proud to talk about the past generations of observers who appreciated the events.

Orthodox1

When you make too much sense: jehovahs-witness.net silences you. See forum "What about History?" and notice that I have been deleted, or silenced. Here is the message I receieved, and my response:

Jgnat:

The picture of the dead fetus was offensive.

I understand that you are passionate about this subject, but this is the wrong way to broadcast interest.

Orthodox1:

Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. ~Aldous Huxley

Are we living in an age where truth is now offensive? Of all the hate, cursing, and slander on these forums, a picture of real truth and genocide is offensive?

I will respectfully disagree. You may administrate as you please, and permit and deny speech that what you will.

God bless,

-Travis

I also don't see a "Start New Thread" option anymore, so it appears I've struck a nerve. That's quite alright seeing I have my own websites I administrate, but I was hoping people here were open to truth in dialogue. Yes, I suppose I am whining. Hope to see you all around.

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I Believe Catholicism And Its Trappings Are Silly, Strange & Weird!!!

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my italian friend loves going to the "feasts" that occur in italy, boston or nyc.

these feasts feature a "saint" with dollar bills pinned around her and they parade the saint in a long procession and chant "viva (whomever)".

they are quite serious about this and are proud to talk about the past generations of observers who appreciated the events.

Orthodox1

rbih,

Finally, after accusing me of having an agenda, you finally admit you have one. Thank you for your honesty, though late in this discourse...

But I do admit, I feel it is very unloving and unChristian of me to encourage your anger, so I apologize and will let you have the last word. Though you will likely tell me you don't want my prayers, you're going to get them anyway, for you and your family. I hope you don't let some disagreeable, irritating bloggers such as myself and others you list, get the best of you; we're not worth the stress. We are only usernames that know how to push your buttons.

God bless and love you...

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I Believe Catholicism And Its Trappings Are Silly, Strange & Weird!!!

by minimus in

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friends

my italian friend loves going to the "feasts" that occur in italy, boston or nyc.

these feasts feature a "saint" with dollar bills pinned around her and they parade the saint in a long procession and chant "viva (whomever)".

they are quite serious about this and are proud to talk about the past generations of observers who appreciated the events.

Orthodox1

Wow, I come to meet you on some common ground and have been promoted from an asshole to a liar.

You assume to know me and my intentions, which is amazing. I can't say that I know much about you except for what you post here. If I judged you solely on what you post, I would come to a conclusion that I don't want to put here because I don't want to pretend that I know you.

Since you think you know me, let me give you some actual info about myself:

1) I think all people, from all walks of life and religions, have the same chances as I do to attain to the heaven I believe in.

2) I do not judge anyone; only our Blessed Lord can do so, and I would be a hypocrite to judge anyone since I am far from perfect (this you call fake humility, but you will say what you will say).

3) I do desire dialogue and debate over differences because I think we all have something to gain from one-another.

4) I am not a ninja. From the outset, I have let everyone know that I am Catholic. Why wouldn't I? Do you dare say that you are not biased and have to presuppositions coming onto these forums? You sound rather defensive about your own positions.

5) I truly do not hate, dislike, or want to ridicule anyone not like me. I don't think anyone are assholes or liars because they think a different way than me. I actually am very happy to live in a world where we are so different. Yes, I would love everyone to be Catholic, but I love everyone even though not everyone is Catholic. I know our Blessed Lord loves all, not just those who call themselves "Catholic", "Baptist", "Lutheran", "Muslim", "Jewish", etc., etc.

Basically, it comes down to this: I have two little ones. There is nothing that would cause me to not love them. Why in the world would anyone think God could hate any one of his creation? Certainly, one of my little ones could grow up, hate me, and never speak to me again, which is every person's free will to do with God as well. I am of the belief, in line with my Catholic faith, that it is not how one worships or the many things one does, but it is their love for God and their neighbor that will be rewarded. I believe the Catholic faith is the fullness of this love, but those who don't have it aren't somehow lesser beings.

Try harder rbih. You are far from being hated by me. In fact, the more you lash out at me and others, the more I feel for you and wish you well.

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I Believe Catholicism And Its Trappings Are Silly, Strange & Weird!!!

by minimus in

jw
friends

my italian friend loves going to the "feasts" that occur in italy, boston or nyc.

these feasts feature a "saint" with dollar bills pinned around her and they parade the saint in a long procession and chant "viva (whomever)".

they are quite serious about this and are proud to talk about the past generations of observers who appreciated the events.

Orthodox1

rbih,

if i'm honest, there are some things that make me leery, but i'd say that about every religion. there's some good and bad that can be had with 'em all.

as long as there's no physical harm (like killing innocent kids by refusing to let them have blood transfusions) or no mental harm (like...well...telling that child everyone he loves is gonna be gone in armageddon and that he should spend his youth preaching instead of going to college like he wants to, or play sports or have fun with the other kids) then it's whatever

.. Just wanted to finally agree with you about some things

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By What Authority?

by Orthodox1 in

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the jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.

i know jws call themselves the "true christians".

by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?

Orthodox1

would christ honestly give his blessing to the chrch that couldn't even get basic science right?

Roger Bacon, Franciscan Catholic, creator of the scientific method, adopted and use by Pope Clement IV and the Catholic Church... any of this sound familiar? No?

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By What Authority?

by Orthodox1 in

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the jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.

i know jws call themselves the "true christians".

by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?

Orthodox1

rather be in hades,

The sun revolving around the earth was a worthy theory until disproved. What's wrong with that? Just like, for instance, when people ever wake up to the reality that abortion is murder of an innocent human life. Wow! I would prefer to be wrong about the revolving sun than the non-life of 53 million aborted!

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I Believe Catholicism And Its Trappings Are Silly, Strange & Weird!!!

by minimus in

jw
friends

my italian friend loves going to the "feasts" that occur in italy, boston or nyc.

these feasts feature a "saint" with dollar bills pinned around her and they parade the saint in a long procession and chant "viva (whomever)".

they are quite serious about this and are proud to talk about the past generations of observers who appreciated the events.

Orthodox1

Cofty:

Orthodox1 - your apologetics of Roman Catholic child abuse is beneath contempt.

Did you read my post and the factual statistics? Did I not state that 1 abuse from the Church is 1 too many? Your hatred blinds you, and you have no response to support the evils done by secularism and others.You only want to hate those who love God fervently. How naive! You know nothing about what Pope John Paul II and Benedect XVI have done to weed out pedophiles (who come from our liberal, immoral culture who infiltrated the Church at the same time of the sexual revolution in the 60s and 70s, who go against Church doctrine). You only know so much becuase it was the work of our two most recent Popes to go prune these guys from our ranks.

You accuse me of apologizing for sex predators, yet I did no such thing in my post.

But it sounds to me, by you being tone-deft to the statistics I posted, YOU ARE EXCUSING EVERYONE ELSE BUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, WHEREAS I EXCUSE NO ONE.

God bless!

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By What Authority?

by Orthodox1 in

jw
friends

the jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.

i know jws call themselves the "true christians".

by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?

Orthodox1

Still here jgnat,

Was just waiting for the conversation to come back around to the topic. Thank you for giving me some of your perspective.

A JW would reply that the small group (narrow road, little flock) is evidence that they have the "truth".

Witnesses teach that Catholics became apostate as soon as they adopted the trinity doctrine. And yes, they grab the greatest saints through history as their own.

Wouldn't Christianity itself be the small road, seeing that it is about 1/3 of the earth's population? Couldn't the Catholic Church make the same statement as it is about 1/6 of the world's population?

I understand JWs teach the apostate, but what gives them the authority to teach it as a certain fact?

As far as "grabbing the greatest saints", I don't believe the Catholic Church did that... There are many thousands, but popular hundreds, of saints, and those who wrote devotionals or biographies were profoundly Catholic from Ignatius in 100 A.D. to Hillary, Iraneous, Augustine in the fourth century, Francis of Asisi, Theresa, Vincent de Paul, etc., etc.

Couldn't anyone say that they are the true church because the Catholic Church fell into apostacy when they adopted, for instance, the "dogs do not go to heaven" doctrine of the fourth century, therefore they are wrong, and we are right because we know dogs go to heaven? Silly argument, but can't anyone do that and proclaim themselves to be the true church wherever they disagree with the Catholic Church?

Thanks!