Posts by Marbles

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Anyone else remember the Awake saying this?

by BottanicPepper in

i may have put this in the wrong thread.

if so, i'm sorry.. my conundrum is this.... i am almost completely certain that an awake back in the 80's/90's mentioned a group of rock bands we shouldn't listen to and i seem to remember them actually naming guns and roses.. i can't find anything now, and i'm wondering if it's the mandela effect, or if it's another case of the cdrom versions of the awakes being doctored again.. does anyone else remember this?

or am i crazy?

Marbles

"Those names supposedly referred to the male and female sex organs, according to him."

Ironic. Did the Circuit Overseer also mention that a "garden" is symbolic for the womb, and the serpent is symbolic for the penis- in other words, male and female sexual organs?

It's all sexual fantasy, in my opinion, which is why religion seems to attract so many pervs. Many of these songs are in fact erotic passion and are influential. I don't think the solution is to ban them, though. It's to recognize them for erotic passion, and perhaps not confuse erotic passion with "love." Also, I think I mentioned somewhere on this forum that the Garden of Eden myth is just a plagiarized version of the Greek myth the Garden of Hespirides, in my opinion.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Marbles

The letter from the "lawyer" sounds like Lloyd is being scammed by Nigerian scammers he found on the internet, although I suppose the poor quality could be the result of a poor language translator. The incorrect lower case and capitalizations doesn't seem like a poor translator is the most likely possibility though. If poor Lloyd is now the victim of Nigerian scammers, now they will never leave him alone!

This was really a ridiculous letter that can't be respected. He seems to be moving from bad to worse.

The question of "jurisdiction" can be tricky in the age of modern internet where court hearings are regularly held online, especially during Covid. I am familiar with a recent case of a You Tuber named Karen Yax (also known as The Critical Kay) who is being sued for defamation by a woman named Rae Andreacchio (Andreacchio v. Yax). Yax lives in Michigan, and Andreacchio lives in another State (I can't remember which). Yax tried to get the case dismissed for lack of jurisdiction but it was rejected because Yax directed/targeted her alleged defamation into the State where Andreacchio lives. It is scheduled for trial next December.

It is strange how LE is now guilty of the same things he accuses the WTS of- covering up a sex scandal. As has been mentioned by others, even if the prostitutes were of the legal age of consent at the time he engaged with them, it is likely that they were under age at the time they entered the business. It would be equally strange if scammer Lloyd is being scammed. Sanitizing his comment section to allow his viewers to hear only what he has to say is what makes him a scammer. It's also what Dictators do. Our only choice is to do the hard work ourselves, not knowing the outcome, or submit to a Dictator.

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Watchtower publication says in Paradise we will fly around like Superman!!

by Witness 007 in

golden age aug 25th 1926 p.751 "negative gravitation...you may have wondered how accidents will be avoided in christ's kingdom, since we are told nothing will hurt or destroy.

scientist tell us there is enough atomic energy in one finger nail to propell a battleship.

the people of the future may carry some of this power with them.

Marbles

Honestly, (and I don't want to sound anti-semitic, because I'm not, the holocaust was real and despicable) paradise is a fantasy land where some Jewish fathers strangely envisioned a world where only Jewish people existed, or were favored by God, and anyone else was a slave. Paradise is probably a sexual fantasy, actually. If nothing else, it is probably a plagiarized myth from the Greek myth "Garden of Hespirides."

"Feminism," at least from my point of view, is "humanitarianism" without super-naturalism. The fact that snakes don't talk is just the beginning and the end of these fantasies. All women have the right to speak against being blamed for believing in talking snakes.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Marbles

"JLE is down to 660 patrons."

Oooooo, too bad you didn't get a screen shot when it was 666!

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One question to ask Lloyd Evans

by usualusername1 in

jw
friends

lloyd evans has a livestream and must answer all questions.

the only catch.

you can only ask one question plus a follow up.. my fave so far is would you want your daughter to marry a man who was unfaithful every few months with prostitutes.. what would you ask him?.

Marbles

"it makes you wonder whether your memories are even relevant for the younger folks"

That's a truly great statement that applies to those of us who are aging in many ways, not just the WT Society,

As for a question I would ask LE I would ask, "How long do you think you can fly over everyone's heads before you crash?" Until Kim he was "flying under the radar" but now he keeps trying to act "above it all" and he isn't. He is not advocating freedom from false religion, he is advocating sexual freedom. As Simon once stated, decency in marriage and family relationships is not limited to the expectations of the WT Society. Even as an apostate you are still held to similar standards of decency and lawfulness.

As for trying to shut everyone down who speaks against him, that is what dictators do. Someone could fairly do a documentary titled "The rise and Fall of Lloyd Evans," of "How Lloyd Evans Ruined His You Tube Career."

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Marbles

Now that this has happened, I have zero interest in watching his videos. When it first happened, I noticed he was not producing videos for 2-3 weeks and I thought, "what has happened to Lloyd Evans? Why is he not producing videos? Maybe he went on vacation? Why did he not produce a video saying he was going on vacation?" Because I watched him whenever he produced new content if it was something I would be interested in (as a former Bible student). So finally I checked the "community section" of his page and learned about his extra-curricular activities. At this point, I will no longer be seeking his videos out, or clicking if they appear in my recommended section. I'll only watch videos on this topic, none of his other stuff. At this point his videos are only for people who have been disfellowshipped for similar reasons and LE is going to lead them to sexual freedom, so he thinks. I guess that is his idea of "the truth will set you free."

Asking people (or "inviting" them, rather) to pay 6,000 before a Judge has even issued an Order requiring such payment is ridiculous. That's not how it works, and it looks like another scam of his to get the gullible to give him money.

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Where will the war in Ukraine lead to?

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

there has been comments in the news recently that the war in ukraine could be the beginning to the world war three.. i would not be surprised if it is.

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the bible says a time will come when the peace will be taken from the earth.. revelation 6:4 another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword.. have you heard what possibly this war in ukraine could lead to?.

Marbles

This is why, to some degree, many people support the Anonymous hacking group, because a war between hackers is better than a nuclear war. I pretty much supported Anonymous. Then I became the victim of identity theft. I don't think it was them. It happened right around the time Paige Thompson hacked Capitol One. Anyway, the problem with hoping for cyber war instead of nuclear war is that the Russians are pretty good hackers. That being the case, you would think Putin would have the decency just to use their hackers to shut off electricity or something.

I didn't catch the whole story on CNN but today Putin said to some sector of Ukraine, "Choose to live or live as slaves." Whatever that means. It sounds like typical white man's rage strikes again, but honestly, I dunno. I didn't hear what he was referring to specifically.

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Hi im df Nick in Arizona

by Nick-Arizona in

i'm from california.

i'm in arizona.

i was df twice.

Marbles

I can assure you, from the outside looking in, at least for me, it looks like quite a horror show. Among many things, as far as I am concerned, they have no business setting up their own bogus "Sanhedrin" (which I assume, is the "Judicial Committee"). They aren't even Jewish. From what little I have seen and heard about these disfellowshipping committees, so much of what they do would actually be illegal in a secular court.

Salvation is a false concept. I rescue cats. Only some of them can and will be saved, though I wish they could all have good homes and not become prey to other predators. It's no different for people, and I don't know why people have such grandiose ideas that an entire "Bible & Tract Society" will be saved. If a tornado or a tsunami ripped through any town populated by JDubs, some of them would be saved, some of them would be lost.

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Lloyd Evans, Philandering & Sex Slaves

by Marbles in

the argument made by le supporters that his philandering is "between him and his wife" is a fallacy.

philandering is a real social problem that affects many families (including mine).

it's pretty apparent now that le has been using his wife and his in-laws to boost his writing career, and now that he has achieved his goals, he will discard them.

Marbles

@dehek, good luck with your You Tube channel!

First of all, I do not believe the Bible is true, so you have not offended me. I was never a JW, only a Bible student. To be fair to Lloyd, really would require being unfair to myself, as a woman and CSA survivor. But there is such a thing as "extra care" and over compensation for people who have suffered the lies and indoctrination of a cult. For instance, JWs were encouraged not to get higher education (lots of people do live without it though) and not get higher paying jobs as a result.

Everyone needs to make a living, including Lloyd. This is not time for him (or anyone) to be screwing around with prostitutes, partying it up, etc. If I had a lot of money, as so many people do, I would be using it to care for the poor, suffering and needy, even a small colony of semi-feral cats living in a cold, desolate forest (which is what I am doing, actually). But he does need to make a living lest he become poor and destitute himself. He is skilled at what he does. But in light of the recent events, he is not really working for a good cause if he is spending his money on debauchery. The money needs to go to his household and family. Second, his reasons for his work seem wrong. It seems as if he is taking revenge on the Wt for kicking him out. They have evidence against him, so now he has evidence against them. It's like a game of chess between himself and the WTS. These are not right reasons. Men like him generally do not change, but if he wants to succeed, he has to change and understand the concept of "duty of care." Duty of care is what you do to care for someone who clearly needs you. And you do it for that reason alone, expecting absolutely nothing in return.

Being an outsider does not mean we have not suffered the ravages of the world, but I have to say, I am very hurt and sorry to see some of the things JWs are going through that are unique to them.

@shadowclone- yes you have taken the words right out of my mouth. Being a CSA survivor as an adult means something like facing death knowing you have never truly lived. It does feel that bad. This really does not seem fair to us.

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Lloyd Evans, Philandering & Sex Slaves

by Marbles in

the argument made by le supporters that his philandering is "between him and his wife" is a fallacy.

philandering is a real social problem that affects many families (including mine).

it's pretty apparent now that le has been using his wife and his in-laws to boost his writing career, and now that he has achieved his goals, he will discard them.

Marbles

I do agree. It's inappropriate for him to remain in the public pretending to be Christopher Hitchens. He does need to fade away. Sticking around only to shut people up and speak over them is not a good look.

"any reasonable person will conclude that he isn't that bad"

I think what you are referring to is the legal system would not punish him to the same degree as the criminals I mentioned, and I agree. Legally, though prostitution is a crime in both Croatia and Thailand, it does not rise to that level of bad. But he is a bad man for wanting to enslave women. Unregulated prostitution is sex slavery. (Regulated prostitution means, for instance like in the porn industry in the U.S. they have to take STD tests). It's a woman's issue, in a way. We abolished slavery for African Americans. Slavery for women needs to be abolished too. The Bible promotes both forms of slavery, though.

I have my own experience with rape, prostitution and child abuse (prostitutes get pregnant after all, children get neglected and abused- not saying my mom was a prostitute or anything...), but this is not the place for it. Surviving such an experience has a spectrum ranging all the way from maybe a date rape to someone who survives a rapist who intended to kill her/him but the victim escaped. By referring to Dahmer and the others I am only pointing out these men WANTED sex slaves. That's the only point I am trying to make about including those men. Sometimes high profile cases just make the issue more visible. I keep editing this and spending too much time on it when it is just an illustration of the desire for slaves. Okay okay you don't like my word art, I understand now.

But, speaking only for myself as a CSA survivor, I personally do not make much distinction between the bad men that you do, Simon. Monsters are monsters. BUT because of the law, I must. In other words, if my abuser got a year sentence instead of 10, I only accept it because I must, even though in my opinion he should be imprisoned for life just as I have been enslaved/imprisoned mentally to the issue my entire life. I've had to think about it my whole life, while he goes over my head and prostitutes along his merry way (actually he's dead now). Hope that makes sense.

ETA: Forgot to mention, no doubt his in-laws made sacrifices to keep their daughter safe in their home with this creep. Dijana's mother cried when she found out he was taking a trip to Thailand alone. Maybe they ran up their credit cards while he was broke, for instance, and they are now enslaved to their debt. It really doesn't have to be this way, and shouldn't be this way...except Lloyd thinks this is all okay. Only he thinks this is okay. Everyone else in the family is burdened with the daily tasks of life and maintaining the home while Lloyd goes...erm...scuba diving.