I was going to start a new post, inspired by this post, but instead I'll ask my question here. Wasn't Adam's sin destroyed with the supposed flood? If not, why not? How did everything become so corrupt again, or is the flood story just a cover up for publishing a big lie such as the Garden of Eden myth? Since false prophets can't seem to get this lie out of public circulation maybe they just create new lies in an attempt to abolish the original lie. The Garden of Eden is not a real place, never was, never will be. It could be a utopian ideal, something to aspire to if only in your own back yard, but that's all it really ever can be, I think. Anyways, to answer OPs question, I have to guess what Adam lost was his virginity.
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Governing Body NOT going to heaven!
by BoogerMan inthe jw memorial takes place in 5 weeks time, and kh meetings resume on april 1st.. the worldwide campaign for spectators will kick off soon, so here are 3 questions to help jw's see the org's myth that their g.b.
is going to be amongst a crowd of 144,001 melchizedek king/priests in heaven.. 1) a ransom only buys back what has been lost, so what exactly did adam lose?.
2) how can jesus' ransom correspond with what adam lost, if it buys back far more than what was lost?.
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How many of you remember the "Pioneer Shuffle " and the special "time reporting" of pioneers?
by Foolednomore ini started pioneering in my late teens an remember how slow pioneers would walk to the doors while out in circus.
also, they would not really talk to anybody at all.
they would start their time as soon as they got dressed an out the door, while us regular shucks started our time at the first door we knocked at.
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So irritating that they even call it pioneering. To my ears it is obvious they believe they are the pioneers for "the promised land" which is literally what many people coming over from Europe to America actually did believe, and who were the literal pioneers.
My neighbor is a JW. He took revenge on me for telling two JW's who came through my open gate to my cabin not to come back. He took revenge by abducting my free roaming indoor/outdoor much loved cat, and abandoning my cat in a middle of nowhere town 25 miles away. A lady posted him as found on Facebook so I was lucky to get him back. I really wanted to call his congregation and inform them, but I was pretty sure since there were no witnesses, much less two witnesses, that they wouldn't believe me. Instead I just had to send him a cease and desist letter informing him if he abducted my cat, or, by then, a mother cat with semi-ferals I was fostering I would seek an order of protection from him.
He has a huge warehouse of heavy equipment on his property, visible from my door. A real eye sore in a beautiful forest. The warehouse is full of heavy equipment for property development, though his own property is over grown brambles. It's my guess he has fantasies of Armageddon where everyone in the neighborhood will die and he can plow over the neighborhood and create his own personal paradise. -
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Anyone else remember the Awake saying this?
by BottanicPepper ini may have put this in the wrong thread.
if so, i'm sorry.. my conundrum is this.... i am almost completely certain that an awake back in the 80's/90's mentioned a group of rock bands we shouldn't listen to and i seem to remember them actually naming guns and roses.. i can't find anything now, and i'm wondering if it's the mandela effect, or if it's another case of the cdrom versions of the awakes being doctored again.. does anyone else remember this?
or am i crazy?
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"Those names supposedly referred to the male and female sex organs, according to him."
Ironic. Did the Circuit Overseer also mention that a "garden" is symbolic for the womb, and the serpent is symbolic for the penis- in other words, male and female sexual organs?
It's all sexual fantasy, in my opinion, which is why religion seems to attract so many pervs. Many of these songs are in fact erotic passion and are influential. I don't think the solution is to ban them, though. It's to recognize them for erotic passion, and perhaps not confuse erotic passion with "love." Also, I think I mentioned somewhere on this forum that the Garden of Eden myth is just a plagiarized version of the Greek myth the Garden of Hespirides, in my opinion. -
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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The letter from the "lawyer" sounds like Lloyd is being scammed by Nigerian scammers he found on the internet, although I suppose the poor quality could be the result of a poor language translator. The incorrect lower case and capitalizations doesn't seem like a poor translator is the most likely possibility though. If poor Lloyd is now the victim of Nigerian scammers, now they will never leave him alone!
This was really a ridiculous letter that can't be respected. He seems to be moving from bad to worse.
The question of "jurisdiction" can be tricky in the age of modern internet where court hearings are regularly held online, especially during Covid. I am familiar with a recent case of a You Tuber named Karen Yax (also known as The Critical Kay) who is being sued for defamation by a woman named Rae Andreacchio (Andreacchio v. Yax). Yax lives in Michigan, and Andreacchio lives in another State (I can't remember which). Yax tried to get the case dismissed for lack of jurisdiction but it was rejected because Yax directed/targeted her alleged defamation into the State where Andreacchio lives. It is scheduled for trial next December.
It is strange how LE is now guilty of the same things he accuses the WTS of- covering up a sex scandal. As has been mentioned by others, even if the prostitutes were of the legal age of consent at the time he engaged with them, it is likely that they were under age at the time they entered the business. It would be equally strange if scammer Lloyd is being scammed. Sanitizing his comment section to allow his viewers to hear only what he has to say is what makes him a scammer. It's also what Dictators do. Our only choice is to do the hard work ourselves, not knowing the outcome, or submit to a Dictator. -
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Watchtower publication says in Paradise we will fly around like Superman!!
by Witness 007 ingolden age aug 25th 1926 p.751 "negative gravitation...you may have wondered how accidents will be avoided in christ's kingdom, since we are told nothing will hurt or destroy.
scientist tell us there is enough atomic energy in one finger nail to propell a battleship.
the people of the future may carry some of this power with them.
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Honestly, (and I don't want to sound anti-semitic, because I'm not, the holocaust was real and despicable) paradise is a fantasy land where some Jewish fathers strangely envisioned a world where only Jewish people existed, or were favored by God, and anyone else was a slave. Paradise is probably a sexual fantasy, actually. If nothing else, it is probably a plagiarized myth from the Greek myth "Garden of Hespirides."
"Feminism," at least from my point of view, is "humanitarianism" without super-naturalism. The fact that snakes don't talk is just the beginning and the end of these fantasies. All women have the right to speak against being blamed for believing in talking snakes. -
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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"JLE is down to 660 patrons."
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One question to ask Lloyd Evans
by usualusername1 inlloyd evans has a livestream and must answer all questions.
the only catch.
you can only ask one question plus a follow up.. my fave so far is would you want your daughter to marry a man who was unfaithful every few months with prostitutes.. what would you ask him?.
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"it makes you wonder whether your memories are even relevant for the younger folks"
That's a truly great statement that applies to those of us who are aging in many ways, not just the WT Society,
As for a question I would ask LE I would ask, "How long do you think you can fly over everyone's heads before you crash?" Until Kim he was "flying under the radar" but now he keeps trying to act "above it all" and he isn't. He is not advocating freedom from false religion, he is advocating sexual freedom. As Simon once stated, decency in marriage and family relationships is not limited to the expectations of the WT Society. Even as an apostate you are still held to similar standards of decency and lawfulness.
As for trying to shut everyone down who speaks against him, that is what dictators do. Someone could fairly do a documentary titled "The rise and Fall of Lloyd Evans," of "How Lloyd Evans Ruined His You Tube Career." -
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Now that this has happened, I have zero interest in watching his videos. When it first happened, I noticed he was not producing videos for 2-3 weeks and I thought, "what has happened to Lloyd Evans? Why is he not producing videos? Maybe he went on vacation? Why did he not produce a video saying he was going on vacation?" Because I watched him whenever he produced new content if it was something I would be interested in (as a former Bible student). So finally I checked the "community section" of his page and learned about his extra-curricular activities. At this point, I will no longer be seeking his videos out, or clicking if they appear in my recommended section. I'll only watch videos on this topic, none of his other stuff. At this point his videos are only for people who have been disfellowshipped for similar reasons and LE is going to lead them to sexual freedom, so he thinks. I guess that is his idea of "the truth will set you free."
Asking people (or "inviting" them, rather) to pay 6,000 before a Judge has even issued an Order requiring such payment is ridiculous. That's not how it works, and it looks like another scam of his to get the gullible to give him money. -
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Where will the war in Ukraine lead to?
by Kosonen inthere has been comments in the news recently that the war in ukraine could be the beginning to the world war three.. i would not be surprised if it is.
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the bible says a time will come when the peace will be taken from the earth.. revelation 6:4 another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword.. have you heard what possibly this war in ukraine could lead to?.
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This is why, to some degree, many people support the Anonymous hacking group, because a war between hackers is better than a nuclear war. I pretty much supported Anonymous. Then I became the victim of identity theft. I don't think it was them. It happened right around the time Paige Thompson hacked Capitol One. Anyway, the problem with hoping for cyber war instead of nuclear war is that the Russians are pretty good hackers. That being the case, you would think Putin would have the decency just to use their hackers to shut off electricity or something.
I didn't catch the whole story on CNN but today Putin said to some sector of Ukraine, "Choose to live or live as slaves." Whatever that means. It sounds like typical white man's rage strikes again, but honestly, I dunno. I didn't hear what he was referring to specifically. -
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I can assure you, from the outside looking in, at least for me, it looks like quite a horror show. Among many things, as far as I am concerned, they have no business setting up their own bogus "Sanhedrin" (which I assume, is the "Judicial Committee"). They aren't even Jewish. From what little I have seen and heard about these disfellowshipping committees, so much of what they do would actually be illegal in a secular court.
Salvation is a false concept. I rescue cats. Only some of them can and will be saved, though I wish they could all have good homes and not become prey to other predators. It's no different for people, and I don't know why people have such grandiose ideas that an entire "Bible & Tract Society" will be saved. If a tornado or a tsunami ripped through any town populated by JDubs, some of them would be saved, some of them would be lost.