I've been watching a new channel to replace Lloyd, called Holy Kool-Aid, and another one, Religion for Breakfast, and a few others, including Freedom From Religion (Dan Barker is one of the Presidents of FFR), which, in the U.S. is about the separation of Church and State. One of the many things I have learned from these channels is that the U.S. was the first country to adopt separation of Church and State into it's Constitution, after it was discussed in Europe during many, many years of religious turmoil (largely Catholics and Protestants). But there is something else, important. The U.S. Government does NOT promote Christianity ONLY. You can be a Buddhist and be an American, or an Atheist, etc. (or any number of religions across the globe. The U.S. is "globalist," as Alex Jones would say, broadcasting from Genesis Communications). This matters for two reasons- one, because the JDubbs do not recognize any religion besides their own, and second, Christianity itself, JDubbs aside, is an exclusive religion. But, modern Democracy in America tries to work for everyone, not just Christians, and not just JDubbs. In other words, Christianity actually excludes the Jews, and many other people. Actually, Christianity and Judaism are mutually exclusive.
I do not believe in paradise at all. We were finally making progress after the holocaust when the U.S. helped get the Jews their own State of Israel (so they can create their own version of paradise there, and so they would have a place to flee if ever another Hitler rose to power). All that progress was spoiled by the JDubbs who are all over the globe pretending God is going to create a paradise on earth.
Milestones: 1945–1952 - Office of the Historian (state.gov)
Lloyd is missing many pieces of his puzzle. He is a philanderer at a bad period in Democracy, when women's rights are prevailing. There will always be a fringe of such people, I suppose, but not any kind of popular majority.
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He's down to 633 Patreons as of March 15, 2022. He had a brief gain of seven Patreons after a sharp drop over the last week or two, but then he quickly lost those seven, and more. His big problem now, I think, is his prostitution views would undoubtedly make him unpopular with most religious Patreons he had (except the Jimmy Swaggart/denigration of women types) and he is doubly unpopular because the politics of prostitution just isn't popular with a majority of any kind. I think eventually he will become popular to only the minority that does favor that lifestyle, and then he would probably just get banned from either You Tube or Amazon totally. I've lost near total interest in even checking up on him, much less his content. In the U.S., Hugh Hefner died fairly recently, and we have had major equivocation of men like Harvey Weinstein, Epstein, Bill Cosby, Bill O'Reilly, and many others. Some of us actually did want to be mothers, not hookers.
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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only
by Marbles ini was never a jdubb, only a bible student.
there are two main questions i have.
let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.
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@rivergang, thank you for clarifying they do not suffer other than their genuine sense/fear of death. Even my cat used to get terrified of the insecticide I put on his back for fleas. I not longer put it on him.
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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only
by Marbles ini was never a jdubb, only a bible student.
there are two main questions i have.
let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.
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fisherman, okay thank you for explaining your view point on the Temple. I'm not sure why you have not speculated as to how the Christians acquired Jewish scripture to begin with (?!) but that's okay. I think it's important though.
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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only
by Marbles ini was never a jdubb, only a bible student.
there are two main questions i have.
let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.
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@Fisherman, is it your world view, and the reason Jewish people pray at the Wailing Wall, that Solomon's Temple will be re-built? Is that what the JW's are trying to say? Because to my world view, that is a stunning fallacy. I just don't see things that way.
Obviously I could never become a JW because I ask too many questions.
ETA: David was forbidden from building a temple "because he had shed too much blood" so his son Solomon built one instead.(I Chronicles 22:6-8)
“You have shed blood abundantly, and have made great wars; you shall not build a house in My name, because you have shed much blood on the earth in My sight.”
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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only
by Marbles ini was never a jdubb, only a bible student.
there are two main questions i have.
let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.
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@waton, I appreciate your plain and intelligent response very much! I agree. Parables and fables are the same, and not to be taken literally. Not everyone in a congregation will identify with Aesop's fable The Tortoise and the Hare in the same way. Some might interpret that fable to mean "nice guys finish last." Others might take it to mean don't rush when you need to get important work done.
@fisherman, you have said a lot about Jewish traditions that I don't understand at all. Please decipher it into plain language? Not trying to be rude, but I am not Jewish. Are you? I am assuming you are, by the way you responded. This is why I asked you, how did the Christians come to possess copies of the OT? Was it during temple raids? And isn't it reasonable to assume if it was acquired during temple raids that some of the OT is missing? The point being that laws about blood refer to the Jews and kosher meat, no one else. But if you, as a JW (I do not know if you are or are not) wish to adopt Jewish religion, as JWs seem to pick and choose which rituals they can adopt, you can easily buy kosher salt at the grocery store and "cleanse" the meat you eat so it is kosher. Unless you can prove to me otherwise, this is what is meant by "not eating blood." It does NOT refer to blood transfusions! There is a ton of scientific, factual inaccuracy in the Bible. Yes, as waton said, during the time the Bible was written, many people believed the earth was flat. You can try to point out there is reference in the Bible to it being a "circle" but the earth is a sphere, not a circle. And the smart men of the earth could deduce that since the moon was a sphere, the earth was also a sphere. -
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This good news of the kingdom
by Rattigan350 ingrowing up around the faith, whenever i heard something taught, i'd always think there is a different way of looking at that, probably better.. we always hear "this good news of the kingdom will be preached... " matt 24:14.. so i think, is there more to it than preaching the kingdom?.
luke 17:21 the kjv and asv says "neither shall they say, lo here!
or, lo there!
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This is a good post, but it is hard to figure out a good response. I want to say if the "spirit" of Jesus is in our midst, then I want to believe that is an empathy that has developed from years, maybe decades of trying to figure out how to work "the Golden Rule" properly.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I am not always empathic. I should be more empathic, but as a woman this makes me a vulnerable target for exploitation. I guess it is safer to be empathic on line, as long as a person doesn't fall for scammers of so many kinds- romance scammers, prosperity gospel scammers, financial scammers, etc. Scams everywhere. -
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I feel sorry for people who are only allowed to read the Bible for an edumacation. How are they ever supposed to learn a trade or a career? JW Governing Body has the mindset of the rulers and priests during medieval times. The rulers and priests were the only people who could read (and books were few and far between before the development of the printing press). The peasants were unable to read and were at the mercy of information provided by the priests. The peasants were a very superstitious people, believing black cats were witch's familiars, and bad luck, etc. This was the beauty of public education, revived by Queen Elizabeth I (Protestant- her cousin, Mary Queen of Scots, was Catholic) after it was abolished for a short time (previously only available to boys and men).
This whole thing about an "insult" being a "crime" in Coratia must date back to medieval times when it was a crime to insult someone who did not have much of an education. And I agree, it's a cruel thing to do.
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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only
by Marbles ini was never a jdubb, only a bible student.
there are two main questions i have.
let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.
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I'm not sure how King David, or the blood of Jesus, got all entangled into this conversation, unless it has something to do with King David being "The Kingdom of God" JWs refer to, and the blood of Jesus being shed to go back in time to that time period to restore the Kingdom of David? Because, like I have inferred, if JWs take the Bible literally, then "eating blood" refers to non-kosher meat, and I'm pretty sure JWs eat non-kosher meat. I don't think the blood transfusion issue has to do with Jesus' blood shed and/or the "Kingdom [David's] of God." I think "refraining from blood" interpreted to mean no blood transfusions has to do with JWs having no idea what they are talking about. Marcus Aurelius was a great emperor, and his writings are preserved to this day. But I don't see any reason anyone would wish to live under Marcus Aurelius' reign again if it meant living without modern comforts that modern society offers. Likewise I just don't see why anyone would want to live under King David again, or for that matter, Donald Trump, or JFK, or Bill Clinton, etc. JWs quote the OT all the time so how then can you say the Old covenant was abolished by the New? Which is it, for God's sake? It's just JW double talk. No, there is no "spiritual Israel." Read Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion. Read it all. (You can easily download the pdf online for free).The OT was written by them and for them only. The question is only how it got into Christian hands. (Read also Josephus, I believe the section titled Jewish Wars).
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If Dijana has not reached the point where she understands LE is more than likely NOT going to change, she will end up with someone just like him if she decides to marry again. When I grew up, my step-dad read Playboy, but other than that, I was pretty naive to the fact that men like Lloyd Evans even existed insofar as philanderers go. I wouldn't call her a co-conspirator just yet. For the time being, she seems safe at her parents house, and Lloyd should be kicked out of the nest, free to fly on his own. Eventually his subscribers will dwindle down to men who are interested in obtaining similar "freedom."
He's nothing but a sex tourist like Daryush Valizadeh, who goes by the name "Roosh." Roosh was an internet "pick up artist" who tried to make a living out of teaching incels and other undesirable men how to pick up chicks, and how to "get laid." He self-published books on Amazon on sex tourism, his main thesis being how undesirable American Women are because they wear flip flops instead of high heels, for instance. The titles of his books were like, "Bang Argentina." Eventually Amazon banned him and his books. If LE keeps making public statements on YT about having no control of his penis and how a small minority of people will always be concerned about what he does with his penis, You Tube will ban him too- but it takes YT forever to make such a decision. Amazon, however, would step in quickly if LE starts to publish books on his fondness for sex tourism, however.