@John Davis
Sure wish the elders had told me. I did not know about it. Have they always had that? In 1987 I was in the high court in London fighting for my two eldest kids.
Phoebe
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Rookie exJW Question
by Phoebe ini was wondering if someone could help me with a question.. i am a rookie exjw, i only left the organization 4 months ago and everything i've discovered (un/arc/malawi/mexico etc) i've only discovered in the last few months so you can image it's been a huge shock to me especially after after 50 yrs!.
every time i think i've heard everything, something else pops up.. now i've come across a youtube video that mention tv evangelizer jimmy swaggart and the watchtower.
i remember jimmy swaggart from the time i lived in the u.s.a and i remember the scandals with him and prostitutes etc.
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Rookie exJW Question
by Phoebe ini was wondering if someone could help me with a question.. i am a rookie exjw, i only left the organization 4 months ago and everything i've discovered (un/arc/malawi/mexico etc) i've only discovered in the last few months so you can image it's been a huge shock to me especially after after 50 yrs!.
every time i think i've heard everything, something else pops up.. now i've come across a youtube video that mention tv evangelizer jimmy swaggart and the watchtower.
i remember jimmy swaggart from the time i lived in the u.s.a and i remember the scandals with him and prostitutes etc.
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Phoebe
It doesn't matter who is right or wrong. The point is, once again they couldn't be upfront and honest about it. So, we all thought this was God's direction.A loving arrangement to simplify things and get that all important message into people's hands.
The Watchtower should know 'Transparency breeds trust and trust breeds good team work'
This is a secret society, with secret letters and secret books and I like, millions of others, went along with everything, trusting every word they said, thinking it was Jehovah God's direction.
If you continue to watch Jason Zelda's video, you learn about the child custody book. I went through a custody battle and no one told me there was a child custody book!
So what else don't I know???
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Rookie exJW Question
by Phoebe ini was wondering if someone could help me with a question.. i am a rookie exjw, i only left the organization 4 months ago and everything i've discovered (un/arc/malawi/mexico etc) i've only discovered in the last few months so you can image it's been a huge shock to me especially after after 50 yrs!.
every time i think i've heard everything, something else pops up.. now i've come across a youtube video that mention tv evangelizer jimmy swaggart and the watchtower.
i remember jimmy swaggart from the time i lived in the u.s.a and i remember the scandals with him and prostitutes etc.
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Phoebe
@ Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho
No worries, that was a good video, too. I watch loads, too. I think I'm sort of addicted to watching them!
@WHATSGOINGON
So true. I think most bros were totally hoodwinked by that whole 'donation' thing. Even the other day I actually said to my friend that if these are supposed to be God's people he will bring the child abuse thing out into the open and fix it, just like he did when they were peddling the word and making a shed load of money from the literature. (Oh, what a stupid thing for me to say!!!)
No point in me trying to tell her about this. She only started to believe me about the child abuse problem when she saw it on the BBC. Seems in the UK if it's on the BBC..then people will believe it.
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Rookie exJW Question
by Phoebe ini was wondering if someone could help me with a question.. i am a rookie exjw, i only left the organization 4 months ago and everything i've discovered (un/arc/malawi/mexico etc) i've only discovered in the last few months so you can image it's been a huge shock to me especially after after 50 yrs!.
every time i think i've heard everything, something else pops up.. now i've come across a youtube video that mention tv evangelizer jimmy swaggart and the watchtower.
i remember jimmy swaggart from the time i lived in the u.s.a and i remember the scandals with him and prostitutes etc.
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Phoebe
@Hecce
Thank you, I've screenshot that...really appreciate you putting that up.
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Rookie exJW Question
by Phoebe ini was wondering if someone could help me with a question.. i am a rookie exjw, i only left the organization 4 months ago and everything i've discovered (un/arc/malawi/mexico etc) i've only discovered in the last few months so you can image it's been a huge shock to me especially after after 50 yrs!.
every time i think i've heard everything, something else pops up.. now i've come across a youtube video that mention tv evangelizer jimmy swaggart and the watchtower.
i remember jimmy swaggart from the time i lived in the u.s.a and i remember the scandals with him and prostitutes etc.
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Phoebe
@Listener
Yes, that's the video I watched.
All I'm saying is...if we even so much as went to a jumble sale (boot sale) in a church hall we were for the high jump and yet they can seemingly support a member of Christendom??
The sad thing is if I told my friends JWs this...they wouldn't believe it. They don't believe anything you tell them.
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Rookie exJW Question
by Phoebe ini was wondering if someone could help me with a question.. i am a rookie exjw, i only left the organization 4 months ago and everything i've discovered (un/arc/malawi/mexico etc) i've only discovered in the last few months so you can image it's been a huge shock to me especially after after 50 yrs!.
every time i think i've heard everything, something else pops up.. now i've come across a youtube video that mention tv evangelizer jimmy swaggart and the watchtower.
i remember jimmy swaggart from the time i lived in the u.s.a and i remember the scandals with him and prostitutes etc.
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Phoebe
@darkspilver
well, we generally didn't outright ask...well yes, some people did. Householders might say how much and we'd ask for a donation but I could never bring myself to say anything, I felt embarrassed. But yes, I went on the ministry with some people who would outright ask for a donation. 'We're offering these magazines freely, but if you'd like to make a donation' that sort of thing.
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Rookie exJW Question
by Phoebe ini was wondering if someone could help me with a question.. i am a rookie exjw, i only left the organization 4 months ago and everything i've discovered (un/arc/malawi/mexico etc) i've only discovered in the last few months so you can image it's been a huge shock to me especially after after 50 yrs!.
every time i think i've heard everything, something else pops up.. now i've come across a youtube video that mention tv evangelizer jimmy swaggart and the watchtower.
i remember jimmy swaggart from the time i lived in the u.s.a and i remember the scandals with him and prostitutes etc.
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Phoebe
@darkspilver
I was in the U.K. so we asked for donations. I never liked to ask so I just gave the magazines to people :)
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Rookie exJW Question
by Phoebe ini was wondering if someone could help me with a question.. i am a rookie exjw, i only left the organization 4 months ago and everything i've discovered (un/arc/malawi/mexico etc) i've only discovered in the last few months so you can image it's been a huge shock to me especially after after 50 yrs!.
every time i think i've heard everything, something else pops up.. now i've come across a youtube video that mention tv evangelizer jimmy swaggart and the watchtower.
i remember jimmy swaggart from the time i lived in the u.s.a and i remember the scandals with him and prostitutes etc.
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Phoebe
@ Splash @ darkspilver
Thank you both so much. I had absolutely no idea. I and everyone I knew, truly believed it was something directed by Jehovah. Whether it was to get the literature (and therefore the message) into people's hands or as you said above to simplify the work, we all believed it was God behind it.
I am continually shocked....
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Rookie exJW Question
by Phoebe ini was wondering if someone could help me with a question.. i am a rookie exjw, i only left the organization 4 months ago and everything i've discovered (un/arc/malawi/mexico etc) i've only discovered in the last few months so you can image it's been a huge shock to me especially after after 50 yrs!.
every time i think i've heard everything, something else pops up.. now i've come across a youtube video that mention tv evangelizer jimmy swaggart and the watchtower.
i remember jimmy swaggart from the time i lived in the u.s.a and i remember the scandals with him and prostitutes etc.
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Phoebe
@Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho
Thank you for that...I didn't know that one.
i heard it in a Jason Zelda video shared by Mikey and Kim.
Not only about Jimmy Swaggart but he also spoke of the secret book about child custody cases and a clip of an elder actually lying about that in court.
I'm only half way through this video and I'm floored already!
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Rookie exJW Question
by Phoebe ini was wondering if someone could help me with a question.. i am a rookie exjw, i only left the organization 4 months ago and everything i've discovered (un/arc/malawi/mexico etc) i've only discovered in the last few months so you can image it's been a huge shock to me especially after after 50 yrs!.
every time i think i've heard everything, something else pops up.. now i've come across a youtube video that mention tv evangelizer jimmy swaggart and the watchtower.
i remember jimmy swaggart from the time i lived in the u.s.a and i remember the scandals with him and prostitutes etc.
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Phoebe
I was wondering if someone could help me with a question.
I am a rookie exJW, I only left the organization 4 months ago and everything I've discovered (UN/ARC/Malawi/Mexico etc) I've only discovered in the last few months so you can image it's been a HUGE shock to me especially after after 50 yrs!
Every time I think I've heard everything, something else pops up.
Now I've come across a YouTube video that mention TV evangelizer Jimmy Swaggart and the Watchtower. I remember Jimmy Swaggart from the time I lived in the U.S.A and I remember the scandals with him and prostitutes etc. But I did not know he was taken to court for not paying tax and the Watchtower had an invested interested in him winning his case.
I searched this forum and came across a thread from many years ago and I've been reading it but it's quite complicated to me.
Can anyone tell me if the Watchtower really did support this person in their court case and was it because they were worried they'd lose their charity status? Because they were charging for the literature? If it's true, this is so shocking to me!
I remember the days of charging for literature and I remember it coming in that we were to change to donations. We were told it was because it was so very important we got God's word into people's hands we were going to give it to them and just ask for a donation but it didn't matter if they didn't give one.It was viewed as a loving thing the society were doing.
Most JWs I knew really thought this was actually Jehovah using the authorities to put us right and stop us peddling the word because we were often accused of that in the ministry.
I honestly, need to lie down sometimes because all these revelations have totally floored me and if this is also true...I wonder what else I am going to discover!
Please forgive me for asking, as I say there was a long thread about it years ago but, the thing is, while a lot of things like this may well have been discussed on this forum in the past, there are a lot of us who have only recently left and we have been in the dark about many, many things. All these things are a new discovery.