Posts by CitizenofEarth

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JW and Aliens

by CitizenofEarth in

i have several times asked people in my congregation about aliens, and what the org would do if they appeared, and everyone stated that aliens dont exist.

i did this since this is of great interest to me, and the universe generally amazes me.. everything is apparently centered around earth, and gods ability to be better at ruling than satan.

and i will point out that i havent even been ruled by god yet, as the bible says, so i still dont get how satans inablity to rule proves gods ability to rule... what do you guys think would happen if real extraterrestial life was confirmed - the intelligent sort of life.

CitizenofEarth

darkspilver: Oh right, you mean God and the angels....

Extraterrestrial intelligent life...

And God and his angels havent really contacted any humans in atleast 2000 years - and never if you dont believe in the Bible. So i would say they dont count.

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JW and Aliens

by CitizenofEarth in

i have several times asked people in my congregation about aliens, and what the org would do if they appeared, and everyone stated that aliens dont exist.

i did this since this is of great interest to me, and the universe generally amazes me.. everything is apparently centered around earth, and gods ability to be better at ruling than satan.

and i will point out that i havent even been ruled by god yet, as the bible says, so i still dont get how satans inablity to rule proves gods ability to rule... what do you guys think would happen if real extraterrestial life was confirmed - the intelligent sort of life.

CitizenofEarth

I have several times asked people in my congregation about Aliens, and what the org would do if they appeared, and everyone stated that aliens dont exist. I did this since this is of great interest to me, and the universe generally amazes me.

Everything is apparently centered around Earth, and Gods ability to be better at ruling than Satan. And i will point out that i havent even been ruled by God yet, as the bible says, so i still dont get how Satans inablity to rule proves Gods ability to rule... What do you guys think would happen if real extraterrestial life was confirmed - the intelligent sort of life. How would the Org react? What excuses would be made - if any?

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Lot's Wife - Connect the dots - JW.org

by Funchback in

yay!

now kids can help draw lot's wife getting destroyed.. .

CitizenofEarth

Is this for real ?

To my utmost surprise - yes it is. Couldnt believe my eyes. This seems way out of line, even for a jw. And i can see it has been there for years.. This is pretty disturbing for many, many, reasons. Some reasons even taught jo jw´s.

The link to the drawing.

https://www.jw.org/da/bibelens-l%C3%A6re/familie/b%C3%B8rn/tegninger/lots-hustru-bliver-saltst%C3%B8tte/#?insight[search_id]=911150df-c0b6-483c-89ac-00abbcd8b7fa&insight[search_result_index]=1

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Laws in the 1000 year kingdom?

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. tried to bring this up with my family.

didnt go well - they cling on to the utopia that the org paints, so i am gonna put this topic to your attention.

i would love to hear what you guys/girls think about this - god or no god i find this interesting.

CitizenofEarth

Not that I think anyone will get the ability to live forever..... but this is a good point. Why hasn't the Greatest Being of the universe provided more info on what is to happen? It's been almost two millennia already and no further direct messages, isn't that cause for concern? Is he asleep? If he can create the universe, thousands of galaxies, over millions of years, and yet he's such a poor communicator, what the h**l?

Well the official excuse is that he wants to prove that He is the best at ruling... But i have never been ruled by Jehova, only Satan (as the Bible proclaims) - so that is an issue in itself too. What if people prefer this system over the new one after armageddon. I guess that would be the ones reffered to as grains of sand...

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Laws in the 1000 year kingdom?

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. tried to bring this up with my family.

didnt go well - they cling on to the utopia that the org paints, so i am gonna put this topic to your attention.

i would love to hear what you guys/girls think about this - god or no god i find this interesting.

CitizenofEarth

Hello there.

Tried to bring this up with my family. Didnt go well - they cling on to the utopia that the org paints, so i am gonna put this topic to your attention. I would love to hear what you guys/girls think about this - god or no god i find this interesting. Here it is:

What laws will be used in at least the start of the 1000 year kingdom. It will take some time before the "new books" will come out, so some sort of book of law has to be used. Remember that people will still be imperfect. What do you think it will be? Or will it be the elders who have the last say in anything (like kings in the middle ages)?

Also if you want to it would be interesting to hear what you guys think about life after armegeddon. I think it would be just like now, just less people and no hope of it all ending. I doubt Jehova would say or do anything other than giving the ability to live forever - after all, he hasnt said or done anything the past 2000 years. What are your thoughts?

Even though i find it unlikely that the armageddon will happen, it would be cool to see what others have to say about this. Any perspective is appreciated.

Thank you.

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"Forced" study with an Elder - The first question i will pose, help appreciated.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello folks.

as some of you might know my dad couldnt keep quiet about my view of the world, so i have been "forced" to study with an elder.

otherwise i would be dragged to questioning, which is to much pressure for a young inexperienced person like me.

CitizenofEarth

Thanks to you all very much, you have cleared my doubts about what actions i must use. I will make good use of your advice.

To the ones who provided some research too, together with some sound questions i could pose, i appreciate that very much also. It helps me along.

Tommorow the hard part comes - i will not go unprepared like before.

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"Forced" study with an Elder - The first question i will pose, help appreciated.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello folks.

as some of you might know my dad couldnt keep quiet about my view of the world, so i have been "forced" to study with an elder.

otherwise i would be dragged to questioning, which is to much pressure for a young inexperienced person like me.

CitizenofEarth

Londo111
Then as has been mentioned: since you've been dip it is especially important to guard your tongue. Keep researching, do the bare minimum you have to, make friends with non-JWs, prepare for college and being able to support yourself afterward. Then you will be in a position to move on.
Never forget the convention last year where the girl was disfellowshipped and her father kicked her out. Watchtower is sending an implied instruction.
When I woke up, I examined the theology on this topic and others, and it does not add up.
Maybe this would be of use to you on the subject of the Great Crowd and "Other Sheep".
Of course, if you check my channel, you'll see there are other topics like 607, 1914, Door to Door where things fall apart on examination as well.
Of course, like I said it is best to keep it to yourself for now.

I will adhere to your advice, and thank you for the link.

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"Forced" study with an Elder - The first question i will pose, help appreciated.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello folks.

as some of you might know my dad couldnt keep quiet about my view of the world, so i have been "forced" to study with an elder.

otherwise i would be dragged to questioning, which is to much pressure for a young inexperienced person like me.

CitizenofEarth

Village Idiot
It is accepted amongst Christian eschatologists that the 144,000 represents Jews who converted to Christianity in contrast to Christian Gentiles which form the Great Multitude (Great Crowd).
Further more the reading in most translations depict the "virgins" as "...those who did not defile themselves with women" (Revelation 14:4) meaning that they're all men. So much for being a female amongst the anointed.

Thank you for mentioning this. I will note it down!

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"Forced" study with an Elder - The first question i will pose, help appreciated.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello folks.

as some of you might know my dad couldnt keep quiet about my view of the world, so i have been "forced" to study with an elder.

otherwise i would be dragged to questioning, which is to much pressure for a young inexperienced person like me.

CitizenofEarth

Londo111
Have you been dipped?
That definitely would change the consequences of asking questions.

Yes, when i was 16 years of age. I am now 18 years old.

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"Forced" study with an Elder - The first question i will pose, help appreciated.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello folks.

as some of you might know my dad couldnt keep quiet about my view of the world, so i have been "forced" to study with an elder.

otherwise i would be dragged to questioning, which is to much pressure for a young inexperienced person like me.

CitizenofEarth

Giordano
Citizen you need to understand the following: While the Society does value a follower's faith they value Obedience even more. Obedience even when they are wrong.
This is a cult like the Mormon's who believe that when the Elders ( in this case The Watchtower speaks) the thinking is done.
This is what Cults or high control religions do.
So coming up with clever questions or trying to debate the JW construct will put them on guard and eventually they will consider you a threat to their congregation.
Simply be humble and present yourself as a meek and faithful JW.
Gather information that strengthens your resolve to not become what they want you to be. You go behind enemy lines so to speak and blend in for now.

Allright. Unless anyone comes up with anything groundbreaking i will have to act with respects to your, and some of the others, experience. You guys overwhelmingly state that i should be a good sheep so as not to make things harder for myself. I will, and then keep on my private research.