Posts by CitizenofEarth

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Can any one find a single incident when JW hierarchy have apologised for any miss application of the bible?

by Chook in

conditions are i want to see it in print..

CitizenofEarth

Well i know they on a rare occasion have admitted that something they printed was wrong - but no apologies no.

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Elder told me that they are required to report to police.

by CitizenofEarth in

yesterday i had my weekly "mandatory" study with an elder, and i brought up child abuse and the whole issue with reporting it to the police.

he told me that they are required to report to the police immediately, and that they never deter people from reporting anything.

may i remind you that i am from denmark.. i find this interesting, as everything i find elsewhere states quite the opposite, or atleast provides statements that does not agree with his statements.

CitizenofEarth

It's only mandatory if you're 10 years old.

Well - my situation is different. Im only 18 years old, and fading while living at home is hard. Unless i want to rise suspicions i cant remove, i have to study with this elder. My condition for the study though, is that i raise the questions, and i decide what we should talk about. But within a week i wont be living home anymore, since my parents have "thrown" me out (they cant take that i once/twice a week show them another thing about the Org that is unbiblical). And when im out i can begin fading in a different way - so i am looking forward to that.

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Elder told me that they are required to report to police.

by CitizenofEarth in

yesterday i had my weekly "mandatory" study with an elder, and i brought up child abuse and the whole issue with reporting it to the police.

he told me that they are required to report to the police immediately, and that they never deter people from reporting anything.

may i remind you that i am from denmark.. i find this interesting, as everything i find elsewhere states quite the opposite, or atleast provides statements that does not agree with his statements.

CitizenofEarth

If in Denmark religoius clergy are to report situations of child abuse within their congregations to the police, the elder may be misinformed.

Just found further info. It is punishable by law if you know anything about child abuse and doesnt report it - so of course he would say that. However i am glad to see that Denmark, unlike other countries, have made these steps to ensure that justice is served.

He made it sound af is the Org was really good and had made it so, but in reality they are forced to. He did not mention how this is only in Denmark, and other countries with similar laws. How saddening.

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Elder told me that they are required to report to police.

by CitizenofEarth in

yesterday i had my weekly "mandatory" study with an elder, and i brought up child abuse and the whole issue with reporting it to the police.

he told me that they are required to report to the police immediately, and that they never deter people from reporting anything.

may i remind you that i am from denmark.. i find this interesting, as everything i find elsewhere states quite the opposite, or atleast provides statements that does not agree with his statements.

CitizenofEarth

Yesterday i had my weekly "mandatory" study with an Elder, and i brought up child abuse and the whole issue with reporting it to the police. He told me that they are required to report to the police immediately, and that they never deter people from reporting anything. May i remind you that i am from Denmark.

I find this interesting, as everything i find elsewhere states quite the opposite, or atleast provides statements that does not agree with his statements. What are the newest guidelines on this issue? Have they made a new stance on police reporting? Or maybe i am just in that rare congregation with people who generally have some common human decency and moral ethics, and are therefore able to report immediately if something were to happen?

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Just ordered the book Crisis of Conscience

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. i just ordered the book coc, and will son recieve it.

does anyone have anything you want to mention about the book - perhaps some things you stumbled upon that might help me understand something more?

or maybe you have any thoughts you want to share regarding the book?

CitizenofEarth

Hello there.

I just ordered the book CoC, and will son recieve it. Does anyone have anything you want to mention about the book - perhaps some things you stumbled upon that might help me understand something more? Or maybe you have any thoughts you want to share regarding the book? Anything is appreciated. I have been lurking on this forum almost everyday for some time now, and i just enjoy reading the mulitude of perspectives from you people.

Thanks again.

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The org and going beyond what is written

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. my father just claimed that the good thing about being a witness was how they just let the bible interpret itself.

now i know the irony in this statement, but i dont know what to show him that he just cant discard with some ignorant excuse.

any ideas?

CitizenofEarth

Show your dear dad the new convention video about 1975 then show him the recordings from a link about how they really did tell people they should sell their homes and leave jobs.

That is a great idea! Where do i find all these things. I mean from sources that he wouldnt call apostate lies?

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The org and going beyond what is written

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. my father just claimed that the good thing about being a witness was how they just let the bible interpret itself.

now i know the irony in this statement, but i dont know what to show him that he just cant discard with some ignorant excuse.

any ideas?

CitizenofEarth

Hello there.

My father just claimed that the good thing about being a witness was how they just let the bible interpret itself. Now i know the irony in this statement, but i dont know what to show him that he just cant discard with some ignorant excuse. Any ideas? An example of the Org blatantly going beyond what is written would be the best in the whole wide world right now.

Thanks to you all in advance.

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Brought my non-JW wife to Kingdom Hall for a wedding

by keyser soze in

my brother got remarried to his ex-wife over the weekend.

they had been married for 15 years, but divorced in 2011. they decided to give it another try, because they have 3 kids together, and the dating pool is very thin for jws in their 30's and 40's.

we didn't want to attend, but since i was invited, and they were kind enough to attend our wedding, we decided to suck it up.. the most interesting part was the way my wife responded to the whole ordeal.

CitizenofEarth

She was most put off by the whole subjection of women aspect that was repeated throughout the talk. I'll never forget the 'WTF' look she gave me when the speaker referred to wives as "precious possessions".

The way women would be treated by the Org if secular authorities werent here reminds me of the HBO series "The Handmaids Tale". Your wife were rightfully shocked - although in itself, and out of context, a rather weird comment, it shows a rotten, and grim, attitude towards women. Whats even worse is that many JW women will defend this stance when it is brought to their attention, like for example my sister and mom.

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JW and Aliens

by CitizenofEarth in

i have several times asked people in my congregation about aliens, and what the org would do if they appeared, and everyone stated that aliens dont exist.

i did this since this is of great interest to me, and the universe generally amazes me.. everything is apparently centered around earth, and gods ability to be better at ruling than satan.

and i will point out that i havent even been ruled by god yet, as the bible says, so i still dont get how satans inablity to rule proves gods ability to rule... what do you guys think would happen if real extraterrestial life was confirmed - the intelligent sort of life.

CitizenofEarth

darkspilver: Oh right, you mean God and the angels....

Extraterrestrial intelligent life...

And God and his angels havent really contacted any humans in atleast 2000 years - and never if you dont believe in the Bible. So i would say they dont count.

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JW and Aliens

by CitizenofEarth in

i have several times asked people in my congregation about aliens, and what the org would do if they appeared, and everyone stated that aliens dont exist.

i did this since this is of great interest to me, and the universe generally amazes me.. everything is apparently centered around earth, and gods ability to be better at ruling than satan.

and i will point out that i havent even been ruled by god yet, as the bible says, so i still dont get how satans inablity to rule proves gods ability to rule... what do you guys think would happen if real extraterrestial life was confirmed - the intelligent sort of life.

CitizenofEarth

I have several times asked people in my congregation about Aliens, and what the org would do if they appeared, and everyone stated that aliens dont exist. I did this since this is of great interest to me, and the universe generally amazes me.

Everything is apparently centered around Earth, and Gods ability to be better at ruling than Satan. And i will point out that i havent even been ruled by God yet, as the bible says, so i still dont get how Satans inablity to rule proves Gods ability to rule... What do you guys think would happen if real extraterrestial life was confirmed - the intelligent sort of life. How would the Org react? What excuses would be made - if any?