Posts by CitizenofEarth

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Study with an Elder - propose a question.

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hello there.. as some of you might remember i am keeping my facade up by "studying" with an elder.

this study however is more of a session where i put hard questions about the org, doctrine and so on, on the table.

the time has come for the next session in a couple of days, and i have quite frankly lost the will to keep digging up things that just shouldn't be happening.

CitizenofEarth

Steve2 - His intentions are praiseworthy, as he considers me his brother and refuses to abandon me. I wouldn’t say the feelings are reciprocated, but I do consider him my friend, as he has helped me when I was younger and needed to get to the meetings. Now I haven’t been to the meetings for almost a year, only once or twice as far as I can recall. The questions I have raised have been some of the heavy ones from jw.facts, and the one with the kangaroos and Noah’s ark, but alas... To no avail. I will not go into a lengthy argument with him, since he is experienced in life, whereas I am only 18 years old. My age is on this point not to my benefit, as my lack of skill in the field of argumentation haven’t been used for more than.. well... A year. Yes – he has read CoC and many others, and have still somehow managed to keep his current mindset. To clarify - he is not a defender of the GB’s actions, but he is a defender of their claim to be the faithful and discreet slave.

I am putting myself through this because it keeps the questioners away. This is the minimal I can do, while keeping my parents. If my parents were forced to shun me it would destroy them completely – why? Well… that is something I can’t share here. I moved out on my own about 40 days ago, still have one more year in my hometown before I move on to further my education, so I am not so inclined to create havoc in my life atm. I do not have a girlfriend, but I do have a friend who is a girl, as I mentioned before in the context of what my daily life interest are - Which was misunderstood as girlfriend (maybe in the future… who am I to know).

My quest is not to win over the Elder, that would be his own choice. He is the strongest and most devout witness in this part of my country, so if he “fell” there would be a small revolution – I do not intend to be a part of a revolution unless they target my life, or the ones I hold dear.

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Study with an Elder - propose a question.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. as some of you might remember i am keeping my facade up by "studying" with an elder.

this study however is more of a session where i put hard questions about the org, doctrine and so on, on the table.

the time has come for the next session in a couple of days, and i have quite frankly lost the will to keep digging up things that just shouldn't be happening.

CitizenofEarth

Steve2 - One study every second week for almost one year now. The studies have gone nowhere in the grand sheme of things, as i find the explanations given to me lacking, or biased. Other discussions have been interesting – but that was only when we moved into philosophical questions about life.

As an example for what i find lacking and biased. The explanation for carbon dating which didnt align with the Orgs beliefs was that the water canopy consisted of water vapor/frozen water - and since water is a good protector against radiation, carbon dating was not to be trusted when looking at subjects like archeology.

Allright, i will adhere to your advice next time i bring this up – which wont be long. Thank you.

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Study with an Elder - propose a question.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. as some of you might remember i am keeping my facade up by "studying" with an elder.

this study however is more of a session where i put hard questions about the org, doctrine and so on, on the table.

the time has come for the next session in a couple of days, and i have quite frankly lost the will to keep digging up things that just shouldn't be happening.

CitizenofEarth

Thank you guys for all those insights. Yes, you are right Jo-Ho, the credit should go to the Author, so thanks to him/her.

OneEyedJoe. Well no it was not exactly what i meant with that one girl. Nonetheless, it could very well be that the scenario you describe would unfold in the future. However, i myself find that unlikely given the situation we are in - but i will bide my time and finish my education, which is of paramount importance to me, and then take it from there.

I do not believe you should feel silly. I appreciate the advice, and would appreciate it anytime it would present itself. Thank you.

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Study with an Elder - propose a question.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. as some of you might remember i am keeping my facade up by "studying" with an elder.

this study however is more of a session where i put hard questions about the org, doctrine and so on, on the table.

the time has come for the next session in a couple of days, and i have quite frankly lost the will to keep digging up things that just shouldn't be happening.

CitizenofEarth

Thank you Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho. I did not know anything about nr. 8 and 9, so those will be very, very, useful!

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Study with an Elder - propose a question.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. as some of you might remember i am keeping my facade up by "studying" with an elder.

this study however is more of a session where i put hard questions about the org, doctrine and so on, on the table.

the time has come for the next session in a couple of days, and i have quite frankly lost the will to keep digging up things that just shouldn't be happening.

CitizenofEarth

Hello there.

As some of you might remember i am keeping my facade up by "studying" with an Elder. This study however is more of a session where i put hard questions about the Org, doctrine and so on, on the table. The time has come for the next session in a couple of days, and i have quite frankly lost the will to keep digging up things that just shouldn't be happening. Now this is not laziness, as i have went through more than three books, including CoC, the Australian Royal Comitee videos (was i the only one almost screaming at my screen i anger when seeing this?), almost all of jw.facts and this forum too in the search for more. But my interest lies in astronomy, soccer, and one girl - not God, doctrine and human errors.

Alas - to the point. If anyone feels like it, i would appreciate if you would put out an example of a question i could pose about almost anything relating to the Org which could occupy two grown people for several hours - especially one who has been a devout witness for decades, and an Elder for years. Remember that nothing hinders me from bringing a topic up that i have already brought up before, which is why i just throw such a wide request out here. Maybe you have different ways to pose questions that could cast more light on a subject.

Greetings

Me

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Forcing a meaning?

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i was looking for the word that jwfacts.com used for "forcing a meaning" into ex.

a scripture.

fx.

CitizenofEarth

Thank you Tallon. Appreciated.

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Forcing a meaning?

by CitizenofEarth in

i was looking for the word that jwfacts.com used for "forcing a meaning" into ex.

a scripture.

fx.

CitizenofEarth

Hello there.

I was looking for the word that jwfacts.com used for "forcing a meaning" into ex. a scripture. Fx. the GB forces a meaning into proverbs 4:18. If anyone know that word, or something akin towards it, it would be appreciated.

Greetings

Me

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Anything i should know about the upcoming convention?

by CitizenofEarth in

anything i should be aware of?

i am not sure i will go, since i just moved away from home a month ago.

it is not cheap to travel 250km and pay for hotel here in denmark, and i am not exactly rich.

CitizenofEarth

Allright then. I will most likely save myself the trouble then, and money. Not sure about the getting laid part, but i will look at those links you guys have provided. Thank you all!

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Anything i should know about the upcoming convention?

by CitizenofEarth in

anything i should be aware of?

i am not sure i will go, since i just moved away from home a month ago.

it is not cheap to travel 250km and pay for hotel here in denmark, and i am not exactly rich.

CitizenofEarth

Hello there.

As above. Anything i should be aware of? I am not sure i will go, since i just moved away from home a month ago. It is not cheap to travel 250km and pay for hotel here in Denmark, and i am not exactly rich. I would like to hear what views you have on this - perhaps some pros and cons and so on. I have not been going to the meetings for some time now, probably around 6 months (18 years old atm.).

Greetings

Me

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Elder told me that they are required to report to police.

by CitizenofEarth in

yesterday i had my weekly "mandatory" study with an elder, and i brought up child abuse and the whole issue with reporting it to the police.

he told me that they are required to report to the police immediately, and that they never deter people from reporting anything.

may i remind you that i am from denmark.. i find this interesting, as everything i find elsewhere states quite the opposite, or atleast provides statements that does not agree with his statements.

CitizenofEarth

Giordano3 hours ago3 hours ago
Congrats to you CitizenofEarth. Good name by the way.
Eighteen and you already know the truth about the truth!
I wish you all the best for the rest of your life.
Try to stay on good or at least decent terms with your family if possible.
Remember however that your brain has not yet finished growing (that happens in your mid to late twenties). So a good education is important now it can provide a proper foundation for your future. A practical use for your education needs to be understood. I have seen far too many young people get side tracked and finish or leave the higher education system without any marketable skills.
Also make sure you protect yourself from excessive alcohol, drugs and the other traps that can turn you sideways.
Use this forum because while we may not be the youngest group of people......... collectively we have thousands of years of experience you can tap into. We are not limited to just JW interests.
Your parents brought you up telling you that the end was just around the corner that's the JW short game. Now you will have to adjust to the long game........ an additional 70 or so years to live your life. Different rules........ different goals.

Thank you very much for those words. I havent had a smile on my face for some days now, so that was a relief. Indeed, education is very, very, important, and i have fought a hard and long battle to even be where i am now. Yeah, but man how is it sad to see my peers swallow everything whole without a second thought (Many young people in my congr.). One more year though and then it is university for me. Yes - the collective knowledge of this forum is one i wont discard, and i will certainly use it in the future. And the end is still right in a moment as they keep on saying - they said i wouldnt reach the end of Gymnasium, and now i am almost done with that.

One day in the near future i will certainly tell my story too (although a bit shorter than the experienced ones), as many of you have, and then you can enjoy another story of someone who saw through the facades and took a stand.

CitizenofEarth