Posts by CitizenofEarth

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Child sexual abuse major item in Dutch News

by jochie in

last friday child sexual abuse was a major item in the 7.30 pm news by the rtl broadcasting company.the item can be watched here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvnjde0nsek&feature=player_embedded(english subs available).

CitizenofEarth

It seems that it will become a long process. I sincerely hope that they will get the justice they deserve.

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End times "too late for you now" witnessing?

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. i've heard it several times from different people while i was growing up, as well seen some people talk about it here on the forum.

the subject is the jw belief that a time will come before the end where they will change the message that jesus talked about, to one of damnation, where the world will be told something along the lines of "it is too late now".

do any of you have references to jw litterature where they write this?

CitizenofEarth

Hello there.

I've heard it several times from different people while i was growing up, as well seen some people talk about it here on the forum. The subject is the JW belief that a time will come before the end where they will change the message that Jesus talked about, to one of damnation, where the world will be told something along the lines of "it is too late now". Do any of you have references to JW litterature where they write this? And what are your thoughts. I think it is abhorrent and extremely arrogant. Not that that is something to be surprised about from JW doctrines. I would, however, be surprised if the majority of JW followed this if the GB wanted them to suddenly, as it is so blatantly against the message Jesus tried to convey.

CitizenofEarth

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Pillowgate - John Cedars

by CitizenofEarth in

is this true?

is this really true?!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.

CitizenofEarth

I doubt it is fake since both of them are GB helpers - Ralph Walls and Gary Breaux. Why would Cedars release a fake one, it would only hurt his credibility. Or am i missing something? I don't know - i guess well see the 27th. And how would they fake that, it is clearly not dubbed. Just my take on it.

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Pillowgate - John Cedars

by CitizenofEarth in

is this true?

is this really true?!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.

CitizenofEarth

This is absurd. God or no god - he must be face-palming himself in the extremes right now.

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Pillowgate - John Cedars

by CitizenofEarth in

is this true?

is this really true?!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.

CitizenofEarth

Is this true? Is this really true?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qirjv48C55M

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I am getting disfellowshipped

by CitizenofEarth in

maybe some of you remember me, maybe not.

for general information i am now 19 years old, and living by myself.

for the past 1 year (more like 1.5 years) i have been quietly fading out of the hypocrisy of this organization, but since i still live in the town i grew up in it has been hard, and filled with different challenges.

CitizenofEarth

Hello there

Maybe some of you remember me, maybe not.

For general information i am now 19 years old, and living by myself. For the past 1 year (more like 1.5 years) i have been quietly fading out of the hypocrisy of this organization, but since i still live in the town i grew up in it has been hard, and filled with different challenges. Nonetheless i have been very successful up until last Sunday, where my silent and almost anonymous lifestyle fell apart. I have had two friends since childhood, who i consider my "brothers from another mother", and i would go through hell and worse for them. This feeling is reciprocated. However, they were both disfellowshipped last year - one for having a girlfriend, and the other for french-kissing a girl at a party. I have never had anything going for me in relation to girls, mostly because of my silent persona, and a weird conscience from still present jw mentality. Nonetheless, i chose to ignore them being disfellowshipped, since i would never abandon my friends, and use my friendship against them as a weapon, in order to make them live another lifestyle. I find that kind of behavior abhorrent, hence me completely ignoring them being disfellowshipped. All of us three spent our last vacation with each other in another town far from where i live (the vacation lasting from christmas to after new years), at one of my friends apartment. However, it would seem that some jw's have been stalking us, since it did not even take two days before i got home, to me being chased down by elders in several ways. Calls, my door and them going through my parents to reach me. I have ignored them for over a year with sucess, but since they involved my parents, i decided to show them a minor amount of respect and meet them at a public space (library), where they could explain what they wanted from me. They then told me how i was spotted with two disfellowshipped in another town over 130 km away. Interesting talk ensued, but i basically said that i would not bow under for peer pressure and use my friendship as a weapon against them, and furthermore i would never abandon my true friends. They explained how i was a bad example and a bad influence on the local congregation, whereafter i asked: "How can i be anything to people i havent seen or heard from in over a year?". No comments from their side. Further talking ensued, but my firm stance resulted in them saying that i would get disfellowshipped - they thought this "bomb" would scare me, but my response to this was firm and fast. I will not bow under from this peer pressure and throw my friends away just because they dont live exactly the way i live. This made them rather mad, as they they now see me as hypocritical and without remorse. But i know they have looked for an excuse to disfellowship me for a long time, but since i have been living a clean and silent life they have had nothing on me. This next sunday i will be called into the star chamber, which is why i write this to you guys. Do you have any suggestions for points i could bring forth under the judicial meeting. I know i will get disfellowshipped, but i wont go silent out, and i plan to record it for my family to hear. If i could bring up some valid points i could make show some willing souls what really goes on in there.

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Gerrit Losch Claims JW's Attending College Are Spiritually Weak

by pale.emperor in

https://www.facebook.com/jw.0027/videos/799049613609936/.

the video was posted directly to a pro-jw facebook page.

i cant believe what i'm hearing... actually, nothing surprises be about this cult anymore.. didn't they say to the judge in the arc that they dont discourage college?.

CitizenofEarth

Is there any way i can prove the translation in a way that a witness would accept it. Fx. from witness sources?

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The Biblical reasoning behind a judicial comitee?

by CitizenofEarth in

i was wondering today what i would say if i ever were to be called to a judicial trial in the congregation, and my conclusion was that i didn't really have any biblical defense against it.

so i was wondering what you guys would recommend.

it seems far fetched to me that the bible condones a 1 vs 3 biased trial (where you already have been judged beforehand), instead of one where you have a unbiased judge, a defense and a prosecutor/accuser.

CitizenofEarth

Hello there.

I was wondering today what i would say if i ever were to be called to a judicial trial in the congregation, and my conclusion was that i didn't really have any biblical defense against it. So i was wondering what you guys would recommend. It seems far fetched to me that the Bible condones a 1 vs 3 biased trial (where you already have been judged beforehand), instead of one where you have a unbiased judge, a defense and a prosecutor/accuser. It doesn't add up with fx. the two-witness rule, because where are those witnesses in such a trial.

Lots of confusion about it, and i know some of you know more, and have even tried being judged. Any recommendations appreciated, especially if some of you could show the Bibles perspective - doesn't matter if the Bible is right or wrong. But the Bible would be the only defense i would have in such a situation.

Greetings

Me

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Forcing a meaning?

by CitizenofEarth in

i was looking for the word that jwfacts.com used for "forcing a meaning" into ex.

a scripture.

fx.

CitizenofEarth

Thanks to you all. Eisegesis was exactly the word i was looking for.

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Study with an Elder - propose a question.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. as some of you might remember i am keeping my facade up by "studying" with an elder.

this study however is more of a session where i put hard questions about the org, doctrine and so on, on the table.

the time has come for the next session in a couple of days, and i have quite frankly lost the will to keep digging up things that just shouldn't be happening.

CitizenofEarth

Steve2 - His intentions are praiseworthy, as he considers me his brother and refuses to abandon me. I wouldn’t say the feelings are reciprocated, but I do consider him my friend, as he has helped me when I was younger and needed to get to the meetings. Now I haven’t been to the meetings for almost a year, only once or twice as far as I can recall. The questions I have raised have been some of the heavy ones from jw.facts, and the one with the kangaroos and Noah’s ark, but alas... To no avail. I will not go into a lengthy argument with him, since he is experienced in life, whereas I am only 18 years old. My age is on this point not to my benefit, as my lack of skill in the field of argumentation haven’t been used for more than.. well... A year. Yes – he has read CoC and many others, and have still somehow managed to keep his current mindset. To clarify - he is not a defender of the GB’s actions, but he is a defender of their claim to be the faithful and discreet slave.

I am putting myself through this because it keeps the questioners away. This is the minimal I can do, while keeping my parents. If my parents were forced to shun me it would destroy them completely – why? Well… that is something I can’t share here. I moved out on my own about 40 days ago, still have one more year in my hometown before I move on to further my education, so I am not so inclined to create havoc in my life atm. I do not have a girlfriend, but I do have a friend who is a girl, as I mentioned before in the context of what my daily life interest are - Which was misunderstood as girlfriend (maybe in the future… who am I to know).

My quest is not to win over the Elder, that would be his own choice. He is the strongest and most devout witness in this part of my country, so if he “fell” there would be a small revolution – I do not intend to be a part of a revolution unless they target my life, or the ones I hold dear.