"We are lucky then to have born into a universe that had viable laws". WatonMany people spend their whole lives trying to win the lottery, without realizing they have already won the greatest of all lotteries, the cosmic lottery. Existence may be a once in eternity event. Hopefully not, but if it is, what a privilege we possess!
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A Growing Problem for Materialists
by Sea Breeze inthe famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.
matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.
scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.
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A Growing Problem for Materialists
by Sea Breeze inthe famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.
matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.
scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.
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I think we're veering off from the original question, which was about the origin of information, but in response, I would say that information still exists regardless of whether there is a sentient being to interpret it. TD
The fire Stephen Hawking was alluding to, which bring information or laws to life, may in fact turn out to be something to do with observation.
The narrator of this video concludes "Maybe something is observing the universe into existence, but it does not have to be conscious."
Although you can't rule it out either.
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A Growing Problem for Materialists
by Sea Breeze inthe famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.
matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.
scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.
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Is the unified theory so compelling that it brings about its own existence?” st:
"with the theory, of everything, that would be at the core of all natural laws, would have to come the power, energy the theatre to enact it.
In some form, the energy that was used to make the material universe must have carried instruction how ro shape it with it., or at least the limitation" WatonThe puzzling thing is, there is nothing necessary about the particular laws which govern our world. It is theoretically possible for there to be other universes which have different laws to our own. This leads to the theory that there may be some sort of meta laws which eternally produces universes each of which have their own bylaws. Either that or some sort of selection occurred which chose the specific laws governing our universe.
What you said reminded me of an article I read by Paul Davis
'So is that the end of the story? Can the multiverse provide a complete and closed account of all physical existence? Not quite. The multiverse comes with a lot of baggage, such as an overarching space and time to host all those bangs, a universe-generating mechanism to trigger them, physical fields to populate the universes with material stuff, and a selection of forces to make things happen. Cosmologists embrace these features by envisaging sweeping "meta-laws" that pervade the multiverse and spawn specific bylaws on a universe-by-universe basis. The meta-laws themselves remain unexplained – eternal, immutable transcendent entities that just happen to exist and must simply be accepted as given. In that respect the meta-laws have a similar status to an unexplained transcendent god.'
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/sep/04/stephen-hawking-big-bang-gap
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A Growing Problem for Materialists
by Sea Breeze inthe famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.
matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.
scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.
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I think I get what you are saying TD. Quantum stuff is pretty weird and hard to speak about.
Once this is understood though, it will be the Rosetta Stone for the theory of everything, and not just patio beer talk. Noble Prize winner Richard Feynman called it the "central mystery" of quantum physics.Stephen Hawking described the problem as follows.
“Even if there is only one possible unified theory, it is just a set of rules and equations. What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe? The usual approach of science of constructing a mathematical model cannot answer the questions of why there should be a universe for the model to describe. Why does the universe go to all the bother of existing? Is the unified theory so compelling that it brings about its own existence?”
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A Growing Problem for Materialists
by Sea Breeze inthe famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.
matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.
scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.
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love is worth fighting for Finkelstein. Some would even say it is the best weapon to use against hate. Both are abstract concepts which inform real world behaviour.
Science is very effective in explaining how things work. When it come to questions of existence, why anything such as information or laws exist in the first place? its explanatory tools break down.
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A Growing Problem for Materialists
by Sea Breeze inthe famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.
matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.
scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.
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You can make a theist or spiritualist spin their heard around by asking them to define a god through information.
Logos, (Greek: “word,” “reason,” or “plan”) plural logoi, in ancient Greek philosophy and early Christian theology, the divine reason implicit in the cosmos, ordering it and giving it form and meaning. Although the concept is also found in Indian, Egyptian, and Persian philosophical and theological systems, it became particularly significant in Christian writings and doctrines as a vehicle for conceiving the role of Jesus Christ as the principle of God active in the creation and the continuous structuring of the cosmos and in revealing the divine plan of salvation to human beings. It thus underlies the basic Christian doctrine of the preexistence of Jesus.
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A Growing Problem for Materialists
by Sea Breeze inthe famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.
matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.
scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.
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Below is a link to a series of short interviews where people like Sean Carroll and Alan Guth give their opinions on this topic.
IS INFORMATION THE FOUNDATION OF REALITY?
Could information be the stuff of which everything is made? Information seems so abstract, not a substance or a thing, so how could it be the building blocks of reality? There are ways and reasons how information can literally be reality, some scientists claim, and their ideas are revolutionary.https://www.closertotruth.com/series/information-the-foundation-reality
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A Growing Problem for Materialists
by Sea Breeze inthe famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.
matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.
scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.
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A Growing Problem for Materialists
by Sea Breeze inthe famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.
matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.
scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.
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A Growing Problem for Materialists
by Sea Breeze inthe famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.
matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.
scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.
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After Watson and Crick, we know that genes themselves, within their minute internal structure, are long strings of pure digital information. What is more, they are truly digital, in the full and strong sense of computers and compact disks, not in the weak sense of the nervous system. The genetic code is not a binary code as in computers, nor an eight-level code as in some telephone systems, but a quaternary code, with four symbols. The machine code of the genes is uncannily computerlike. Apart from differences in jargon, the pages of a molecular-biology journal might be interchanged with those of a computer-engineering journal. . . .
Our genetic system, which is the universal system of all life on the planet, is digital to the core. With word-for-word accuracy, you could encode the whole of the New Testament in those parts of the human genome that are at present filled with “junk” DNA – that is, DNA not used, at least in the ordinary way, by the body. Every cell in your body contains the equivalent of forty-six immense data tapes, reeling off digital characters via numerous reading heads working simultaneously. In every cell, these tapes – the chromosomes – contain the same information, but the reading heads in different kinds of cells seek out different parts of the database for their own specialist purposes. . . .
Genes are pure information – information that can be encoded, recoded and decoded, without any degradation or change of meaning. Pure information can be copied and, since it is digital information, the fidelity of the copying can be immense. DNA characters are copied with an accuracy that rivals anything modern engineers can do.
Richard Dawkins, River out of Eden, 16-19