Does the same "approval addict" situation exist in the spousal relationship?
Jehalapeno
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Exiting the JW's and its aftermath Part 2
by Victor inapproval .
as children we have a need to bond with our caregivers or parents.
this bond leads to needing their approval.
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Michael Bloomberg—what’s your opinion of him?
by minimus inand do you think he has a chance to win it all?
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Jehalapeno
Some think trump is not as rich as he claims so he is saving face.
If teddy, Eisenhower, truman, jfk and others could see this they would not believe it.
Go back to the founding fathers and it would be even worse.Why would the founding fathers or Teddy Roosevelt care about income tax filings not being released? US income tax wasn't even around then.
I think Teddy and the founding fathers would see we have a federal income tax and THAT'S what they wouldn't believe.
The founding fathers only had these requirements for someone to be president: a presidential candidate must be a natural born citizen of the United States, a resident for 14 years, and 35 years of age or older.
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Baptisms exceeding 300K last year – a possible reason
by Viva la Vida intwo facts to consider: 1) most baptisms take place during assemblies and conventions; 2) the theocratic year goes from september to august.
my theory: the borg changed the calendar of conventions and assemblies so to concentrate the baptisms in a single theocratic year.
if some conventions used to take place in july/august, for the 2018 series they moved them to september.
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Jehalapeno
Isn't the Borg's reporting year October - September, hence annual meeting in October?
October is the beginning of Q4 in a calendar year. I'm pretty sure it's Oct-Sept.
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King David's Three Choices
by Jehalapeno ineditor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.
these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.
“these are the choices the lord has given you.
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Jehalapeno
God is sovereign and owns us all and answers to no one.
Apostate etymological origins:
Yeah, I'm a runaway slave.
The God of the Bible is an objectively sadistic character that only gives man the choice of "Do as I say or die." That's what terrorists do...it's what sadists do...it's an unacceptable personality trait that doesn't foster genuine loyalty.
It takes away the free will of a man if his only choices are comply or die.
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King David's Three Choices
by Jehalapeno ineditor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.
these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.
“these are the choices the lord has given you.
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Jehalapeno
who would you turn to?
I'd turn to myself. Why do I need to turn to a hypothetical superior being that I can't even prove exists?
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What happens to bethel members who get sick?
by JimmyYoung inso i am sure if you are at bethel and have the flu you just get time or what ever to recover, but what about serious sickness.
say you get cancer or some possible terminal illness?
what happens?.
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Jehalapeno
In my experience, it depends on your length of tenure and, as with all things JW, your position in the organization.
Most bethelites would be sent home packing, especially if they have surviving family members that can take care of them.
But there are some that either they have no family outside of Bethel, or they have been at Bethel for so long and are "heavies".
For example, Karl Adams wife had a stroke and was completely debilitated. She was allowed to stay at Bethel because of who her husband was.
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Exiting the JW's and its aftermath
by Victor inas human beings we are capable of experiencing around 750 emotions.
parents use fear, guilt and shame to control their children to behave and do as they wish.
the jw's are masters at using the same 3 emotions to keep their members in check.
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Jehalapeno
Thank you, Victor.
Very well written.
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Michael Bloomberg—what’s your opinion of him?
by minimus inand do you think he has a chance to win it all?
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Jehalapeno
Bloomberg is a nightmare scenario for those hoping for Trump to get reelected.
Huge war chest plus mainstream media and mainstream Hollywood support.
Bloomberg is basically an authoritarian statist with republican tendencies with a side of hating guns.
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King David's Three Choices
by Jehalapeno ineditor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.
these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.
“these are the choices the lord has given you.
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Jehalapeno
Editor's Note: Found this on Reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.
Consider the three choices God forced upon David for taking a census. These three choices were forced on King David, Not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.
For counting people, Jehovah forced a decision on David that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.
The choices all dealt with the “Way” Jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.
1 Chronicles 21
“These are the choices the Lord has given you. You may choose three years of famine
Imagine what that meant. Famine was going to be a three year project for Jehovah or YHWH. God would cause the crops to fail somehow. Either send a swarm of insects to damage the crops, or cause a disease to damage them.
Then slowly the storehouses would start draining. People would start panicking. After about a year or so, many would start feeling the effects of what Jehovah was doing to them.
Panic would finally rear its head on the face of the parents as they started seeing the hunger pains on the faces of their innocent children. Eventually when food started becoming really scarce, the children would start getting sick. Slowly but surely the lack of food would invite all kinds of sickness and maladies. The infants being the weakest would be the first to die a painful death as a result of famine. Next would be the elderly, and many would start seeing their parents and grandparents go through a horrifying painful death because of the lack of basic food supplies.
Finally, the foundation of the family structure in the nation of Israel was in danger of being exterminated as Husbands started losing wives and wives started losing husbands, leaving thousands of widowed people feeling the pains of the famine all by themselves as they slowly starve to death. How horrific!
The second choice was three months of destruction by the sword. God would send some army to invade the country and start slaughtering children, ripping pregnant women in their homes, killing all the fathers, raping all the young female children, and leaving thousands of children orphans. How wicked is this choice!
The third choice was three days of some type of severe plague. It was going to be worse than any chemical or viral outbreak in human history. Worse than the Black death.
Imagine these three choices forced on you. Imagine you having to choose which killing method would be imposed on thousands upon thousands of unsuspecting children, mothers, fathers, infants. All these people trying their best to do the right thing in raising a God-fearing family, and yet had no idea that the God they worshiped was about to murder them horrifically.
You probably would have calculated the same way David did. Three days is better than three years of famine or three months of the sword. So David picks three days of a plague.
David felt that it was better to fall into the hands of a merciful God. Did David not get it? This was not the character of a “Merciful God”
In three days God slaughters 70,000 people. Around 972 people were dying every hour for the next 72 hours. Imagine if that happened in the area you live. That means that there wasn’t even enough time to figure out what the hell is going on. There wasn’t enough time to bury the dead or even mourn them. 972 people were dying every hour for 72 hours until the total came to 70,000 dead in just three days.
And remember, these were Jehovah’s loyal, faithful worshipers.
King David tried to reason with Jehovah by explaining the situation in such simple terms that a five-year-old child would understand.
Bible quote;
And David said to Jehovah, “I am the one who called for the census! I am the one who has sinned and done wrong! But these people are as innocent as sheep—what have they done?
It did not matter to Jehovah aka YHWH. He forced David to choose the method of killing all these unsuspecting people whose only crime was being part of the Theocratic Nation of Israel.
This is wicked. This is worse than Demonic. This is the an example of a true Psychopath.
Forget 607, forget overlapping generation.
The real question is; why would anyone want to worship this kind of God?
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My husband and I told our families we want to disassociate
by erinee inwell, these stories are always fun, right?
let me share mine.. my husband and have been pimo for 2 years.
inactive for one year.
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Jehalapeno
You could just disassociate by life, rather than by letter.
Live your lives as you see fit, block every elder's phone number that tries to call you, tell them to get the hell off your property and shut the door on them when they try to come by your house, and refuse delivery of any certified letter they try to send you.
That's what we did.
We're still not officially disassociated or disfellowshipped (as far as we know). But word has gotten out we're apostate, so no JW talks to us anyways. The elders never got to the certified letter level, but we did block all their numbers and the one time some elders came by, they were elders that had never known us and I told them, "You must have the wrong house. No one lives here by that name." They knew I was bullsh!tting from the look on their faces, but they couldn't prove it.
If it comes down to it, they'll disassociate you or disfellowship you in absentia. But that doesn't even matter anymore, becuase it's just a bunch of Karens thinking they're doing something against you, when in reality it's nothing more consequential than a jerkhole former employer trying to fire you after you stopped showing up and moved on to another job and just stopped showing up.
Write the letter, if you feel it will be cathartic. But turning it in isn't really going to do anything for you other than acknowledge that you're still following their procedures.
It's been 5 years since we woke up, and it's all behind us. I consider myself an ex-exjw now...I like coming on here to give support to others, but that's the extent of my continued involvement with the cult. Now, it's just an interesting conversation starter at parties when religion comes up. Much less awkward to talk about your former cult with religious people than to talk about how you're an atheist. And usually, if your atheism comes up, they many times understand because of the cult background.
