Posts by Ireneus

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What does the WTS say about Satan?

by Doug Mason in

over the past several months, i have been assembling a study dealing with the life and times of satan, the devil.

it is my intention to release the first draft in a few weeks.. i have provided the draft of the last chapter at:.

http://www.jwstudies.com/pages_174-200.pdf .

Ireneus

Hi Doug,

Details differ according to each culture but essential concept remains the same. You can take Bible as a sample case. Satan is personified and picturized by a snake. Snake is a perfect symbol of ego, and by extension symbol of Satan because it can easily access any place, even in paradise; it is the carrier of poison which symbolizes the final outcome of sensual pleasures. It doesn’t get rooted if a person doesn’t continue to focus on egoistic desires; but gets stronger and stronger if one continues to nourish egoistic desires. This is symbolized by snake having seven heads in some cultures or as ten headed monster in other cultures.

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For those who still think the Bible is useful for arriving at any conclusions about life or anything else!

by doubtfull1799 in

"both read the bible day & night, but thou read black where i read white.".

- william blake.

Ireneus

Bulk of Bible contains untruth; yet this is irrelevant because it contains too precious things, eternal truth such as Mathew 7:12; 25:31-46 where humanism is put above even the concept of God.

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What does the WTS say about Satan?

by Doug Mason in

over the past several months, i have been assembling a study dealing with the life and times of satan, the devil.

it is my intention to release the first draft in a few weeks.. i have provided the draft of the last chapter at:.

http://www.jwstudies.com/pages_174-200.pdf .

Ireneus

Concept of Satan is something that is very interesting if we really understand it. The wise ancient people made it easy by personalizing wasteful qualities into Satan. (Hebrew, Greek root carries the concept of wastefulness as opposed to fruitfulness). Wastefulness is omnipresent in the sense that it is inherent with anything fruitful if its fruitfulness is not made use of. In this sense we can say knot is inherently present in a straight chord if it is used in such a way that a knot appears in it, yet knot is not the part of chord. Knot appears to be real, but it is not. So is the concept of Satan, and the evil he personifies.

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Jewish God Yahweh Originated in Canaanite Vulcan, Says New Theory

by greek in

the cult of yhwh as god of metallurgy originated among semi-nomadic copper smelters between the bronze and iron age, suggests biblical scholar: and he was not worshipped only by jews.. https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium.magazine-jewish-god-yahweh-originated-in-canaanite-vulcan-says-new-theory-1.5992072.

according to amzallag, long before becoming the deity of the israelites, yahweh was a god of metallurgy in the ancient canaanite pantheon, worshipped by smelters and metalworkers throughout the levant, not just by the hebrews.

where did the yhwh cult originate?

Ireneus

That means what happened to ocean happened to God. Proximity to geographical locations determined various naming of ocean which is only one.

Similarly, Israel too adopted a God who was father of all as exclusively belonging to them.

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Yes, its true. God can give us happiness in paradise!

by sinboi in

happiness, sorrow and anger are just our emotions.. god can easily give us happiness by taking away from us the emotions of sorrow and anger.. that will happen immediately after the big a.. when you see your loved ones killed at a, you will be happy.

you no longer has the emotion of sorrow.. no one will scold you as noboby has the emotion of anger.. you will always be happy and smiling.. this is what being perfect means .

you do not label anything as good or bad.. if you are interested, register at your nearest kingdom hall.

Ireneus

The God who kills majority for the sake of a microscopic minority exists only in the imagination of Bible writers who also wrote Joshua stopped sun from revolving till he achieves victory over a war he was fighting. Real God that exists outside the purview of Bible is unconditional love because

1) He has fine-tuned the universe whose too obvious teaching to us is that we must fine-tune our activities to benefit us and others. He has never asked anyone of us to give Him worship or honor; but has given us, on a daily basis, the proof that He doesn’t favor worshippers because they pray to Him nor He punishes those who dishonor Him by denying His very existence. Thus His action proves that He is unconditional love. If humans are going to be killed, that would be because of the arms-merchants of the earth whose ego and greed is greater than the size of universe God has created.

2) God has planted life only on earth which looks almost like a dust-sized particle in comparison with the vast universe (which thus leaves the basis for spirituality that we have no basis for fighting war small or big between individuals or nations (individuals collective) because the earth we reside itself is only dust-sized ruling out the possibility to create an ego for humans and thus to grow it greater than the size of universe.

It is unlikely that Jesus invoked God in his teaching

by Ireneus in

it is unlikely that jesus invoked god in his preaching because his best teaching at mathew 7:12 has no reference of god in it, and the best and biggest illustration which is so clear that more than one interpretation is not possible, found at mathew 25:31-46, too doesn’t have worship-reference to god, but contains only pure humanism.. both the teachings are so obvious to discern from the universe whose main highlight is that it is mostly fine-tuned which lends its the teaching to all who are looking at it: “fine-tune whatever you do—your thinking, your speech, and your deeds in such a way that it benefits you and others, and then perform it because what you do is the energy you send out and all your experiences are the energy that returns, in which god plays no role at all.”.

most of the other things must have been attributed to jesus which have done more of confusion rather than convincing.

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Ireneus

It is unlikely that Jesus invoked God in his preaching because his best teaching at Mathew 7:12 has no reference of God in it, and the best and biggest illustration which is so clear that more than one interpretation is not possible, found at Mathew 25:31-46, too doesn’t have worship-reference to God, but contains only pure humanism.

Both the teachings are so obvious to discern from the universe whose main highlight is that it is mostly fine-tuned which lends its the teaching to all who are looking at it: “Fine-tune whatever you do—your thinking, your speech, and your deeds in such a way that it benefits you and others, and then perform it because what you do is the energy you send out and all your experiences are the energy that returns, in which God plays no role at all.”

Most of the other things must have been attributed to Jesus which have done more of confusion rather than convincing.

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God seems to have alot of failures?

by purrpurr in

for an all powerful, all knowing god it seems most of his plans go awry, so why assume that armageddon/ new system will work?

look at the track record.

... adam and eve... went wrong.

Ireneus

When I carefully read the whole Bible I could easily reach this inescapable conclusion:

Its first chapter says “God made mankind in His image” whereas the rest of the Bible shows “man made God in his own image.”

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What if God never changed the languages

by pleaseresearch in

we have the account of god changing our languages and thus we all separated all over the world.. i wonder how different, maybe even peaceful if god didn't do that.. looking at the story now it seems pathetic that he needed to do this to stop men wanting to reach the heavens to take a sneaky peek at him.

we've been much further than mankind back then could have ever imagined and god isn't visible.. but yeah how different would history have been if this account never happened..

Ireneus

Noah’s flood and the way God put more hardship on Noah’s family by building an ark that took care of over 84 million species (than on the wicked who just got drowned and died in a matter of seconds), and commanding Noah to kill and eat animal flesh—the very animals he commanded him to save … all go to show account doesn’t fit divine inspiration.

Nimrod’s account is an offshoot of Noah’s flood, and with such a memory of global destruction still burning in their mind, it is unlikely that anyone would rebel like the way Nimrod did. It means the whole account including confusing of language is fictional. If such a rebellion really took place, God would naturally deal with it differently--never through confusing of languages which would naturally bring difficulties for billions of unrelated parties.

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How is life better?

by Freedom rocks in

i know this thread has probably been covered in the past but i thought it would be nice for newbies and lurkers and just a reminder to those that left a while ago.. how has your life improved since leaving the cult?

are you happy?

have you made some amazing friends or maybe met an amazing partner in the world?.

Ireneus

Marcus Aurelius said “Life is flux; all is opinion.” So is the case with religion. Since each religion is the offspring of the time, it served some purpose for specific people for their time. Hence established religions are not the way whereas one can follow spiritual laws which are unchangeable. I have found from my experience if I do things that make me happy, and make me feel good they bring the results I want. If I send out the fruits of the spirit (Gal 5:22) they bring back fruits befitting them. It is like we try to learn a new soft ware or to master the use of a smart-phone for the first time. Only when we operate according to the instruction it performs magic for us. These laws work whether we are associating with any religions or not.

After leaving JWs org I am now double conscious of following spiritual laws; and I fully benefit from them.

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Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'

by pleaseresearch in

wow, now this is interesting.. in another interview with his longtime atheist friend, eugenio scalfari, pope francis claims that hell does not exist and that condemned souls just "disappear.

" this is a denial of the 2,000-year-old teaching of the catholic church about the reality of hell and the eternal existence of the soul.. https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/pope-francis-there-no-hell.

Ireneus

Pope Francis is all set to undo certain unproductive concepts. He already declared a portion of Lord’s Prayer is not sensible. May be Prophet Malachi is right about this Pope:

https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/st-malachy-predicted-pope-benedicts-successor-will-be-last-pope-190715001-237789421