Posts by Ireneus

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GB and Moses—an interesting similarity!

by Ireneus in

moses is the symbol of divorcing anyone who acts smarter and exhibits sharper spiritual insight.

his wife, zipporah, daughter of a pagan midianite priest (exodus 2.15-22), was more spiritual and had keener spiritual insight than moses.

on one occasion she averted a disaster by acting promptly (by performing the act of circumcision on their son) thus saving moses from being killed by jehovah’s angel which ultimately helped the israelites’ exodus from egypt.

Ireneus

Moses is the symbol of divorcing anyone who acts smarter and exhibits sharper spiritual insight. His wife, Zipporah, daughter of a pagan Midianite priest (Exodus 2.15-22), was more spiritual and had keener spiritual insight than Moses. On one occasion she averted a disaster by acting promptly (by performing the act of circumcision on their son) thus saving Moses from being killed by Jehovah’s angel which ultimately helped the Israelites’ exodus from Egypt. (Exodus 4:24-26) Yet Moses left her behind before the exodus. (Exodus 18:2) Though it is reported that she later reunited with Moses (may be an interpolated idea) it has no charm in it as Moses had already taken another wife, a "Cushite" or Ethiopian woman. (Numbers 12:1)

This is exactly how GB responded to all those (including former GB member Raymond Franz) who had deeper spiritual insight, hence tried to correct the system from within. No wonder, Jesus tried to undermine religious leaders like Moses whenever opportunity presented itself. (Mathew 19:8) When people brought a prostitute to Jesus and asked: “In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?”…”Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger” signifying “Law is like writings made on the desert sand or like lines drawn in the water, no meaning, is of no use to anyone.” Then he made this revolutionary statement: “Then neither do I condemn you, Go now and stop sinning.” (John 8:1-11)

This explains why we find in the Bible under-currents of schools of thought for and against Law.

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If God’s people can’t see anti-God verses in the Bible

by Ireneus in

if god’s people can’t see anti-god verses in the bible, how can they be god’s people?.

jehovah is the “god of the gentiles also” and “there is no impartiality with god,” says the bible.

(romans 3:29; deuteronomy 10:17).

Ireneus

Hi myelaine

Genesis 1:26 says God is the Father of all human beings—a fact that Bible repeats in many places—such as in Ephesians 4:6 …

“The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth.”—Acts 17:24

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If God’s people can’t see anti-God verses in the Bible

by Ireneus in

if god’s people can’t see anti-god verses in the bible, how can they be god’s people?.

jehovah is the “god of the gentiles also” and “there is no impartiality with god,” says the bible.

(romans 3:29; deuteronomy 10:17).

Ireneus

Drearyweather,

You are right because you are seeing things form Moses' point of view. What I wrote was from Father's view--how a father would treat his children. No father would exalt one child over others, one sex over other sex, one nation over others ...etc.

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If God’s people can’t see anti-God verses in the Bible

by Ireneus in

if god’s people can’t see anti-god verses in the bible, how can they be god’s people?.

jehovah is the “god of the gentiles also” and “there is no impartiality with god,” says the bible.

(romans 3:29; deuteronomy 10:17).

Ireneus

Hi myelaine

I meant the first meaning of the word property [“a thing or things belonging to someone”]. It is the same word my mom’s attorney used in the Court during the hearing of her divorce case saying my dad was treating her as his property, as an object to give him a sensual treat whenever he wanted, not as an individual to be cherished. Judge understood what her attorney meant when he used the word “property.” And she got divorce from my dad, and she has never bothered even to think about him which shows how much she hates someone who used her as his property.

I have also heard some girls using the same word in our college campus to keep away certain selfish boys from them.

Back to your question: “Since love God and love your neighbour as yourself is a distillation of the law, how can obeying that law be a sin against humanity?”

In exalting one nation over others (Deuteronomy 28:1, 10, 13) and even authorizing them to own Gentile people as their slaves "for ever" (Leviticus 25:44-46.), and also in Woman being spoken as the property of men in (1 Corinthians 14:34-35), there is no love of the neighbor—it betrays total disregard for them (which is opposite of love). And also it undermines the primary truth that we are all humans first, children of God. Ultimately, whether we gave a humane treatment to other human beings or not—this is what counts. (Mathew 25:32-46)

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If God’s people can’t see anti-God verses in the Bible

by Ireneus in

if god’s people can’t see anti-god verses in the bible, how can they be god’s people?.

jehovah is the “god of the gentiles also” and “there is no impartiality with god,” says the bible.

(romans 3:29; deuteronomy 10:17).

Ireneus

Moses himself chose a Medianite woman Zipporah (daughter of a pagan priest) and now praising Phinehaz for performing a double murder of a Jew and Medianite woman he chose. This shows Moses had no clarity on any subject which explains all the contradictions and confusions in first 5 books of the Bible. He also knew the potential of woman from his own wife Zipporah. She stayed true to her role as a woman who acted bravely and decisively, not one who is acted upon. She even showed better insight into spiritual matters and averted a disaster by acting promptly (by performing the act of circumcision on their son) thus saving Moses from being killed by Jehovah’s angel which ultimately helped the Israelites’ exodus from Egypt. Yet Moses left her behind before the exodus. This shows Moses formulating the Law in such a way that women are treated as property of men was a deliberate sin (against humanity?). Such religious leaders are the curse of humanity.

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Would you?

by Half banana in

would you join a religion which punishes you if you later on change your mind and choose to leave it?.

would you join a religion which claims to be the only one guided by god and yet has always got their prophetic utterances entirely wrong?.

would you join a religion which changes its beliefs every few years?.

Ireneus

This truth sets us free.

Interesting questions

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If God’s people can’t see anti-God verses in the Bible

by Ireneus in

if god’s people can’t see anti-god verses in the bible, how can they be god’s people?.

jehovah is the “god of the gentiles also” and “there is no impartiality with god,” says the bible.

(romans 3:29; deuteronomy 10:17).

Ireneus

Humbled,

Interesting observation: “Religion is law. It kills one way or another. So we have to leave religion to live well. That’s what l decided.”

God started human family on earth. As Father being the head of the family, no one felt the need to worship their Father. Later distortion started--some felt the need of introducing the subject of worship with a higher class of people taking lead over the lower class—thus exploiting the lower for the livelihood of the higher class. Exploitation in the name of God resulted in some abandoning faith in God. So you are right—religion kills the faithful.

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If God’s people can’t see anti-God verses in the Bible

by Ireneus in

if god’s people can’t see anti-god verses in the bible, how can they be god’s people?.

jehovah is the “god of the gentiles also” and “there is no impartiality with god,” says the bible.

(romans 3:29; deuteronomy 10:17).

Ireneus

If God’s people can’t see anti-God verses in the Bible, how can they be God’s people?

Jehovah is the “God of the Gentiles also” and “there is no impartiality with God,” says the Bible. (Romans 3:29; Deuteronomy 10:17). People are judged on the basis of how humane they were, not on the basis of worship (Mathew 25:31-46) because of the simple truth that everyone is a child of God. This would mean many are anti-God verses in the Bible. To mention a few:

1) Phinehas who performed a double murder when a Jew married a Gentile is praised by Moses. (Numbers 25:6-13)

2) Moses is shown as exalting one nation over others (Deuteronomy 28:1, 10, 13) and even authorizing them to own Gentile people as their slaves "for ever" (Leviticus 25:44-46.)

3) Woman is spoken as the property of men in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.” (Matthew 5:17-18)

According to Jesus, Jewish laws that include laws about woman such as the above should remain until "heaven and earth pass".

People who claim to be God’s own would shudder at such anti-God verses found in the Bible. Yet JWs have no problem in treating each verse of the Bible as inspired of God.

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A thinking man coming to grips with the Bible

by TerryWalstrom in

no ego and no agenda--and yet--a thinking-out-loud tour of what the lasting value ofbiblical teaching might mean.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wwbgo6a2w.

Ireneus

His explanation, on the basis of Jung's studies, about dreams makes sense. I too came to believe in soul and God because of the wonderful mechanism, called dream, within me which happens without my conscious mind being involved.

Interestingly, our actions are intertwined by conscious and sub-conscious mind activities, and it is like we learn driving--we consciously do it while learning driving then we switch to unconsciously driving later. Just like unconscious mind creates motion pictures called dream, it also created my body which is a micro universe--just like the Supreme Soul created the macro universe.

That means through the mechanism called dream, God has provided proof very intimately, in very personalized way, to every human being that there is proof for immortal soul and immortal Supreme Soul, if anyone wants proof.

Good video

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God and even nature are against all practices of mind control

by Ireneus in

most of the people with skin problems have something in common.

they feel their individuality is being threatened somehow and others have power over them as though they are feeling thin-skinned or things as tending to get under their skin.

it is under the skin that our nerves function, and skin is the largest sense-organ which is like a blanket over the whole body, hence is a symbol of protection.

Ireneus

Thank you Ruby456,

Bible speaks about God’s “tender mercies”—an expression I liked very much for which we find proof in the abundant provisions for enjoyment of life. However, such characteristics of God are clouded under the abundance of human inspired verses in the Bible. People who had to replace their damaged organs/limbs with some artificial organs/things in their bodies would remember how nice and at easy they felt when they were with their original organs--as though they were all originally designed with so much care and tender affection.