Vidiot
That’s no problem. It’s like Jesuit being given two meaning in Webster’s—“A member of the Society of Jesus,” and then a negative meaning “a crafty person” which we know it is false.
Ireneus
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Interpretation often takes you away from truth
by Ireneus inyesterday, my classmate was giving an example from her homeland on how people can give various interpretations which have nothing to do with truth.
though studying in the us, she was closely monitoring what was happening in kerala (a small southern state of india), her birth place.
last month saw unprecedent heavy rains wreaking widespread havoc in this small state with huge population (which is much more than australia’s population).
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Influence of Babylon the Great is only increasing
by Ireneus inaccording to jw teaching, babylon the great is the name for all other religions except themselves and predicted its influence over governments would wane in the last days.
yet we find just opposite happening!.
we saw russian government acting against jws, we saw president trump’s swearing in ceremony where church official had central stage ….etc.. here is another sample!
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Ireneus
Bungi Bill,
Yes,very true. Their 100 years of work has produced only a few thousand JWs in India with a population of over 1.3 billion--no drying at all. And even their India Branch office is placed for sale.
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Christendomy pic
by neat blue dog inanybody else think this picture (the top one) from tomorrow's wt study is a little christendomy?
lol.
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Ireneus
The whole picture can be wrong because the account itself is fabricated. According to Jesus' baptism account John saw holy spirit coming on Jesus and Father speaking from Heaven "This is my son whom I have approved."
Yet "When John, who was in prison, heard about the deeds of the Messiah, he sent his disciples to ask him, “Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?” (Mathew 11:2, 3) This shows John never saw holy spirit coming on Jesus nor heard the Father speaking about Jesus.
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Influence of Babylon the Great is only increasing
by Ireneus inaccording to jw teaching, babylon the great is the name for all other religions except themselves and predicted its influence over governments would wane in the last days.
yet we find just opposite happening!.
we saw russian government acting against jws, we saw president trump’s swearing in ceremony where church official had central stage ….etc.. here is another sample!
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Ireneus
According to JW teaching, Babylon the Great is the name for all other religions except themselves and predicted its influence over Governments would wane in the Last Days. Yet we find just opposite happening!
We saw Russian Government acting against JWs, we saw President Trump’s swearing in ceremony where church official had central stage ….etc.
Here is another sample! In a place where Federal Government is Hindu-friendly and State Government is Marxist, nuns are forced to go on strike because their complaints with Police yield no results even when the nun is raped by the Bishop 13 times all because Church officials put great pressure on Government not to pursue the case vigorously.
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala-nuns-join-protest-against-bishop-accused-of-rape-5346820/
Ironically, it happens in a State where Police often acts in haste because of which Policemen even receive death sentence from the Judicial Establishment.
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Interpretation often takes you away from truth
by Ireneus inyesterday, my classmate was giving an example from her homeland on how people can give various interpretations which have nothing to do with truth.
though studying in the us, she was closely monitoring what was happening in kerala (a small southern state of india), her birth place.
last month saw unprecedent heavy rains wreaking widespread havoc in this small state with huge population (which is much more than australia’s population).
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Ireneus
Anders Andersen, I agree with you, yet I disagree with you on myths which are beneficial for the insightful ones. For example, in Genesis 2:17 God is depicted as saying: “You must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” Here the whole stress is on death.
After Adam and Eve ate of that tree, God simply said “because you have done this” you have brought various kinds of sufferings into your life. Here the whole stress is on suffering as resulting from disobedience.
Thus death is not linked to disobedience because death is a natural phenomenon common to all species (millions of them). Death as the result of sin is a later theory Paul developed. This explains why OT prophets and even Jesus did not speak about death as resulting from disobedience. If death really was the result of sinning, the whole Bible would have been filled with verses focusing on this subject, yet OT is completely silent on this seemingly vital subject.
With this background, if we revisit Genesis 2:17 it would make more sense: ‘You must not eat from the tree [symbol of production] of the knowledge of good and evil [evil = absence of good, hence disregard for others, sign of having ego], for when you eat from it [when you enjoy having ego] you will invite various kinds of suffering into your life.’ Instead of saying ‘bringing in ego means bringing in suffering,’ Bible used symbolism. This explains why Bible is filled with verses attributing ego as the source of all kinds of suffering.
In other words, Bible is simply explaining suffering through the means of mythology. Myth, mystery, mysticism …all have the root meaning of ‘measuring out’ from the vast reservoir of knowledge known and unknown. And Greek etymology is all about ‘listening and seeing with ears and eyes shut down’ which means listening what is unsaid and seeing what is unseen.
Thus myths are suggestive of the hidden just like money is the symbol of labor—mental or physical. It is like saying ‘you reap what you sow’ which we all know literally because we experience it in our life. Yet it has a suggestive meaning too. When we see good action producing good results and bad action bad results, it is likely that some would choose to do good repeatedly and discontinue performing bad action; thus they evolve upwardly. Thus cause and effect mechanism is all about upward evolution. But in practice, many evolve downward repeating the same mistakes over and over again. This is because people go by their taste rather than proof. Those who want to know the truth would understand it even without external help, and even when it is in coded language or presented in mysticism. Those who do not want to know the truth would not understand it even with external help, and even when it is presented it in too simple language. Hence the seers used mythologies.
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Want to have fun with a believer? Ask them if they agree with these.....
by stuckinarut2 injust a fun idea inspired by seth andrews latest podcast (the thinking atheist).
ask a believer if they agree with the following statements of faith:.
one should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.. the struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.. one’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.. the freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend.
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Ireneus
Very true
But the problem is this--if they know something what GB teaches is wrong, they will wait for Jehovah.
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Developments in the India Branch
by MaxPayne inthe following letter was read in the congregation today.
it's for all the congregations in india.
i have pasted it as it was.
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Ireneus
Behind the details, it's all about a cry that we don't have enough fund. Yet in how inspiring way the letter is made--I feel envy on their ability to say something and to imply something totally opposite.
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Interpretation often takes you away from truth
by Ireneus inyesterday, my classmate was giving an example from her homeland on how people can give various interpretations which have nothing to do with truth.
though studying in the us, she was closely monitoring what was happening in kerala (a small southern state of india), her birth place.
last month saw unprecedent heavy rains wreaking widespread havoc in this small state with huge population (which is much more than australia’s population).
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EverApostate
"Jehovah killed 70K people because David took a census--This should have been a Natural Plague - unknown that it was caused by microorganisms - for sure."
That's an interesting one I never thought of. It is most probable!
TheWonderofYou,
Wow, what a crowd of pilgrims! and your question is very relevant.
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Interpretation often takes you away from truth
by Ireneus inyesterday, my classmate was giving an example from her homeland on how people can give various interpretations which have nothing to do with truth.
though studying in the us, she was closely monitoring what was happening in kerala (a small southern state of india), her birth place.
last month saw unprecedent heavy rains wreaking widespread havoc in this small state with huge population (which is much more than australia’s population).
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Ireneus
Yesterday, my classmate was giving an example from her homeland on how people can give various interpretations which have nothing to do with truth. Though studying in the US, she was closely monitoring what was happening in Kerala (a small southern State of India), her birth place. Last month saw unprecedent heavy rains wreaking widespread havoc in this small State with huge population (which is much more than Australia’s population). Over 1.4 million people were displaced besides many deaths.
In this State there is a famous pilgrim center called Sabarimala which attracts over 45 million pilgrims every year. Regarding the men-only-policy of this temple, case filed by women’s organization is pending with the Apex Court of India. In view of this case, many interpreted this natural calamity as caused by God’s anger because women wanted entry into this temple whereas others interpreted this calamity as caused by God’s anger because men prevented entry to women with some saying they would not permit women even if Apex Court judges in favor of women.
Yet environmentalists and scientists are sure this havoc was man-made because of widespread anti-environment policies being practiced by the State.
This explains why we find many interpretations on Biblical subjects with the possibility that none of them could be be true.
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do not keep account of the injury?
by Addison0998 ini have a long time “friend” around my age, she and her husband are big sheeple who have been raised to practically worship elders and view their as police angels.
anyways, they recently arranged to have a meeting with the elders to ask for their blessing pretty much to go to a wedding of a relative of hers who is not in the best standing, (she just recently got baptized and her husband was recently reinstated) anyways, the elders told them of course that it was their choice, but warned them that every time they ask for the elders advice on something, it is recorded whether they heeded the advice or not and looked at for things such as ske school, which is a goal they have to do together.
and of course they advised them not to go so they didn’t, especially since they want to go to the ske school, and i guess they only accept people who let people have full control of their lives.
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Ireneus
This because religion is for preaching only, not for practising. Jesus was an exception. Though none of his 72 disciples or his family members accompanied him, he went early morning to a mountain to spend time in conversation with God. (Mark 1:35)