jp, I got one for you:
Signs you are in a cult: Your leader eat humans for entertainment.
Did the memo break your brain or something?
hothabanero
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Trump and the MEMO
by ducatijoe inthose of us here wasting our time trying to show who trump really is .... it's like trying to reason with all those still in the organization.
they have found a new person to fill their heads with lies and control they way they think.
in many ways this ts amazing to me.. i am out of the wbts and free.
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Trump and the MEMO
by ducatijoe inthose of us here wasting our time trying to show who trump really is .... it's like trying to reason with all those still in the organization.
they have found a new person to fill their heads with lies and control they way they think.
in many ways this ts amazing to me.. i am out of the wbts and free.
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hothabanero
no, Reza you dummy.
the opinion of Reza, especially on this day, must count as the least important news in the history of man.
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Trump and the MEMO
by ducatijoe inthose of us here wasting our time trying to show who trump really is .... it's like trying to reason with all those still in the organization.
they have found a new person to fill their heads with lies and control they way they think.
in many ways this ts amazing to me.. i am out of the wbts and free.
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hothabanero
Isn't Reza Aslan a rando guy with a crackpot theory about Jesus who literally ate a human cadaver on CNN?
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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hothabanero
There are different views about panpsychism. Some seriously suggest that rocks and chairs are conscious.
thats cool bro. care about discussion the view I brought up a few pages ago?
That is not a strawman or an exaggeration.
nah. but it is seeking out the weakest version of the argument you can find and run with your favorite tagline. Me? I prefer to keep and open mind and always seek out the strongest form of an argument.If you think that this version of panpsychism is bullshit
you know, there is a spectrum between "bullshit" and "the purest form of gospel". Me? I keep an open mind and don't dismiss ideas I haven't studied carefully, for instance I haven't read articles about this Chalmer guy. Anyway I didn't bring up his ideas you did...
All of it is unscientific, untestable and unfalsifiable.
Cool! we are back to the science. According to the scientists, the integrated information theory is leads to testable predictions. you are saying they are wrong? care to elaborate?
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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hothabanero
It appears that you can only tolerate 'panpsychism lite'.
lol, it appears you can only tolerate strawpanpsychism!
Stick to the science and not what I can/cannot tolerate.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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hothabanero
BTW. here is an example of your shoddy and partial reading of the source. DIRECTLY before the section you quoted is this:
Panpsychism doesn’t necessarily imply that every inanimate object is conscious. “Panpsychists usually don’t take tables and other artifacts to be conscious as a whole,” writes Hedda Hassel Mørch, a philosophy researcher at New York University’s Center for Mind, Brain, and Consciousness, in an email
but nooo you cannot have that. so you seek out the view you like to bash in the article and proceed to bash it, even though it wasn't the point of the article which I brought up.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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hothabanero
no @Cofty, I read the article and found it interesting. I promote one of the views (which I consider more serious) in the article as worthy of consideration by ppl who are genuinely interested in the subject.
you, being desperate to throw out your favorite tagline ("tables are not conscious") ignore the science I refer to (from the article) and jump directly to the single line (NOT related to the science I brought up) and throw that around like it is some great accomplishment on your part.
Care to discuss integrated information theory or not?
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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hothabanero
@cofty: yah I cite the neuroscientist, you cite a philosopher, after bashing philosophers lol.I hope you appreciate the irony LMAO
good luck with your straw man, just don't complain when a creationist attack Darwins ideas about evolution...
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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hothabanero
@cofty: Your right Tononi suggests that IIT lends credence to panpsychism but the quote you just posted says the exact opposite of the conclusion you came to that 'rocks and humans are fundamentally different in terms of consciousness'.
this makes no damn sense. Rocks and humans are fundamentally different (fundamentally different: fundamentally different in terms of Phi) because one has a brain and the other does not, something which is fundamental to Professor Tononis theory.
Are you seriously suggesting that according to his theory a rock and a human are the same in terms of consciousness?
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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hothabanero
@cofty: Actually panpsychism posits that any aggregate - humans or chairs - is conscious in exactly the same way.
Not true. read the article dammit. the entire point of stuff like integrated information is to distinguish conscious systems from those that are not in a scientific manner.
It is nothing but desperation on the part of a few philosophers
proof you didn't read the article which cite neuroscientists...
you are stuck discussing a straw version of the idea. either educate yourself a bit or admit you are not really interested in learning something new...