Fascinating thread. Thanks for starting it @1_Love_Jeff. And thanks for your contribution @David_Jay. Always really interesting to hear your well informed and in depth comments from the Jewish perspective on things.
doubtfull1799
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How did we get from singular ha-Elohim (God) to plural ha-Elohim (judges)?
by I_love_Jeff inread exodus 22:6-8
jps tanakh : 6 when a man gives money or goods to another for safekeeping, and they are stolen from the man’s house if the thief is caught, he shall pay double; 7 if the thief is not caught, the owner of the house shall come near (נקרב) to god (האלהים) that he has not laid hands on the other’s property.
8 in all charges of misappropriation pertaining to an ox, an ***, a sheep, a garment, or any other loss, whereof one party alleges, “this is it” the case of both parties shall come before god (האלהים): he whom god (אלהים ) declares guilty (ַיְר ִשי ֻףן) shall pay double to the other.
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Jonah Letter
by Coded Logic indear brothers and sisters,.
it has come to our attention that many in our ministry are encountering individuals who question the accuracy of the bible on scientific grounds.
for example, they may ask questions such as, how does a snake talk when it has no vocal chords or mouth and lip muscles?
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doubtfull1799
Brilliant - you've just taken apologetics to a whole new level... actually, maybe not! That how crazy it all is....
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The weekly Watchtower LIE
by biblexaminer inwatchtower magazine feb. 2017 study ed.
page 25 paragraph 8. studied at all kingdom halls worldwide in the last week of april 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/who-is-leading-gods-people-today/.
8 in the late 19th century, charles taze russell … zion’s watch tower tract society … with brother russell as president.
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Not to mention this false caption - there was no such things as the GB until the 70's. From 1919-1971 Jehovah's direction was given "through the office of the President." See 1943 Yearbook.
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What do You Think About Hybrid and Electric Cars?
by Village Idiot inbattery technology has been making leaps and bounds in affordability and energy output throughout the past decade.
while pure electric cars currently have limited range, the near future holds prospects for longer ranges.
hybrids, and recently plug in hybrids, have a mileage of up to 50 mpg* giving them a range of 500 miles from a ten gallon gas tank.
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doubtfull1799
I've driven hybrids (Toyota & Lexus) for the last 7 years and love them. For me it's simple: The economy of a diesel but without the rattle & noise. They are so smooth and quiet.
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Toxic Person?
by stuckinarut2 ini read a fantastic quote that applies to the way the society treats those who choose to leave...:.
"when a toxic person can no longer control you, they will try and control how others see you".
just wanted to share....
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doubtfull1799
Great quote. No doubt why the org tries to demonise apostates as "mentally diseased" and "wickedly deceptive"
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Baptism as a Symbol of Dedication - Anther unbiblical doctrine of men
by doubtfull1799 ini'm not sure if this has been discussed before - i did a brief search and couldn't find anything on this particular aspect.. for those atheists who believe it is all nonsense anyway, feel free to ignore this post.
i happen to be of that same persuasion but i still enjoy discussing it on a philosophical level.
its funny how you may have left because of the more "out there" doctrines and chronology etc not making sense and you come to see that they are going "beef the things written", but the longer you're out and the more you think about your old beliefs, even the most common basic or "fundamental" doctrines are also "going beyond the things written.. baptism as a symbol of dedication is a case in point.
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doubtfull1799
I'm not sure if this has been discussed before - I did a brief search and couldn't find anything on this particular aspect.
For those Atheists who believe it is all nonsense anyway, feel free to ignore this post. I happen to be of that same persuasion but I still enjoy discussing it on a philosophical level.
Its funny how you may have left because of the more "out there" doctrines and chronology etc not making sense and you come to see that they are going "beef the things written", but the longer you're out and the more you think about your old beliefs, even the most common basic or "fundamental" doctrines are also "going beyond the things written.
Baptism as a symbol of dedication is a case in point. I cannot find any scriptural support for this idea at all. Every Biblical mention of baptism (by water) is as a symbol of repentance, or acceptance/belief - it has nothing to do with making a vow or dedication. I checked the Insight Book & Reasoning Book entries on Baptism and they confirm as much. So how on earth did we all come to accept such an unbiblical proposition as "truth?" Well indoctrination obviously. But it continues to amaze me how blind I was to it, how manipulated my thinking was, how far the twisting of scripture went....
And this false doctrine is used against us when we wake up - when we leave we are accused denying our baptism because we are breaking our dedication vow. But that is a completely unscriptural accusation as Baptism is not a symbol of any such vow. That is completely a Watchtower Society construct. And of course we know why - THEY want us to dedicate ourselves to do God's will, at least His will as they interpret it for, which really amounts to THEY'RE will. Another tool in their high control methodology.
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JW news release and deception - The "High-Profile Case" in Russia
by jwleaks ini found this interesting bit of news release propaganda by the jws on their website dated april 5, 2017.. "russia's supreme court begins high-profile case against jehovah's witnesses".
https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/supreme-court-begins-case-against-jehovahs-witnesses/.
my interest was piqued by the jw claim that the court hearing is a "high-profile case".
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doubtfull1799
That image is actually from 2006
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Can you believe the opening song at the memorial tonight?!
by Indian Larry indid anybody (who went to the memorial) notice the opening song?.
keep in mind that this is the most important night of the year for the witnesses.
it is supposed to be all about jesus christ.
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doubtfull1799
Great point Indian Larry. Shows their true priority is self praise.
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To those taking a stand and not attending the Memorial tonight
by doubtfull1799 ini salute you.
many of you, like me, are probably under enormous emotional pressure, whether from a lingering false sense of guilt from your indoctrination, whether from "invitations," and assumptions that you'll naturally be coming, or whether from outright emotional blackmail, even begging and pleading.
i am thinking of you whoever you are, all of you, even though i don't know you in person.
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doubtfull1799
@Nathan Natas - Thank you for your comment. And thank you for bringing some perspective to my overly hysterical statement. This obviously wasn't addressed to people like you who have moved on and made peace with the whole situation. I'm sorry if my heart-on-sleeve emotionalism annoyed you.
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Do JW's believe in the concept of neutrality? Apparently not!
by doubtfull1799 in“all of us have a choice.
either we serve jehovah or we serve satan and his demons.
how wise it is to serve jehovah!” - spirits of the dead, p23-4.
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“All of us have a choice. Either we serve Jehovah or we serve Satan and his demons. We cannot do both. How wise it is to serve Jehovah!” - Spirits of the Dead, p23-4
Apparently doing neither is not an option? So they don’t really believe in the concept of neutrality?