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  elder bags.

  by blownaway in

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  not sure if this was every where or just our area, but you could always tell who was big shit top dog in the hall elders by the size of their bag.

  my dad used to call them elder bags.

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  doubtfull1799

  Yep, seen many of those in time! The P.O. usually had the biggest....
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  The great 1914 turn around

  by Sour Grapes in

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  2. beliefs

  i must say there is no other religion in modern times that has lied more to their cult followers than the watchtower company and no more brain dead, gullible cult members than the jdubs.. just three examples.

  when russel was in charge 1914 was prophesied to be the end of the system of things with armageddon and the earthly paradise.

  that didn't happen and poof now 1914 was not the end, oh no, it was the beginning of the end.. the second example, the generation that saw 1914 would not pass away before the end came, which meant in all jdubs minds that paradise had to be here in the late 1990's.

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  You missed 1925 - that was even bigger than 1975.... 75% left after that false prophecy!!!
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  You are NOT alone !

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  this post is mainly for our new forum visitors and members.

  perhaps even those who are just lurking or visiting here but have not yet signed up.

  maybe you are in the initial stages of researching and finding out the earthshattering and life changing information about the religion that you once held dear and called “the truth”.. it can be a very stressful period of time as you realise that your whole foundation has changed and that the people in your life that you call friends or family may not take kindly to the things you have discovered.

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  doubtfull1799

  I second that!
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  Christianity - God and the Scientists

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

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  2. bible

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucz44kqphlo.

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  Good doco - thanks for posting...
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  Spread the word and may the sauce be with you...

  by doubtfull1799 in

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  https://www.gofundme.com/pastafund.

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  Good questions @Listener... I'm sure they will be debated for centuries and each answer will generate schisms and sects. Especially the fat issue - I foresee a great catholic/orthodox split over that one!
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  Proof that naughty watchtower does watch apostate videos

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://youtu.be/f_wvcvooxlo.

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  doubtfull1799

  Can you summaries the proof please? - I just can't watch this channel....
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  Spread the word and may the sauce be with you...

  by doubtfull1799 in

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  https://www.gofundme.com/pastafund.

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  https://www.gofundme.com/pastafund
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  Without god what is the basis of morality?

  by OneEyedJoe in

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  2. beliefs

  i'm sure most here who've questioned or left behind their belief in god have encountered this question - without god, what basis can there be for morality?

  my exwife, when i admitted that i was an atheist, once asked me "if you don't believe in god, what's to stop you from going out and raping and murdering?

  " previously, whenever i got this objection, i would tend to turn it around on the other person with a response along the lines of "if fear of god is the only thing that stops you from murdering, that makes me rather nervous to be around you.

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  Look up the "veil of ignorance." It may not be the answer to a complete moral system without God but its a great starting point IMHO.
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  Without god what is the basis of morality?

  by OneEyedJoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm sure most here who've questioned or left behind their belief in god have encountered this question - without god, what basis can there be for morality?

  my exwife, when i admitted that i was an atheist, once asked me "if you don't believe in god, what's to stop you from going out and raping and murdering?

  " previously, whenever i got this objection, i would tend to turn it around on the other person with a response along the lines of "if fear of god is the only thing that stops you from murdering, that makes me rather nervous to be around you.

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  Christians claim that morality must be absolute, hence a need for God.

  But that is just morality from authority. And it is a poor basis for morality. It assumes the authority is good and perfect, but that may not be the case.

  I would argue that morality is in actual fact always subject, not objective. Even the Bible says so! God says "though shall not kill" but then orders killing by divine decree. IN fact it is his go to solution for most things. So it is claiming that murder is subjective and the authority gets to decide when it is a sin and when it isn't.

  There are many secular ways of forming a moral construct (or foundation if you like) that don't require a God or an authority that I think a better than morality by authority, and even these will shift over time as we continue to understand the world and ourselves better.
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  Climbing Out of The Box

  by Lost in the fog in

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  2. beliefs

  i have been reading the blog of bruce gerencser, a 61 year old evangelical pastor who moved on to being an atheist and humanist.

  his description of climbing out of that box and the reasons why he did so will, i am sure, resonate with many of us on here.

  https://brucegerencser.net/2015/02/danger-box-makes-sense/.

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  doubtfull1799

  Yeah, that was a great little article well written - thanks for sharing!