Posts by tor1500

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So can you pray for others that are not JW's ? Or only JW's

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i'm a witness, so i need to know...can we pray for someone that isn't a jw.

reason i ask, once a friend of mine was going for an operation.

i asked an elder could he pray with her before she goes into the hospital.

tor1500

Hi All,

Again, thanks for your reply. I wasn't asking to find out if I can, I just wanted to know if this was really true. I have good sense (don't ask me why I'm a witness, too long of a story). I know you can pray for others. I listen to what they say from the stage, but I know darn well, most of the stuff they say is not bible based, it's based on MAN'S INTERPRETATION.

JW's have so many rules..they think they aren't Pharisee's but they are. Most of them have a "See Me" personality. They wouldn't do anything for anyone if it's not seen or counted.

Basically, JW's need the permission to BREATHE...Someone on this site started a topic, About Needing structure. Many of the witnesses need structure, left up to their own devices...who knows what they would be doing.

When you really think about it. Some witnesses are are selfish, pious, tattle talers, & so on...Just think how bad they would be if they weren't in there.

I loved all of your replies, they told me what I already knew. You can pray for others, that Elder, was just being an ELDER...I will let his conscience deal with him. I wonder if he remembers me ever asking him to pray with this female...Not a problem.

I'll let the powers that be take care of it....

But how do I keep from Gloating ???? I really want to say to the Elder....you told me that you can't pray for this lady & here it is in Black & White & from your God/Governing Body, saying...Jehovah is pleased when you pray for others....& after that statement was a period..It didn't add a coma & say, Only others that are your brothers, sisters or studies...Oh man I really wanna....

Ok, I'm better...venting...done..

Tor

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So can you pray for others that are not JW's ? Or only JW's

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i'm a witness, so i need to know...can we pray for someone that isn't a jw.

reason i ask, once a friend of mine was going for an operation.

i asked an elder could he pray with her before she goes into the hospital.

tor1500

Hi All,

I love all of your replies....so true...I know a person can pray for themselves. Sometimes it's comforting to have others pray with you, not for you. Of course, that's optional....I just wanted to find out. Our prayers are our own way to communicate to God & to form your own relationship with them.

I think another article will come out to say....Jehovah says it's ok to Pray for others...but what others...this article will explain who the "Others" are.

What I'm really thinking is that they are getting letters from readers & they are asking...Is it true that JW's don't pray for others only other JW's ? So they had to cover their behinds & put something in print to say...No we never said that...OFFICIALLY...

This religion is becoming so transparent because of the Internet....

Hope many who are lurking or just checking out this site realize, that when you are in, the rules change. To the public we seem all warm & fuzzy, but once you get in....another story altogether.

I'm glad I'm not petty. I would love to go to the Elder & also another sister said I couldn't pray for others & say to them...So 'member when you told me that we can't pray for others ?...UMMM...

I'm glad I have my own mind, I even take my own mind into the meetings....I've said some comments that make them go..ummmm...at the end of the meetings, some will come to me & say, that was a nice comment, I never thought of it that way... In my mind, I say to myself...that's your problem, you don't think...

Tor

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So can you pray for others that are not JW's ? Or only JW's

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i'm a witness, so i need to know...can we pray for someone that isn't a jw.

reason i ask, once a friend of mine was going for an operation.

i asked an elder could he pray with her before she goes into the hospital.

tor1500

Hi All,

Went to the meeting last night...finished Job, thank goodness.. Here's what I need to know. I'm a witness, so I need to know...can we pray for someone that isn't a JW. Reason I ask, once a friend of mine was going for an operation. I asked an Elder could he pray with her before she goes into the hospital. We were not at the hall, don't want to give up too much info...JW police, everywhere...anyways, the Elder said, NO, because she isn't a JW or a study, & another sister told me we can't pray for folks (only JW"s). Well, if any of you went to the meeting last night. Praying for Other Pleases Jehovah. It was brought out that God TOLD Job to pray for his friends. So, I'm putting out there...are we or are we not to pray for others that are not exactly like us...The brother mentioned that some folks are too spiritually weak, lost all hope, etc to pray for themselves so we could pray for them...So funny, I looked at the Elder that wouldn't pray with my friend....that blank, rigid neck JW's get when they been doing something that was wrong. I see it all the time. When they disagree or the reasoning the Society gives doesn't line up with the Bible..they get stiff like a board. They don't look to the left or right, just straight ahead. I look at body language when the society is giving some hog wash explanation. The JW's body language says it all or they'll do a little cough...Funny to me.

Anyway, hope to hear from you folks, If not...Thanks for the venting session.

Tor

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Bible Reading Assignment This Week is About THE LEVIATHAN

by xjwsrock in

a brother went on stage and read .

job 41:1-26. jehovah is straight up talking to job about a fire-breathing dragon in this passage.

it was surreal to hear this read without as much as a raised eyebrow in the audience.. here it is: (mind you this is almighty god talking one-on-one with job).

tor1500

Hi All,

They are describing Godzilla with a nose ring...anyone remember the Godzilla series...remember the scales on his or her back...(Hollywood didn't lift up Godzilla's skirt to see if male or female). Yes, maybe it could be a crocodile or alligator, in the beginning of the description, but breathing smoke & fire....Now that's a Dragon....but since JW's can't figure & can't explain, because they are too afraid of the realness of life...it goes over their heads...to say, hey maybe there were dragons & dungeons...

I'm a witness...but I don't live in a fantasy JW world. Many things are not explained....& don't care. Everything can't be explained...& that's ok...We humans have to have the answer to everything. But what is really important is ..WHILE WE ARE HERE ON EARTH....TREAT ONE ANOTHER WELL. LOOK AFTER EACH OTHER...Because knowing all this doesn't really matter, if you need food, clothing & a roof over our heads. If I've learned anything from the bible at all, IS BE GOOD TO OUR FELLOW MAN/WOMAN.

Some JW's & humans have missed that message, altogether....

Tor

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Mid Week Meeting. The book of Job....what does this teach me about Jehovah

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

is it me or are you having a hard time commenting on what does this week's bible reading teach me about jehovah & what points from this week's bible study reading can i use in the field ministry ?

i'm having a hard time commenting because what does job show about jehovah....well, # 1 he allowed job's suffering, but he didn't let satan take his life.

# 2 what scripture could one use in the field ministry regarding the book of job...talking to a householder, see if you don't behave, god's gonna get you....or allow satan to get you.

tor1500

HI All,

Well tonight is our meeting....& the end of the book of Job....thank goodness. I want to thank you all for replying & letting me know I'm not crazy or spiritually weak. Well, maybe a little crazy, because you have to be to survive in this world.

I haven't any comments for Job tonight...so I'll just listen. It's a little easier to comment because....NOW, God is talking...Wonder why he never told Job, it was him, or did it....

Jonah's story ends tonight...I like this story....may comment, or may just contemplate my navel...I have an inny...

Tor

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Mid Week Meeting. The book of Job....what does this teach me about Jehovah

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

is it me or are you having a hard time commenting on what does this week's bible reading teach me about jehovah & what points from this week's bible study reading can i use in the field ministry ?

i'm having a hard time commenting because what does job show about jehovah....well, # 1 he allowed job's suffering, but he didn't let satan take his life.

# 2 what scripture could one use in the field ministry regarding the book of job...talking to a householder, see if you don't behave, god's gonna get you....or allow satan to get you.

tor1500

Hi All,

I loved all of your replies. #####why would anyone want to be reminded of such a horrible story at thier door? there is nothing joyful about ruminating jobs plight in life. This is exactly what I was thinking....what could you show a householder the door that is so positive from JOB....Now if you happen to spend some time with them, maybe you can show them how God, gave everything back to Job....but how long would that take ? What this book will confirm is that GOD can cause & cannot Cause...or should I say ALLOW...

I think it's a good book to show that no matter how you obey God & do what is right.....you're faith will be tested. I think we all think if we do good nothing bad will happen, but that ain't the case.....Jesus was good & looked what he had to go through.

As I mentioned before, I'll be glad when we finish this book...I like Eccl.it's got wise sayings....

I'll come back when I need to vent some more..LOL...This past Sunday's WT...Shun your own family, be Loyal to God first..I think God is saying no such thing...Humans love to shun, 'member when we were little & if someone was different or didn't smell so good, what did we kids do....We would say....Don't talk to so & so, they blah blah blah..so that's humans...Humans love to ostracize, 'member when Aids started...don't touch this person, you can get it if you touch them & so on....

Well, I'll be back soon with some more observations...

Tor

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Mid Week Meeting. The book of Job....what does this teach me about Jehovah

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

is it me or are you having a hard time commenting on what does this week's bible reading teach me about jehovah & what points from this week's bible study reading can i use in the field ministry ?

i'm having a hard time commenting because what does job show about jehovah....well, # 1 he allowed job's suffering, but he didn't let satan take his life.

# 2 what scripture could one use in the field ministry regarding the book of job...talking to a householder, see if you don't behave, god's gonna get you....or allow satan to get you.

tor1500

Hi All,

Is it me or are you having a hard time commenting on What does this week's Bible Reading teach me about Jehovah & what points from this week's Bible Study reading can I use in the field ministry ? I'm having a hard time commenting because what does Job show about Jehovah....well, # 1 he allowed Job's suffering, but he didn't let Satan take his life. # 2 what scripture could one use in the field ministry regarding the book of Job...Talking to a householder, see if you don't behave, God's gonna get you....or allow Satan to get you. Although at times we all go through trials & we do come out a better person.

My thoughts are what does Job teach us about HUMAN NATURE...that would be the better question & a better study. I think many are thinking the same thing....Behind Job's suffering is...Satan & God allowing Satan to attack Job. I do think this is a better book for us to take a look at human behavior when under pressure...Job did what everyone else does who feel they have obeyed God...or at least to the best of their ability. Job lost everything & was in pain...what would any of us do...Complain, just like Job. First he says he won't talk against God, then he says, God, what did I do, I've been good, didn't I do all the right things?

I noticed not too many comments at my hall regarding Job & what this teaches us....Some do have comments but they are the same as the week before...In the back of their minds, I'm wondering if they are saying, Jehovah is behind all of this...what can I say, I can't say....Jehovah caused it...or can I ?

Well, soon we'll be out of this book of Job..I'll be happy...

I do remember one of the verses in Job 37:5:He does great things that are beyond our understanding...& some other stuff we don't understand...But he is God...& he can do what he wants or not. I love God, but not the human portrayal of God..

Just Venting,

Tor

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History of DF - Question

by thedepressedsoul in

from reading crisis of a conscience and members here, i have gathered that df was originally a means to cleanse bethel and stop apostates from spreading their own thinking inside the organization.

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when did it also branch over to sinners that were struggling with an issue that relapsed on multiple occasions?

tor1500

Hi All,

Sorry, typo....I meant to say..John 8:1-12 (old NWT).

Thx,

Tor

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History of DF - Question

by thedepressedsoul in

from reading crisis of a conscience and members here, i have gathered that df was originally a means to cleanse bethel and stop apostates from spreading their own thinking inside the organization.

.

when did it also branch over to sinners that were struggling with an issue that relapsed on multiple occasions?

tor1500

Hi,

Here you go....

This is from the revised NWT: John 8...the scriptures start @ v 12.

8 12 Then Jesus spoke again to them, saying: “I am the light of the world.+ Whoever follows me will by no means walk in darkness, but will possess the light+ of life.” 13 So the Pharisees said to him: “You bear witness about yourself; your witness is not true.” 14 In answer Jesus said to them: “Even if I do bear witness about myself, my witness is true, because I know where I came from and where I am going.+ But you do not know where I came from and where I am going. 15 You judge according to the flesh;*+ I do not judge any man at all. 16 And yet even if I do judge, my judgment is truthful, because I am not alone, but the Father who sent me is with me.+ 17 Also, in your own Law it is written: ‘The witness of two men is true.’+ 18 I am one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.”+ 19 Then they said to him: “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered: “You know neither me nor my Father.+ If you did know me, you would know my Father also.”+ 20 He spoke these words in the treasury+ as he was teaching in the temple. But no one seized him, for his hour had not yet come.+

Now this is from the Older NWT James 8: 1-12: But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At daybreak, however, he again presented himself at the temple, and all the people began coming to him, and he sat down and began to teach them. 3 Now the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught at adultery, and, after standing her in their midst, 4 they said to him: “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of committing adultery. 5 In the Law Moses prescribed for us to stone such sort of women. What, really, do you say?” 6 Of course, they were saying this to put him to the test, in order to have something with which to accuse him. But Jesus bent down and began to write with his finger in the ground. 7 When they persisted in asking him, he straightened up and said to them: “Let the one of YOU that is sinless be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And bending over again he kept on writing in the ground. 9 But those who heard this began going out, one by one, starting with the older men, and he was left alone, and the woman that was in their midst. 10 Straightening up, Jesus said to her: “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11 She said: “No one, sir.” Jesus said: “Neither do I condemn you. Go your way; from now on practice sin no more

Tor

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History of DF - Question

by thedepressedsoul in

from reading crisis of a conscience and members here, i have gathered that df was originally a means to cleanse bethel and stop apostates from spreading their own thinking inside the organization.

.

when did it also branch over to sinners that were struggling with an issue that relapsed on multiple occasions?

tor1500

Hi,

I don't know the history of DF'ing, but what I do know is that it doesn't cleanse anything, it's a form of control. Witnesses use DF'ing for control & other religions use Hell as control. No matter how you slice it, man is always holding something over mankinds head to control & put fear in them.

How is it that JW's don't think the judging someone isn't taking God's job. God sees the whole picture. What right has man to judge another man ? NONE....

I noticed this scripture was removed from the NWT: where they brought a woman to Jesus & said she committed adultery & the crowd wanted her to get her come upp'ins....Jesus leaned down, drew a line in the sand/dirt & said, whoever has not sinned cross this line....Nobody stepped over also, they all left without a word...or as we say now..."Crickets". This scripture is in the old NWT. Why ? Because if you get called in, a person could use that as a defense....I know I would...I would make a copy for all of the brothers at my JC meeting...when they say, do you have anything to say...I'd give out a copy of that scripture to all of them with silence....& leave...or maybe break the silence & say....Oh by the way, this scripture was in our NWT before they revised it...No doubt they would go look it up...& Viola, there it is in black & white....even if I did get DF'd. I'd leave them with something to think about....for a long time...

The more the org. goes mainstream & people hear about DF'ing via internet, no matter how much the org. tries to say how loving DF'ing is....not too many folks are going to sign up for that...& the thing that slows down bible studies & interested person....AIN'T NOBODY STANDING IN LINE TO BE CELEBATE... Most folks still want to have sex, so they feel why join a religion that will shun you because of a natural feeling so they already know the deal...so why sign up, they know what will happen...what's the point.

Tor