Posts by tor1500

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Wachtower study february 20 - the stress factor

by Gorbatchov in

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attending for family reasons, and listen in "oversee" modus to the many comments during the watchtower study.. in my opinion it was a self help article on the subject stress amongst the flock.. leave it all to jehovah and help your self with the bullet points.. what i noticed from the comments is the lot of stress mentioned.

comments after comment they told how they handle their problems.

it is a real toppic amongst them.

tor1500

Hi darksilver,

Video doesn't show...booo whooo...

Thanks anyway,

Tor

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In Your Opinion Do Today's Elders Recognize That The Religion Is BS?

by minimus in

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i always wondered that while i was in especially when i was an elder.

i recognize that some people,elders included are brain-dead.

but do you think that the average older today knows it's all nonsense?

tor1500

@Introvert2,

Thanks, that's how I see. I love men, they are wonderful creatures...but if you observe them instead of trying to change them you'll see how they roll...Men, love to look at women....and women love to look at men...but that is suppressed in the org. Someone told me along time ago, just because you are on a diet doesn't mean you can't look at the menu.

What man wouldn't want to be in the company of a bunch of females...and can talk to them and smell them even if their wife is there...that's a fringe benefit...all these women...awwww...lol...imagine all the pheromone in the hall, it's so intoxicating ....men are visual, that's why in the snow, they won't cancel the meetings, because they want to come to the hall to get their man on...they can look at sister so and so...& say how much he loved her comment...& he is set for the nite, he can now go home and tolerate his wife even be intimate, because he got a glimpse of sister fine....single brothers that are looking but can't find, at least they can come to the hall and smell us sisters even though he may not be a good pick...

I hear you, that's why I would like to leave, I can't preach something that is the truth one day and not the next...I avoid trying to get bible studies..I just go on return visits with folks....like you say, don't want to be responsible for someone else's spiritual well being.....no not me...

Tor

Anyway, thanks for acknowledging me..most folks on here don't bother with me...but that's ok...I get to vent to keep my sanity...plus I think my comments are too long...I try to make them shorter, but I got so much to say, whether right or wrong....LOL

Tor

31

I need some advice please

by JaMu in

i am a non-jw girl dating a jw man for almost 5 years now since end of high school.

most of the relationship has been long distance.

when we started dating, we wanted a serious long term relationship that would end in marriage one day.

tor1500

Hi JaMu,

Read your reply....I think you love him...but I think you have a need here...somehow this male fits your needs. I have been in your shoes many times...wanting men who wanted me but only when they wanted me....from experience they will never appreciate you, you are like one of the boys after a while & if you have a needy personality you'll take the crumbs of attention they give you....

You love him for many reasons one is that he is a challenge...I''m a woman, we love challenges, we love to think we can change the man...NOPE...we are the ones that end of changing...

I think you have made up your mind...everyone here told you what to expect...I'm thinking because you love him and he fills a need in you and you go to the hall, and you see how loving the congregation is...& you'll fall into the love bombing tactic, and say, hey, this religion ain't that bad, the friends are so friendly...& to be honest they are...but in your situation, if you go to the hall with him, don't know what the reaction would be....every Kingdom Hall is different, I've been on this site for a while and some of the stuff the folks talk about never happened at my hall...not to say it doesn't at others....

You are young...& your heart and your hormones are pointing in his direction...Also, ask yourself, is he the only guy that is paying you any attention....and that's why you are so into him?

But from your reply....one of the commenters said it...you just want us to give you the go ahead....but before you came to this site, I think you already made up your mind....you just wanted confirmation...& that's ok...at least you had the sense to ask...Now you know what you are walking into...If you decide to move on with this fellow...and things work out and you either become a witness or an unbelieving wife of a JW,..let me say this first...I wish you the best....but if you find that what most said on here is true....you'll be welcome back with open arms. so don't think if it doesn't work out and you feel alone and no one to talk to...Come back to this site...All are here to help.

Tor

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Wachtower study february 20 - the stress factor

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

attending for family reasons, and listen in "oversee" modus to the many comments during the watchtower study.. in my opinion it was a self help article on the subject stress amongst the flock.. leave it all to jehovah and help your self with the bullet points.. what i noticed from the comments is the lot of stress mentioned.

comments after comment they told how they handle their problems.

it is a real toppic amongst them.

tor1500

Hi,

I wasn't at the meeting nor did I tie in...but I read the article...the problem with witnesses...they don't have the faith they preach about...They give it all away at the doors, and tell other folks to have it....They don't trust Jehovah as much as they say in their comments...

They like the word anxiety...but they don't even know what that means...in the sense of a religious meaning to Anxiety, is at the root one really doesn't trust God...& when that isn't your foundation, you are one of those witnesses are mentally and physically suppressed because of hearing and seeing things in the org. that they can't question sooner or later that takes it's toll...just like someone else mentioned, they are gloom and doom...

When they are in the hall oh, what comments...I trust in Jehovah because blah blah blah blah...all lip service, walk outside the KH and be afraid to walk the street because of the bad bad worldly people..you just said how much you love Jehovah, now you scared of the very neighborhood you live in...come on...

Not saying if you believe in God that you at times won't have any trust issues with God...It's hard to do, because we all want to fix things right away...if God don't do it for us in our time, we push him aside and try to do it ourselves...

Someone on this site described the org. this way...or should I say one of the aspects of the JW's. "It's ok to have questions you can't answer but it's not ok to have answers you can't question" That kind of put how it is in the organization...there is an elephant in the room...I'm now talking to some of the friends...and they know..ttatt....but still stay...Most of them are saying...if the brother says it and it's not in the bible it's most likely his personal opinion...

All of what witnesses suffer from is suppression, even married folks can't watch porno...I told one of the friends, they are not all bad, Some can teach and help keep the marriage spicey....she wasn't going for it...ahhh...too bad..Single folks can't masturbate...can't do nutt'in...but eat...that's all witnesses do is eat....They are imitating the scripture that says in the last days folks will be gluttons...We do anything for a free meal...and bring our own doggy bag....

Most not all witnesses are societies misfits, and that's why they are all in one place...birds of a feather flock together...

I'm trying to figure out how to leave .....love the friends...but, the org, is tossing us around like waves of the sea, new light is now the truth, how can it be the truth if it is constantly changing ?

Am I the only one that see's that? The Truth never changes but people do.

Tor

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I need some advice please

by JaMu in

i am a non-jw girl dating a jw man for almost 5 years now since end of high school.

most of the relationship has been long distance.

when we started dating, we wanted a serious long term relationship that would end in marriage one day.

tor1500

Hi,

Everyone gave you good advice....take it...I know of a situation like yours...don't think it's long distance but this young lady is Muslim, and she was involved with a JW brother...she really likes him...I mean really likes him, he keeps in contact with her...I think he is playing her too..yet, he has a brother that is dating a non-witness girl...

I agree with Nathan...it's the hard truth..

You don't have to settle...we all want what we can't have...men that we can't get we always long for...don't know what that's about...I'm a female...sometimes we want guys that are just not into us. This seems the case with you. I say keep it moving..keep yourself open to meet someone else...and let me tell you this...& I'm talking from experience...go ahead and get someone else...and watch this JW brother come around...that's how people are when you don't want them no more, now they want you...happens all the time..again, this is from experience....

Find someone that is into you...as my best buddy says,...& she has a wonderful hubby..she says, marry or date a person that if they had two grapes and one was bad...your significant other would take the bad grape and give you the good one...that's when you know you may have the right one...

Again, don't settle..be the fruit on the tree that is high up on the tree so that if any man wants you they would have to climb to get you..don't be no low lying fruit..

Think with you head .....your heart sometimes doesn't always make the right choices...

Keep in touch..

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In Your Opinion Do Today's Elders Recognize That The Religion Is BS?

by minimus in

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friends

i always wondered that while i was in especially when i was an elder.

i recognize that some people,elders included are brain-dead.

but do you think that the average older today knows it's all nonsense?

tor1500

@Lostandfound,

Exactly....you are spot on...I know the wives are really doing the work behind the scenes...I know quite a few Elders wives...They are the ones that keep their husbands afloat....

As you say, the org. keeps us busy so we can't question....for me, I'm not that busy...

Most elders are company men...they tight, because if they move to the left or right, they would stumble...Notice how they strut around the hall....backs straighter than a stick...they are so proud....but that's' all they have....in the world they are just another spoke in the wheel, but at the hall...they are top dogs...

You are right there are some elders who try to help others but the problem is that some of the stuff the friends go to the elders for is petty bs...something they could handle themselves...if the congregation would stop all this petty BS...the elders could maybe have a minute to think...

Someone said it must be difficult to sell a product you know doesn't work...I think most Elders know but stick their heads in the sand, but what they don't realize, you can stick your head in the sand, but your butt is still exposed...

Tor

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Last Week I Got A Call From An Elder I Haven't Seen In 20 Years...😳

by minimus in

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while i was at work i got a phone call from an elder i haven't seen in decades!

he started asking me questions about my family, my ex, and told me that he heard i "was no longer in the truth".

i got a little defensive and he quickly picked up on it and assured me his call had nothing to do with checking up on me regarding the religion.

tor1500

Hi,

Add on, reminds me of a male that someone dated a long time ago and they call you....out of the blue...and what's funny they think that person hasn't changed or moved on because at that moment, they had to reach out...

Mimimus, I don't know if that is your real name, but if it is..not to say you are not worthy of a call from someone you met years ago, but if he has a phone book, you are listed under M....wonder if he called everyone from A to & you were the only one to pick up..

He is 70....hang in there with him....he may know ttatt....to be continued.....I hope...

Minimus, I like your comments...

Tor

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In Your Opinion Do Today's Elders Recognize That The Religion Is BS?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i always wondered that while i was in especially when i was an elder.

i recognize that some people,elders included are brain-dead.

but do you think that the average older today knows it's all nonsense?

tor1500

Hi,

Elders have power and power is sexy. Two things that males like power and sex...that's how they are wired. So this is not a sexist statement....men are completely wired differently than women...What man wouldn't want to be a part of a org. where there are tons of women....one of them may be your wife, but you get to cast your eyes on tons of women and not get in trouble, you get to talk to women and not get in trouble....Men are visual...

So all that to say this, many of the elders may see it but why give up bossing females around (ever since the women's lib, they can't boss us around no more)....checking out a bunch of chicks, some even better looking and acting than you wife. As many have said many of the elders have certain types of jobs to be able to serve, so they are more recognized in the hall. All that sex, power and women...BS or not, some are staying... they always saying to reach out for more men...the only way more men will come in is if Women bring them in, and if we do, they gonna want to date us....men are not going to bring in other men into the org....why? because that's competition....all this power and women, they ain't sharing it.

We have nice elders in our congregation, don't know if they know ttatt. They seem happy but overworked. I don't really know them that well, because they are married and I'm single so I don't want to make no waves. So I just keep it to a simple hi and how do you do....sometimes I say a little more, but not much...I'm not afraid of the elders and they know that, so they tend to just be civil to me...I think they know I know ttatt....

Tor

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Last Week I Got A Call From An Elder I Haven't Seen In 20 Years...😳

by minimus in

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friends

while i was at work i got a phone call from an elder i haven't seen in decades!

he started asking me questions about my family, my ex, and told me that he heard i "was no longer in the truth".

i got a little defensive and he quickly picked up on it and assured me his call had nothing to do with checking up on me regarding the religion.

tor1500

Hi,

I kind of agree with Blondie and Orphan Cow, he calls after 20 years. It could be a variety of things...it could be true that he remembers you because you are funny and nice and those type of people you would remember. Or, he is reaching out to bring you back but the first phone call was to feel you out. He felt you were a little hesitant so he backed off....he may not be finished with you. Or, he may be seeing ttatt, too.

There are many reasons folks call you after so many years, it could be that they don't have any friends because of one reason or another they ran them away or...sometimes, folks are just running out of fools. Or he may just want to talk to someone who isn't a JW and not to be judged. OR, maybe just lonely. Hope it's just a rekindling of a nice friendship.

Tor

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I feel like I'm losing my religion/faith

by christina1111 in

i'm a baptized jw...been baptized for 8 years...and throughout the years i've been baptized i see "hypocrisy" so to speak in the religion...when you're new and not baptized that's when the jws want to invite you to every gathering they have, they want to appear like they're your best friend...they want to help you out when needed and so forth...however, once you're baptized you go to the elders for help they don't help you....all they do is gather you around the office...have bibles in hand and so forth...they give you articles as well, instead of physically helping you out....but yet when you weren't baptized they would physically help you out and not throw scriptures and articles in your face.

also when you ask for help and so forth with the bros/sisters they want to throw the "each one must carry his/her own load" scripture at you.....but yet what happened to the scripture of taking care of widows and people who are orphans?.

it's not just one congregation...throughout the 8 years i've been baptized i've been through many kingdom halls...many towns...many states...when i was inactive for awhile i even pretended to not be baptized and just play dumb when the witnesses came to my door...they're much nicer to you when you're not baptized then when you are baptized...why is that?.

tor1500

Hi Christina,

I read all the comments and they are all trying to help you...follow your conscience...and it's ok to lose your religion, but keep your faith...If you believe in God don't let the witness experience take that away from you, if you want to, if you don't believe in God anymore, that's another story, only you can answer that.

You must ask yourself why you are there and what do you want....are you looking for the truth...Christina, hate to bust your bubble there is no truth in a building an organization or in any specific doctrine....the truth is in you, The bible leads you to the truth about you, are you unforgiving, are you quick tempered, do you judge people yet get angry when someone does the same to you...THE TRUTH IS...DO YOU NEED TO CHANGE TO BE A BETTER PERSON...the meat and potatoes of the bible is ....love God and love one another...but that's too simple of humans, we must make it more difficult then it is...stand on one foot and recite the lord's prayer backwards on one foot, yep, that's us humans...ain't happy unless we are challenged.

The truth has led me to the truth about me and how I need to straighten up some things about me, according to God, not man....you will find the org. makes some good points but then you'll see where they make no sense at all and it's only their propaganda...That's where you have to be discerning...I started to see different things even before I got baptized but, I wanted to learn the bible and I did, but I learned it according to the spirit of which it is written...The org. constantly re-writes their bible to fit in words like governing body, body or elders, just rewriting to fit themselves into the picture. Then they tell us that Jesus was talking to all regarding the door to door, but since the org. likes to divide and conquer, certain scriptures apply to this group and certain scriptures apply to that group...phooey....when Jesus or was it Paul sent out the 70, these were supposedly the anointed, so us sheeps ain't gotta go because this scripture wasn't for the sheep, if read in the context.....

Trust your conscience, you see and feel something, then acknowledge it, don't stick your head in the sand and hope it get's better because it won't not unless you put in your slip for full time ministry, and you go out in service more, then they'll love bomb you again, especially after your name is announced as so & so will now be a full time pioneer, oh, they will clap, and then after the meeting, they will be all over you again, you will be included in pioneer stuff, like a secret society, then depending on your personality, you'll start looking down on folks who were once like you....or maybe you won't. But if you want to be loved again...go on put in your pioneer slip, full time slip, no half stepping with the aux. They will be all over you but not for long because you only aux. Yep, if you want them to really pull out the red carpet go for full time...but just remember, that will get old too...the publishers will talk about you too, if you become a pioneer, look at her, she just starting coming to the meetings and out in service now she is a full time pioneer, haters...you will never please the friends, but if that's the type of person you are that is a crowd pleaser and needs validation all the time, for any little thing...then stay a witness..I'm not saying all this to put you down I'm trying to help you help yourself, to find your motives.

I've so outgrown being a witness, I feel my calling is more than just knocking on doors, most of my time is encouraging the congregation, because some of them are so down and out...so for now, I have this delusion that some of them need me, because I'm easy to talk to and don't judge...but again, I feel I have a different calling....I want to leave but yet stay, because I have made some nice conditional friends....for now....if I leave I will miss them but since they were only my friends because I was a witness...to be honest....no lost...I'll be sad, but I did keep my friends that are not witnesses...

Lots of luck on finding your path...as someone said, this site in avail. 24/7....It has helped me in so many ways, I'm not that great of a writer as some are on here, I'm not to phlylosophical as some are here....I'm just say what I say....can't even spell the word...phly....LOL...Again, this is a great site for venting, even if you can't leave the org. right now, you see things, and sometimes you think you are crazy or spiritually weak, this site helps.

Tor (again)