Posts by tor1500

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It seems that many witnesses simply dont care about facts?

by stuckinarut2 in

i often wonder if the current crop of witnesses, especially the youth and younger ones simply don't care about facts?.

i mean for some, even with knowledge of the past scandals, misleading teachings, mistruths, etc etc, they simply don't care.

"it is the truth after all".. they are so intertwined in the operations and activities of the society, that they cant see anything outside of it.

tor1500

@ Half Banana,

Exactly...Ah, I don't think you are a nut, I've read your comments....you are far from it...but for real, most of them I talk to....loony....at first you think they are all right, then you spend time with them and oh boy, you see the real them...I find most of them have certain peculiarities...when going to a restaurant, they have no patience for waiting for the server (I know I know...other folks are like that too)...

I'm a little out there myself and who isn't but my nuttiness is just having fun and joking...but they need meds...and most of them are on meds...they have to be....they have to suppress their thoughts about the org. when they see things that don't line up...You can become nutty too, if you let that suppression take you over....

I don't spend too much time with them because whatever they have I don't want it...I have a nice personality so they try to hang around to drain me....but I've matured...nope...

You are right, the org. attracts the under dogs and nuts, because if they went to other places of worship folks would shun them...mostly run them out....the org. is a place for nuts....birds of a feather flock together...many of the friends, suffer from stuff I never heard of....and they looked it up and know that folks never heard of it before....Most of the friends have emotional problems...here's a thought....when there were lepers and they were in the same place...because they had to be kept away from everyone else because they were contagious &(because they had something in common, something that can't be cured)...so it is with the witnesses...(birds of a feather flock together). So what I've learned so far in this life, whatever we can't cure we colonize it...

Tor

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here's a great jw brain stumper about noah

by nowwhat? in

so noah was a preacher of righteousness.

than how did he warn other pockets of civilizations that were hundreds or thousands of miles away?

and if they were destroyed anyway i thought jehovah only acts after he gives clear warning.. and if there were no other civilzations why the need to destroy the entire earth of every living creature?

tor1500

Hi,

No matter what God can't get rid of bad...1st was Noah, 2nd will be when Satan is tossed into ah...I forget, but only for 1000 yrs...3rd, Satan will be released ....again, this time...we will be refined again regarding BAD...maybe after us being dead so long we forget bad...4th attempt....Paradise...as long as they don't bring back Adam an Eve, because from what I hear, it's a good thing that God isn't bringing them back because the witnesses are going to kick them in the butt...then you have sin all over again...When witnesses told me that Adam and Eve won't be resurrected, I thought to myself....selfish witnesses, they only want their kind to come back...but the more I spoke to witnesses and how they are sooooo angry with Adam and Eve...I think it would be a witch hunt...I said, maybe it's a good thing Jehovah don't bring them back.

But who knows if Adam and Eve will be resurrected....since we forget stuff, witnesses might not remember...because they don't remember anything unless it pertains to them....

I think if you bring this up to a witness they would explain it one or two ways...one, with Jehovah anything is possible...so if there were any other folks in the world...it was Jehovah that had them move to different places....and remember Jehovah can see and hear all...or the other explanation is that the majority of the population was in the surrounding areas, folks didn't travel that far back then....yep, that's how they will explain it...

Noah was a preacher of righteousness....were does it say...he went door to door...his preaching work was building the ark....the ark speaks for itself....if this even happened....

The Bible has a lot of stories in that don't make no sense....but when man wrote it back then he didn't have the foresight to write for the future....only ideas...

You can poke a hole in mostly most stories in the bible....but you can't poke a hole in Love for your fellow man....many of us on this site have been through things in and out of the org....but, if anyone on this site is in need of physical, financial, or mental health, would any of us on here help one another...because don't matter what stories in the bible say...it's good against the bad...what will you do...if you see someone in need are you going to blame the org. for not helping someone in need...because if you are, it's not their fault it's yours...

We can blame someone else for our short comings...

No matter what we ask JW's, stumper questions or not...they ain't waking up...so let'em sleep...

Tor

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I try not to judge people by appearance..

by The Rebel in

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but i am not sure how.. any advice?.

tor1500

Hi,

Judging your ownself, would you like to be judged by YOUR APPEARANCE ONLY. Would you like to be judged without the person even knowing you ?

Things and people are not always what they look like...everyone needs a benefit of the doubt...appearances can be deceiving...

I do know what you mean....sometimes we take folks for face value....if you have trouble judging people by how they appear....all you can do is work on it...what is at the root of this issue...as someone said here...it's natural to judge on appearance...don't be so hard on yourself...you are only human....

Humans do all kind of stuff, we get depressed, we gossip, we judge....those are just human frailties that we all have...it's when you take some of this things to another level...I think we look at ourselves too much... we pick at things in us that is just natural, although being in the org...if you already have issues when the org. finishes with you you will have more and the issues you do have will never be addressed, being a witness doesn't help some feel better...I find trying to encourage a JW...don't even try, the more you try to encourage them the worse they feel about themselves..

Just remember you have to work on it....if it's natural for you to do this it will take time...don't beat yourself up about it....the first step is that you realize it....so now you can attempt to do something about it....if you can or want to....But always remember, if you don't want to be judged by your appearance (because one day you might be going out just to the store, you might just put on a pair of jeans, old shoes, may not even comb your hair, only because you are just running out to the store...now someone sees you...and say, wow is this bum in the store...viola, you were judged by your appearance...they might think you are a robber by your dress, but here you are just running to the store for some milk...

I like what someone said....they saw a middle eastern person with a backpack...I know what they mean, I live in NYC...that's a common site...and of course....there are signs in the subway that say, if you see something say something....so if we judged everyone by appearance, folks would be judged or brought into court, precincts for just the way they look....

It's really the golden rule I'm talk'in about here...

Tor

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It seems that many witnesses simply dont care about facts?

by stuckinarut2 in

i often wonder if the current crop of witnesses, especially the youth and younger ones simply don't care about facts?.

i mean for some, even with knowledge of the past scandals, misleading teachings, mistruths, etc etc, they simply don't care.

"it is the truth after all".. they are so intertwined in the operations and activities of the society, that they cant see anything outside of it.

tor1500

Contin'd,

Also meant to say, because as witnesses we can't talk about anything negative towards the org, so that produces suppression which then turns into depression...many witnesses where depressed before, so now they come into an org. where you have to suppress your thoughts, and questions, so no wonder when you read this site and many others, most are depressed...maybe the org. don't attract folks who are well adjusted...

Tor

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It seems that many witnesses simply dont care about facts?

by stuckinarut2 in

i often wonder if the current crop of witnesses, especially the youth and younger ones simply don't care about facts?.

i mean for some, even with knowledge of the past scandals, misleading teachings, mistruths, etc etc, they simply don't care.

"it is the truth after all".. they are so intertwined in the operations and activities of the society, that they cant see anything outside of it.

tor1500

Hi Landy,

I'm only speaking for myself...I've never had to deal with chronic depression...what am saying is that some feel that being depressed makes points with God....we claim we serve a happy God yet, depressed...there are some who are folks that are and some that say it for show....some JW's just say it to sound religious....oh woe is me....I'm a Christian, woe is me...the world is a terrible place...and these same folks, have all the niceties of life...I have been to their homes and hear of their trips all around the world...not saying all are able to do this...but in my hall, most got it going on....depression for some is an act...some it's real...I'm not heartless, but I know a player when I see one...

Sometimes we have to look at the bigger picture....we that live in the USA are fortunate....so we take certain things that we have for granted...like a big screen TV...most folk will buy that before they buy groceries...most folks would pay their cable bill before their rent...The little gadgets we buy to make like a little easier we think everyone in the world has it....but we have all the comforts of home...& depressed...some of us are lonely, some of us are stuck with a spouse we no longer want to be with, some are stuck in a sexless marriage, some don't want to get married but they want to have sex, so they get married...some get married to the person they grew up in the congregation with because that's all they knew....and now they look up and don't even want to be with the person anymore...but being a JW, 'til death do them part...many are depressed because of the flip flops of doctrine and they do know about the ARC...

So, I'm not doing no penance...I choose not to be depressed...and others can choose too...and some can't...I'm not negating that people don't suffer from depression, I've never met one of those, I've met the ones that when I bring out the positive, I've peeped their card...without pointing a finger....Once a sister said, she felt so guilty because when she comes home from work she is so tired and doesn't have time for her little one...Now here comes me..I say, I know what you mean...but both parents have to work now a days, just to stay afloat...but whatever time you do spend try to make it count...give it your all...even if it's 15 mins...then she says but I still feel guilty...I said, I hear, you, but how guilty would you feel when your child goes to the frig. and there isn't any food for them to eat, because you want to stay home with your child...so now you don't have any money to buy food...how guilty would you feel if your child got sick and you didn't have health insurance...and she couldn't be seen by the doctor...the sister then lowered her head and said, wow, you really put things in perspective...I never thought of that...I said of course not, your boss, never comes to work but she can afford to...so you saw that, & got pulled in...You don't need to be around your child all the time and vise versa...then I said, now if you don't want to work no more. because you really want to full time ministry , just say that...

Again, I'm not putting down being depressed but I'm saying to those who are pretending to be depressed to make points with God...it won't work...as witnesses say, God sees everything...

Tor

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It seems that many witnesses simply dont care about facts?

by stuckinarut2 in

i often wonder if the current crop of witnesses, especially the youth and younger ones simply don't care about facts?.

i mean for some, even with knowledge of the past scandals, misleading teachings, mistruths, etc etc, they simply don't care.

"it is the truth after all".. they are so intertwined in the operations and activities of the society, that they cant see anything outside of it.

tor1500

Hi,

If one cared about facts they wouldn't be a JW... Most JW's have found a place of comfort...they fit...most have chose not to fit into the world...I say chose...because they are just like the people they talk about...it's just that they don't admit so....most that work choose not to be with the other employees....just to stand out and look different...as someone I know...she says, JW's like to be contrary...

If they were honestly seeking the TRUTH, they wouldn't be there...they heard that they are coming back to earth....that's why they seem so peaceful....they ain't afraid of death...because they are coming back...that's a sense of comfort for anyone... because DEATH IS SCARY....to think you may never ever ever return...I confess, that's a scary thought, although, I wasn't around for ages....and I didn't know nothing about it...

I'm a witness, so I see and hear what keeps them there...they appreciate the new understanding...of course they know it may change...many of them say, wow there have been so many changes...isn't wonderful to belong to God's org. and even though he uses imperfect people isn't is wonderful they can admit they made a mistake...that's what I love about the org...what other religion would do that ? You really can tell that this is Jehovah's org...so there you have it folks...I'm on the inside....and this is why you can't wake them up...

Now if you go to them with an observation....they say...wait on Jehovah....I was telling a sister that there is no reason for some of the older friends to have to worry how to get home from the meetings, with so many of us that have cars..told her a story....a older sister needed a ride home...she asked this couple, they said, oh, sorry, we got rid of their car...now maybe at the time that was true...well fast forward...I was coming out of the meeting turned the corner to get my car...who do guess was getting into a car with others...yep, you guessed it the couple...

Facts don't keep anyone in the church...it's how the place they go makes them feel...many come for peace of mind because their home is kaos...some come for the company and a hug every once in a while, they may live alone...so many reasons why people stay places that don't tell the truth...

Why am I still there...I love my congregation as messed up as they are...when they talk gloom and doom I try to tell them something positive...many say they suffer from depression...I said...we all do at times we are human...but when I begin to be depressed, I think of all the blessings I have...first, I'm so called depressed about....uh? just because I can....then I think that if I'm depressed at least I'm depressed in-doors....I can open my refrig, I can lay on my bed...I have heat and hot water...I have a job...TV, cable, cellphone...nice clothes...good health most of the time...health insurance....car...must I go on....How dare I look God in the face and be depressed...

Tor

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God’s name (Jehovah) is so ambiguous to the extent of even supporting The Theory of Evolution!

by venus in

we have been taught that the name jehovah means “he causes to become.” it is interpreted that he causes himself to become whatever needed to accomplish his will—as happened in the case israelites to whom he “caused himself to become” a savior leading them from slavery in egypt.. but there is a problem with this definition.

nobody would use the phrase “cause to become” with regard to himself.

one may say: “i helped him,” (but he won’t say: “i caused myself to become a helper to him.”) “causing myself to become a helper to another person” obviously implies helping nature comes with effort as though it is not in my nature.

tor1500

Hi,

God doesn't have a name...after we are resurrected then maybe he'll tell us... (that's if this story is true).

Why does God have to have a name....doesn't Jesus say there are so many things to tell us, but not now...

God says he causes to become.....what he is saying...I can do whatever I want to do...I'm God, darn it...

Jehovah Witnesses strive so hard to be different so much that they bite off more than they can chew....they have gone beyond the scriptures....there are going to be so many new lights...but it's going to be little by little...they can no longer support their doctrine...people that are not witnesses are poking holes in the JW doctrine...Notice the question from readers...don't think so, the org. is cleaning up some of their misinterpreted doctrines....oh they explain it...but they are noticing that people that are not witnesses can read and are challenging their doctrine...

JW 's use the name Jehovah just to be different to be in the in crowd with God....see we in with God, because we know his name....NOT....

Listen, who cares what God's name is...if he can help me through trouble...he will bring me back to life ....as far as I'm concerned...if he can do these things....he's alright with me...for those who still believe in God, this is what I think...those that don't that's your choice....no judging here...

I have read about evolution and it has it's points but so does the Bible....

No matter what you believe....we are our brothers keeper...

Tor

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EU court upholds an employer's right to ban religious symbols

by careful in

first i should say that i do not like islam for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the moslem treatment of women.

still, the free exercise of anyone's peaceful observance of their religion, including moslems, trumps my personal preferences.

also, living in america, i evidently enjoy a greater degree of religious liberty than i see in recent years in continental europe, something that continues to baffle me.. today the european court of justice, the same group that has stood up for the rights of jws, has decreed that it is ok for employers to ban the wearing of religious symbols among employees.

tor1500

Hi,

I think that you should be able to wear what you want according to your culture....as long as you don't infringe on others...someone said, they like the difference in cultures, I agree...

I'm a witness...I don't wear anything that identifies me as one....I will not wear a pin that say JW.org...being a JW isn't a badge of honor as many witnesses believe...I show by my conduct who I am...I don't want anyone to avoid me because I'm a witness... when I speak with folks it's just about what is fair and right...then they ask me, why are you so even tempered, it seems nothing bothers you...and so on....I share with them why I'm at peace....viola, a couple of minutes I can add to my REPORT CARD TO GOD...LOL...LOL... might even place some literature....say I'm a witness but I'm not a fanatical one...if you like what I say, and want to talk, I'm avail. If you don't like what I say....then I don't worry about it....but when they are interested in the org....I'm very honest....I tell them ..we are imperfect people so don't come to the hall, and think we walk water....we are human,and do messed up stuff just like everyone else...I explain, the love bombing then the DF'ing..and so on, I lay it all out...then it's up to them...see what the JW's do they reel you in without telling you the truth, then they love bomb you then you're so deep in...and you see how they really are....then you are stuck...you have to be a pretty strong person to leave...depending if you care if they care....

Side point...someone said, the NYT picked up this story....so why haven't they picked up the story of child abuse in the org...amazing.....they care more about the outer person more than the lives of children...how is it that gets printed but the many stories of child abuse....too many to ignore....the media is all connected...NYT knows about the ARC....everything is being exposed except the org...

So the question is who is protecting the org...

Tor

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Who can explain why the "Two Witness" rule is wrong, in the simplest term?

by DATA-DOG in

with all the legalese being tossed around, and the expert manipulation on the part of the wtbts, who can explain why the "two witness" is being perverted by the wtbts?

i don't care if you're a bible believer and want to approach this from a biblical standpoint, or if you simply use logic and reason.

how would you explain this subject to a j-dub, or even a non-dub?.

tor1500

Hi LonghairGal,

Exactly, I brought that out earlier, what fool would bring another person to witness them do something wrong...

Didn't Jesus say he came to put an end to the law....and I do remember the ARC asking if the JW's follow the NT or the OT, I think the reply was NT...so if Jesus came to put an end to the law...Deut. is null and void...

What Jesus is saying...your old credit card has expired....yep, you made a lot of bad and good purchases...but I came to pay your credit card in full...and use this new credit card...old one no good...

The 2 witness rule is a weak defense...they think they are saying something...but, if we are in the NT...the OT stuff don't apply anymore...

In the words of Johnny Cochran...if it don't apply let it fly....

Tor

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Scriptures that now have such a different meaning?!

by stuckinarut2 in

it struck me that so many of the scriptures that the society uses to condemn others, can actually apply to them!.

when we read them without the application that the society enforces, they can make you have that "ah-ha!

" moment.... for instance, how about:.

tor1500

Hi Stuckinarut2,

So funny you say that....I've always thought it...the scriptures they use applies to them...that's why they know it so well...

The illustration of the system in the WT...the man and the clay feet, that's the org.. with this ARC thing the feet of clay are breaking up...

The other scripture that comes to mind is that ...they do into widows homes and make them worse then they were...

What about the one that says, if someone is in need don't just wish them well...help them....

I could go on....Oh and one more...the one where the people are tossed to and fro like the waves (doctrine)

one day it's this truth then the next, another truth to replace the other truth that they replaced the other truth...

The org. is doing just what they state others are doing...and they know what they are doing so well...because they do it too...

Tor