Posts by tor1500

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Disfellowshipped people are dead people?

by snugglebunny in

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skimming though my iphone earlier today i came across a fb post - which i now can't find!.

basically it was a claim that a gb member had stated that associating with a disfellowshipped person was akin to sleeping next to a corpse.. so obviously i'm curious as to whether anyone else has come across this..

tor1500

Hi,

The Witnesses are back in the mid-evil days...The still think folks eat blood, they had blood lettings back then because they thought the evilness was in the blood.....

Folks that they DF don't believe in Ba'lam...they just don't believe what the org. is saying about God, or maybe they smoke or whatever human frailties mankind has....Most of the DF'ing that is done, has no grounds....it's for nothing, sex....the very act that brings us here, sex, without it...The Elders wouldn't have anyone to DF, as a matter of fact if it wasn't for sex, the elders wouldn't exist either.....

The witnesses are taking the bible too far....the longer they peer into the more rules and regulations they will see and enforce....they have to re-invent themselves, so there is enough in the bible as a don't, that can keep religions going for decades....

Jesus never DF anyone, many of the rules in the NT, are told by Paul, so he was just giving rules to the places he visited and needed those rules.

DF'ing is just about control, that's all, just like hell is the same control other places of worship use...all to make us good, ain't working....folks are human and like Paul says, he want to do the right thing but he can't....he's conflicted, just like the rest of us...we too want to do good, but sometimes, we are just human...oh yes, and imperfect.

Tor

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Disfellowshipped people are dead people?

by snugglebunny in

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friends

skimming though my iphone earlier today i came across a fb post - which i now can't find!.

basically it was a claim that a gb member had stated that associating with a disfellowshipped person was akin to sleeping next to a corpse.. so obviously i'm curious as to whether anyone else has come across this..

tor1500

Hi,

I'm in....last week the mid week meeting mentioned to reach out to the inactive ones...because they need encouragement...yet not taking a breath it was said....not the DF'd ones but the inactive ones...I know my congregation, that didn't go down well...so DF'd ones don't need no encouragement. They are sent out to lick their own wounds....

I don't bet, but after a while they will run out of inactive ones to bring back, there will be a big campaign to bring them back then it will fizzle out, then....They'll be after the DF'd ones...because as we see the #'s are not what the org. says they are, they will actually have to raise the dead to kick up their numbers...

Again, I'm in the hall, many act like they don't associate with their DF'd family.....OH, my Friends, but they do....many of them it's their children, some are fanatical, but for the most part associate with DF ones...when no one is looking...

The ones that say they don't and how it hurts but they stay loyal to Jehovah....& it takes all I have not to say, isn't there a scripture that says if you don't take care of your family.....I know you all know the one I'm talking about...the ones that say they are being loyal to Jehovah, are just a bunch of pious aholes....thinking they are making points with God....and in the end it will come to bite them in the butt...because if they don't talk to their df'd kids, we all know, that the congregation won't do it...who will look in on them or take care of them...I've read on this site how many DF'd or DA'd children had to take care of their elderly JW parent...not even if they had a JW child...

So, stay tuned....one day...DF'ing may just be a thing of the past...look the Catholics don't burn folks no more...

Tor

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Disfellowshipping decision to go before Canadian Supreme Court

by Simon in

high court will examine whether judicial review applies to membership decisions made by religious groups.

the supreme court of canada has agreed to hear an appeal involving a calgary man who was kicked out of his jehovah's witness church.. randy wall, a real estate agent was "disfellowshipped" from the highwood congregation for being drunk on two occasions and allegedly verbally abusing his wife.. as a result, he says his clients refused to do further business with him, so he argued his property and civil rights were affected.. after losing three internal church appeals of his expulsion, wall made an application with the court of queen's bench in calgary which ordered a hearing to first determine if there was jurisdiction for the court to hear the application.. decisions and appeals.

a judge decided the superior court did have jurisdiction to hear the application.. the church then appealed wall's decision to the alberta court of appeal, which upheld the court of queen's bench, affirming the court has jurisdiction to hear the matter.. one of the three appeal court judges dissented — arguing that congregations are private organizations akin to bridge clubs, whose decisions "are not enforceable promises and have limited, if any, impact outside its small circle.".

tor1500

Hi,

All this I hope will do is show the public more of what goes on inside the org. that the JW's won't tell you about until they love bomb you and you feel this is now your family and so now DF'ing doesn't sound so bad....plus they are in now, too late to turn back, if you do, you'll lose all the connections you made...

So as many have said, it nothing comes of it...at least it may get some more press coverage...maybe more DF'd folks should do what he did...they may not win, but it sure will make a fuss back at the ranch.

Tor

How timely, tonights meeting...Matt. 28:19-20..we can partake (but nobody will see it)

by tor1500 in

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hi,.

i was just reading for tonight's meeting....they mention matt.

28:19-20...it says, go, therefore and make disciples...ok, we are disciples and they also were told to teach the disciples to observe all the things i commanded you to do....that's what those scriptures say....jesus told his disciples to keep doing this in remembrance of me....so since we are now baptized disciples and the command has been passed down because since jesus's death there are more disciples...so we are commanded to observe the teachings of the first disciples so, we can partake..... the scriptures don't point to no anointed but to disciples...& we is disciples now, we took the nestea plunge..... tor .

tor1500

Hi,

I was just reading for tonight's meeting....they mention Matt. 28:19-20...it says, Go, therefore and make disciples...ok, we are disciples and they also were told to teach the disciples to observe all the things I commanded you to do....that's what those scriptures say....Jesus told his disciples to keep doing this in remembrance of me....so since we are now baptized disciples and the command has been passed down because since Jesus's death there are more disciples...so we are commanded to observe the teachings of the first disciples so, we can partake....

The scriptures don't point to no anointed but to disciples...& we is disciples now, we took the Nestea plunge....

Tor

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Russian Ban exposed but not THE ARC...WHY?

by tor1500 in

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just your thoughts....i've been all over this site, everyone says, that if jehovah was backing the org.

then why so many things happen in the org.

child abuse, shunning, and so on....but my question or thought is why is the banning of witnesses all over the media, but the arc isn't wasn't picked up in the media, like this (oh little leaks here and there, but nothing major) nothing like the nyt or any major media venue where the friends would see it and couldn't deny it, even if they wanted to....why does the media care more about banning witnesses than child abuse...i know even if the arc was exposed many of the friends would stay, but would be shamed, because they talked about other religions...or maybe jehovah is bringing the org.

tor1500

@Calebs Airplane,

Now that makes a lot of sense.....that's why they are not in the media for child abuse....they got a hook up.

Thanks

Tor

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Watchtower Corporation Days Are So Numbered, Thank You Information Age!

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i think if we could have a graph of how the change rate of technology has sky rocketed during the last century or perhaps the last three centuries, the point would be clearly made.. say we had a huge graph of technological progress of man since his ability to make fire, about 600,000 years ago, we'd see that a new techno advancement in the species happened every 50,000 years or so, then doubling every so often till we reached the say 14th century then the doubling must have got into high gear, till now in the information age where light speed sets the limits.

now we have information at our finger tips and no need for making a laborious trips to library.

case in point type in jehovah's witnesses in any search engine.. ignorance is in a down turn no matter how hard the governing body demonize higher education, the internet, and whatever.. as this younger generation with information at your finger tips becomes of age no matter how young you get them committed by being baptized, it spells doom for these clowns running this corporation.

tor1500

Hi Freddo,

" In the developed world it is only the depressed and the mentally ill that are buying it. These and a few of the offspring of the depressed, mentally ill and deluded that are already in."

That's the congregations in a nutshell...just look at the demo's we sisters do...always talking to a depressed person, either to come to the hall, or to continue studying, putting their life before coming to the meetings...so depressed...gives the impression that nobody that is balanced is attracted to this religion....that's why I feel so out of placed....I'm not depressed....well, I'm human so at times we all get depressed at one time or another....

Although, some play the depressed card when they are not at the meetings or out in service, then when you hear that they were depressed and was on vacation....how fortunate, to be depressed but have enough dough to travel and other niceties in life....they also play the depressed or mental card to seem holy or broken...because God is the God of the Broken hearted....I'm a witness, so I'm on the inside, and I see the games they play...

The internet just makes more folks informed....the best thing a witness can do while witnessing or conducting a study is tell the truth about the org...oh, not what we talk about but if you do this you will be DF'd and other little tidbits they should know before they get loved bombed...

The org. is leaking from the bottom out,

Tor

16

Russian Ban exposed but not THE ARC...WHY?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

just your thoughts....i've been all over this site, everyone says, that if jehovah was backing the org.

then why so many things happen in the org.

child abuse, shunning, and so on....but my question or thought is why is the banning of witnesses all over the media, but the arc isn't wasn't picked up in the media, like this (oh little leaks here and there, but nothing major) nothing like the nyt or any major media venue where the friends would see it and couldn't deny it, even if they wanted to....why does the media care more about banning witnesses than child abuse...i know even if the arc was exposed many of the friends would stay, but would be shamed, because they talked about other religions...or maybe jehovah is bringing the org.

tor1500

@Dreary,

Got cha.

I'll be more careful....

Tor

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You Can Encourage An Inactive Christian!

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-meeting-workbook/april-2017-mwb/meeting-schedule-apr10-16/encourage-inactive-christian/.

this is part of the clam meeting this week.. how contradictory is it?.

first, they instruct people to avoid inactive ones and to shun them and to treat them the same as da'd or df'd ones, .

tor1500

Hi,

Another reason is because the elders are supposed to visit the inactive ones, but they don't have the time nor the manpower...so they are using the flock to search'em out and find them then tell the elders where to go get'em...and what kind of encouragement will they give them...

The elders are so busy that they can't do all that is required of them....I know they get letters that the congregation doesn't know about....don't think they don't know about the scandals in the org, yet, they have to keep a straight face and business as usual.....if you want to remain in the org...

In a little while...we may be able to talk to the DF'd ones...never say never...the org. wants to bring more sheep in and they can't bring them in and then DF them...folks will talk... I had a friend that was studying, she never told me she was studying to be a witness, she invited me to her baptism, for a while she never mentioned it again, then one day she said, they want me to disassociate with ones who are not witnesses...so she bounced...I wish I did the same thing...me dummy..

I'm a witness, don't pay no mind to what is written, they have to fill up a page...go to the meetings if you like the friends, play the game, but follow your own God...because if this is all true about God and we are going to be judged individually, when it comes to ones turn to stand up, saying you are a Jehovah Witness ain't going to give you know points with God...Jehovah Witness is not a password into Paradise/Heaven.

Tor

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Russian Ban exposed but not THE ARC...WHY?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

just your thoughts....i've been all over this site, everyone says, that if jehovah was backing the org.

then why so many things happen in the org.

child abuse, shunning, and so on....but my question or thought is why is the banning of witnesses all over the media, but the arc isn't wasn't picked up in the media, like this (oh little leaks here and there, but nothing major) nothing like the nyt or any major media venue where the friends would see it and couldn't deny it, even if they wanted to....why does the media care more about banning witnesses than child abuse...i know even if the arc was exposed many of the friends would stay, but would be shamed, because they talked about other religions...or maybe jehovah is bringing the org.

tor1500

Hi All,

Great comments...I like the one where someone at the NYT is a witness or knows someone...here's a thought, could the org. be paying not to have it published...would you put it past them ?

I hear when you say it's not newsworthy, but it depends on the spin of it...Headlines could read....Religion Points finger at other religions...news at 11....that'll wet their appetite...it could be on The Daily Show....like a spoof...ever see Bill Maher....he pokes fun at things like these, even Penn & Teller...

Yes, there are other religions but it only seems that the JW's always in the paper or in court....so they want to be newsworthy...so I say give them what they want...there is a starving reporter out there that could really dig into this story....he or she could make it newsworthy....again, it's all how you spin the story...

People will read anything if the heading grabs their attention....that's what writers do....just look at the writers in the org...very clever....they know how to hold 8 million folks interest....so much so that they are brainwashed...

It's just puzzles me how nothing of the ARC is mentioned...you all make valid points...I also like the comment where the person says, they reap what they sowed...that's true, seems a whole lot of mess is going on Down Under....maybe they thought God can't see down under....

As usual pedophile goes to the back of the line....but no wonder, I'm up late at nite and they have these hot lines with females....and they say you can call them up, at the end of the commercial she says, & I'm 18...Having sex with underage folks will never go away....it's accepted in our society....Men and women are both guilty of it...

I'm a female, and before I was 18 grown men were trying to talk to me....thank goodness for good parents, that would ask, how old is that guy ?....they made me think...I was young so what did I know...See Trump and his child bride and when she gets old, he'll dump her and get someone young again....Getting older can be a bummer for some, they never think, gee, I'm still here....so some folks go out with younger folks to hold back the hand of time, we all know that's one of life's betrayals...

So the ARC will never be exposed, only if the rumor mill of JW's picks it up, and we know, they still won't believe it....but I do know if many of the JW's found out the ARC was true, they would crumble...

Thank you all for your replies....this has always puzzled me and will continue to do so, but won't lose any sleep.

Tor

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Russian Ban exposed but not THE ARC...WHY?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

just your thoughts....i've been all over this site, everyone says, that if jehovah was backing the org.

then why so many things happen in the org.

child abuse, shunning, and so on....but my question or thought is why is the banning of witnesses all over the media, but the arc isn't wasn't picked up in the media, like this (oh little leaks here and there, but nothing major) nothing like the nyt or any major media venue where the friends would see it and couldn't deny it, even if they wanted to....why does the media care more about banning witnesses than child abuse...i know even if the arc was exposed many of the friends would stay, but would be shamed, because they talked about other religions...or maybe jehovah is bringing the org.

tor1500

Hi,

Just your thoughts....I've been all over this site, everyone says, that if Jehovah was backing the org. then why so many things happen in the org. child abuse, shunning, and so on....but my question or thought is why is the Banning of witnesses all over the media, but the ARC isn't wasn't picked up in the media, like this (oh little leaks here and there, but nothing major) Nothing like the NYT or any major media venue where the friends would see it and couldn't deny it, even if they wanted to....why does the media care more about banning witnesses than child abuse...I know even if The ARC was exposed many of the friends would stay, but would be shamed, because they talked about other religions...or maybe Jehovah is bringing the org. to it's arrogant knees....

So here is my question....who is protecting the org. from the real scandals? If it's not Jehovah than who ?

Tor