Posts by tor1500

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The Watchtower's Real Crisis

by JeffT in

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when discussing the watchtowers financial problems, i've generally been of the opinion that they probably are not in a real financial crisis.

i've come to believe that money may be something of an issue, but its wrapped up in a much larger problem.

this came to me this morning when reading about the annual meeting.. i think the society's leadership is just plain out of ideas.

What I think...again, what I Think, doesn't have to be true...I think we have more literature and tools than people. The society has given us so much information, we are on overload....when we the monthly magazine, by the time we get the hang of it to present it....then the next issue is in... The literature chariot is moving faster than the org....

The society ran ahead of the scriptures and at the time, they were ground breaking...nobody could debate them at the time....now, the average person who reads can debate most of their doctrine....the new lights would just be scriptures they read too much into...like my favorite...Michael is Jesus...no way...they have too much back peddling to do regarding the scriptures...they are going to start to make it more simple...

New lights are just stuff they got wrong, (Aka: ran ahead of the scriptures). Also, trying to scale down to show WE ARE IN THE LAST DAYS...YOU CAN TELL BY OUR LITERATURE, JEHOVAH TOLD US NOT TO WRITE TOO MUCH...IT'S THE END...

No more year book,. only because too many folks are drinking the wine and crackers....the # is supposed to go down...but they keep going up....the stories are old as dirt...

Now they don't want us to drag along studies for a long time....but what the real deal is that we are bringing in nuts and misfits...many that are coming in are mental....the org. can't handle mentally ill folks...

It's all about the slight of the hand...

As someone said, they are running out of ideas....nothing new...and they are running out of fools, too.

Tor

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Interesting conversation with JW friend

by Jules Saturn in

i was withh a friend of mine who is a jw still and for whatever reason we started talking the bible.

i asked him about lazarus and how is that when he died he paid the price of sin, but then jesus resurrected him.

and i asked him "where is lazarus today?

tor1500

@ Jules Saturn,

Yep, that's what I see in the scriptures....but I have one of those type of minds....I find if I keep my sense of humor I can get through this JW thing....

When you come to think of it..nobody wants to die....nobody wants to live so long and be in pain and can't enjoy life but if God/Jesus could bring us back and we could be naked and happy again...why not?

Regarding the mouth to mouth I see in the bible...don't pay me any attention...I like this site because I can say it...can't say it in the hall, even if they find it funny, they'll say, You funny...but what they are really saying....You are not funny...

Just having some fun with the scriptures...

Tor

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Interesting conversation with JW friend

by Jules Saturn in

i was withh a friend of mine who is a jw still and for whatever reason we started talking the bible.

i asked him about lazarus and how is that when he died he paid the price of sin, but then jesus resurrected him.

and i asked him "where is lazarus today?

tor1500

Hi,

I can explain Acts 20:9...This is the first mouth to mouth resuscitation....performed by Paul...isn't there another incident in the bible where someone dies and someone lays on them 3 times and they get up...ah, found it...1Kings 17:21-22, Then he stretched himself out over the child three times and called out to Jehovah: “O Jehovah my God, please, let this child’s life* come back into him.” 22 Jehovah listened to E·liʹjah’s request,+ and the life* of the child came back into him, and he revived.*+, now if that don't sound like mouth to mouth resuscitation, I don't know what does...

To me there is nothing doctrinal that will stumble a witness the only thing that will stumble a witness is another witness...only when a witness is mistreated will they acknowledge anything wrong in the society..it's the thief that screams the loudest....

Tor

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Are there any KH in Israel????

by James Mixon in

curious , i was thinking about serving where the need is great..that would be a hard sale, that would be like me setting up a lemonade stand at the gate of a kkk rally...

tor1500

@James Mixon,

This shows they don't care if it's the truth or not...it's a place where everybody knows your name...

The History is right there...but I bet many of them researched many things, but won't talk about it...

Most JW's are inbred...it's a social club...their doctrine flips and flops...so they know it's the truth...NOW, until a new light...if they were really interested in the truth...Well, folks I'll let you finish that sentence....

I would love to be able to visit that part of the world to find out the real deal...

Tor

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Are there any KH in Israel????

by James Mixon in

curious , i was thinking about serving where the need is great..that would be a hard sale, that would be like me setting up a lemonade stand at the gate of a kkk rally...

tor1500

HI,

Having a KH in Israel would be too close to the truth...it would dispel all the FDS class would have to say...Too much real history in Israel...

We would really find out when Babylon was destroyed...

Tor

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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.

just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.

tor1500

HI,

My favorite would be Michael is Jesus...So I would ask, Jesus is Michael the Archangel too? Ok, how would you explain this scripture from Heb.1:The Son was made greater than the angels, just as the name that God gave him is greater than theirs. 5 For God never said to any of his angels, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.”Nor did God say about any angel,“I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.” 6 But when God was about to send his first-born Son into the world, he said, “All of God's angels must worship him.” 7 But about the angels God said, “God makes his angels winds, and his servants flames of fire.”8 About the Son, however, God said:“Your kingdom, O God, will last[a] forever and ever! You rule over your[b] people with justice. 9 You love what is right and hate what is wrong.That is why God, your God, has chosen you and has given you the joy of an honor far greater than he gave to your companions.” I copied this scripture from the Good News bible...real simple to understand...even if you use NWT, it says the same thing...

I think this Michael/Jesus thing is eventually going to be dropped...These scriptures in Hebrews are very clear...I believe they explained it in the reasoning book...but we don't really use that book anymore...

I have others, but don't want to write too much so nobody will read it.

Tor

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JW's are S.O.B's

by James Mixon in

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i didn't say it, it was the president....

tor1500

Hi,

I was thinking to myself, how the witnesses (I'm one but...) love the fact that the flag was not saluted. You may now see witness carts by the entrance of the players, not the fans...what a hoot...

I love this country as well...but I worship God but respect our country...God bless America, but you got to watch that statement...suppose you move to another country, so now you don't have God's blessing because you left it in America...I say God bless the world...the entire world is in a mess...

I don't know if I read it here but someone said, I'm not a nationalist but an Internationalist, because nationalism promotes war...

I love this country because you can do pretty much what you want...most folks come to the US for the $$$$...and if you want our money you can stand or sit for the anthem...

Trump has a lot of nerve...JUST LOOK AT HIS HAIR...'nuf said...

Tor

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What exactly is grieving gods Holy Spirit?

by Chook in

i had an elder tell me once i was grieving holy spirit but i’m not sure how this dickhead knew..

tor1500

Hi,

John 14:26:But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you...So the Holy Spirit is a helper and teaches all things, like Jesus did. So in my mind...grieving the holy spirit is making the Jehovah and Jesus said....but the holy spirit is a force, so maybe if you stop the force from happening....then you grieving it...what about when they use the illustration that holy spirit is invisible like the wind...we don't see the wind but we see the affects of the wind blowing...trees, etc....so if we stop the wind from blowing...we grieving the force...ummm...

The Holy Spirit to me is that the spirit does what we can't do....holy spirit gives you the strength to do the impossible...that's why we have to ask for it...

The only time witnesses call on the Holy Spirit is when they comment on calling on the Holy Spirit...why I know, because most of the witnesses I know don't remember a darn thing...don't even remember the comment they made...

Since so many have a different opinion of what the holy spirit is or who....Who Knows????

Tor

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New, but needed to vent- thank you :-)

by Danni Jackson in

i discovered your website this morning as i was trying to find some information about 'marking'.

you see a very close friend of mine was 'marked' earlier this week and as i know the ins and outs of the situation (as we are close friends) i disregarded the talk immediately as i know my friend is obviously having issues but is no way a 'danger' to anybody else's spiritual health.

basically they are dating a non-believer- hence the talk.

tor1500

Hi Danni Jackson,

I read your post...welcome..you are in the right place...this is where you can vent and not get in trouble...don't tell too much of where and who and not too many situations, there are lurkers here and some may be in your own backyard....

All I'm going to say is....Love God...many have made the mistake of loving the org. more than God/Jesus themselves, so when something happens, we blame God...it's the messengers we should be angry with. How many times have you read....Do not judge or you will be judged...no one in the org. has a right to pass judgment on any one...aren't they the ones that brought up if you point a finger how many are pointing back at you?

All religions think they are right....that's why you read the bible for yourself....the only thing places of worship gives you are the pieces to the spiritual puzzle YOU have to put it together for yourself...Most single parents get hooked by the love or conditional love in the org. being that single parents feel they are alone in raising their children...and yes Mr & Mrs. Loving will do it for a while, then when a new person of interest comes in...they will drop you like a hot potato...there is a scripture in the bible where it talks about these religious folks coming into widows homes and making feel worse and more guilty....I forget the passage....

The longer you stay the more you will see and hear do as I say not as I do....many are in there because it provides a social life and at the same time they feel that they are working for Jehovah....someone on here said because they attend meetings, go out in service and whatever else they do...basically being seen, it makes them seem more spiritual....just like in the workplace....you don't have to actually do anything just be seen. Remember this is an org. with characteristics of a working place with the same tiers as a job has....everyone wants the ear of the CEO (GB's)...

I am a witness too...not that long myself...I have been there long enough to read the bible with them at least twice...I think I got the jist of the bible....now I can talk to people of any denomination and know for myself what the bible really says, not what the org. says it says...see that's the revelation right there...the truth will lead you to the truth...if you are open to it..that's what happened to me...God allowed me to see the truth, not thru the org. eyes but for myself....so I've been awake for a long time...

When I talk to the friends, I don't try to change them just plant a seed of love...many feel that they are going thru so much, but I let them know...don't you think your neighbors are going thru the same things we are, we pay rent, so do they, they pay bills, so do we...just because we are witnesses doesn't mean we are the only ones in life going thru anything..

What about the hurricanes and earthquakes, everyone that lives in those places are effected not just witnesses...how can they be so narrow minded....that's the problem...they are narrow...

I could go on but ...won't...

Don't be mad at God/Jesus....they didn't do nothing to you...direct your anger or whatever where it belongs...MAN....

TOR

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Saying hello for first time

by pimojw in

i have been sneakily looking at this forum, almost every day, ever since it began!

it has taken me till now to actually register and contribute.

(actually i did register with a different name in the beginning but never commented).. i am a pimo elder with a fairly long history of senior "positions" in the organization.

tor1500

Hi PimoJW, again,

Don't let the org. make you lose faith...they are only man...The bible tells you who God/Jesus really are...Don't be angry with God because of some men...that's the test right there....I know you know this...I think for JW's it's the hardest thing to take our own advice...we tell everyone to have faith and become bible teachers, but we don't believe what we teach...it's easy to be a teacher of the bible, because it makes you look spiritual...I know many bible teachers, they teach but can't nor won't do what they teach....that's why many want a bible student, just to look more spiritual...yet many hope not to get one, because having a bible student is just like having a child...you have to be there all the time...because the org. is bringing in misfits and needy folks...they are attracting what's already in there...the blind leading the blind...

Again, if you still believe, then believe...drink some of the kool-aide and spit what you don't need out...

As a human being you know what is right and what is wrong...trust yourself...yes even your understanding, but don't forget to not think so much of yourself...many witnesses are just witnesses just because it's a badge of honor, many just don't have any identity...many believe they are carrying Jehovah's name...like a female carrying her mates name...REALLY ?

Tor