Posts by tor1500

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How the org will spin the Midweek meeting about Child Abuse in Australia

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

luke 21:11 says:there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences;+ and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.

but verse 12 says:but before all these things happen, people will lay their hands on you and persecute you,+ handing you over to the synagogues and prisons.

you will be brought before kings and governors for the sake of my name.

tor1500

Hi All,

You all say don't give them ideas...LOL LOL..as crazyguy says, they get all their best stuff here...Of course they do...where to you think they get the NEW LIGHT from...NON-Witness websites.. They see it but sometimes very stubborn to change it...but then it comes a time, they can't fight their way out the corner that they painted themselves into...so they have to surrender...so they call it new light when in reality...it's right off the internet...

Most of the congregation is so happy with new lights...they say, how humble the society is to correct themselves...but if you say, well today's truth may one day be false...crickets...

Since I'm a newbie, yet I see a lot of things that ones that have been in for years don't...I think it's many things that keep them in, but one reason is...THEY NEED TO BELONG & TOLD WHAT TO DO...

Tor

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How the org will spin the Midweek meeting about Child Abuse in Australia

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

luke 21:11 says:there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences;+ and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.

but verse 12 says:but before all these things happen, people will lay their hands on you and persecute you,+ handing you over to the synagogues and prisons.

you will be brought before kings and governors for the sake of my name.

tor1500

@ Pale.Emperor,

So true, & much more simpler explanation then mine was...

Do you think the JW's are that....duh?

Stupid question...they have been up to this time...the scriptures clearly say...none of this will happen until they are persecuted...Right?

Tor

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How the org will spin the Midweek meeting about Child Abuse in Australia

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

luke 21:11 says:there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences;+ and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.

but verse 12 says:but before all these things happen, people will lay their hands on you and persecute you,+ handing you over to the synagogues and prisons.

you will be brought before kings and governors for the sake of my name.

tor1500

Hi All,

Luke 21:11 says:There will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences;+ and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs. But verse 12 says:But before all these things happen, people will lay their hands on you and persecute you,+ handing you over to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and governors for the sake of my name.

So I think I figured out how they are going to play out this ARC scenario for the Society, just in case many of us have heard about it but the org. hasn't said anything about it yet...

1. They show the video of child abuse in Australia (this part is to let you know they know some of us know about the ARC).

2.Now we know the org. sympathizes with child abuse.

3. Now Luke 21:11 talks about the signs, yet Luke 2:12, says these signs will not happen until the people lay hands on you & persecute you, handling you over to the synagogues & prisons. Blah blah blah..

4. Many of the friends will say or think we haven't been persecuted or handed over as of yet...so...Here's where the Society starts the spin..

5. Org. says, Oh yes, many of you have no knowledge of the current child abuse situation, & we didn't want to alarm the friends into a panic. This has been going on for quite some time again, we wanted to keep it from you friends...we know how much this system is such a burden on the friends...we thought we could handle it without burdening the friends.

6. For a while now the Australian gov't/courts system has been persecuting the JW's. We don't know how this is going to play out but we want to let you know we may be persecuted & be put in prison, but no matter we will keep our integrity & uphold Jehovah's sovereignty....

7. Why are we being persecuted? Satan knows we are living in the end too..So he has motivated some spiritually weak friends to accuse the org. of child abuse, knowing about it & hiding it.

8. We are trying to fight it, but they are just accusations. The Society abhors child abuse now & always have.

9. The society put out a video the week of 9/12 about how empathetic we are about child abuse. We don't tolerate child abuse in the org.

The friends will eat it up... because most of them are brain dead...they will say....you see the Society never hides anything from us.

The final step is...So to fight this good fight we are asking for your prayers & your financial support to fight off Satans' attack..

So guys what do you think...this is all made-up...but I thought it was good...

Tor

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Midweek meeting video

by aboveusonlysky in

did anybody see the service meeting video this week?.

australian sister was sexually abused as a child and thought of ending her life at 14 years old, sometime later jw's call on her father who accepts a study and eventually the whole family becomes witnesses, life gets much better as the sister immerses herself in pioneering etc, she still has some dark days but prayer along with going for walks and swimming has helped her cope with bad memories of child abuse, the new system (just around the corner) will completely fix everything......... i'm dumbfounded, the hypocrisy has literally rendered me speechless......comments anybody?.

tor1500

Hi,

I'm going to run up the middle with a thought here...Being GB's/FDS is all male...aka: Men's club. Would nothing be done just because the abusers are MEN, too. If the any of the abusers were females...how do any of you think this would play out? Most of abusers are men...& it took years for this to really be a crime or even looked at. Is it a case of the fact, it's men doing it & so men won't persecute their own. Like the case what goes on in Vegas, stays in Vegas...

It took years for them to expose the Catholic religion...do you think it will take as long or longer for the JW's or if they will ever be exposed.

Tor

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Midweek meeting video

by aboveusonlysky in

did anybody see the service meeting video this week?.

australian sister was sexually abused as a child and thought of ending her life at 14 years old, sometime later jw's call on her father who accepts a study and eventually the whole family becomes witnesses, life gets much better as the sister immerses herself in pioneering etc, she still has some dark days but prayer along with going for walks and swimming has helped her cope with bad memories of child abuse, the new system (just around the corner) will completely fix everything......... i'm dumbfounded, the hypocrisy has literally rendered me speechless......comments anybody?.

tor1500

Hi,

I saw the video, Australia, really? So, they went to Australia to show a sister that WAS abused, not while in the org. but before she became a witness...so what's the point...the point is that the org. is trying to show they are empathetic to people who have been abused sexually as a child. OK, that's nice, what about people that are abused IN THE ORG. BY PEOPLE IN THE ORG. Talk about covering their behinds. The very place the org. is under investigation for pedophile they decide to find a sister who was abused. UH? Many people do know about the ARC, but don't want to be shunned. It has leaked out....the more they don't talk about it the more I know they know. We all know news travel fast in JW world...telephone, telegraph, tela'witness...

I think another reason many don't mention it...because they are embarrassed, too busy talking about others & they are guilty of the same thing...a person/org. has to be mighty humble to admit this... Reminds me of a marriage counselor, that can save everyone's marriage but their own... I also think that they had to mention Australia at least once...because so much is leaked about it. So the org. can't just ignore it.

The org. is up to something....stay tuned.

Tor

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To all former Elders – what are your thoughts

by Tallon in

if you were part of a judicial committee, and knowing what you know now, what was it like for you to sit on jc’s?

how did you feel if someone was reproved or df’d?

were you ever on a jc and you disagreed with someone being reproved or df’d and were overruled – how did you feel?

tor1500

Hi,

I know about that scripture, but I just found 37 scriptures that are not about the only believers..I think Jesus was telling us to look at our own sin before judging someone else.

Didn't judging someone else pricked at ones conscience ? I'm a newbie, & I know it's wrong for anyone to judge anyone else..who am I ? Maybe we can correct a person but judge ....Nah....what about the scripture that says if you have a plank in your eye, take yours out before you see someone else's plank...being we are all imperfect, I just don't get how one could sleep at night. Just because there were an elder doesn't mean they are perfect....

Even if Jehovah said so....which that means man said so & man said it was Jehovah & they cherry picked that judgment scripture to back it up, but there are so many others that say...DON'T JUDGE...

That's why I hate jury duty....I think what's getting me is that how can one justify it within themselves to think it was the right thing to do ...JUST TO SAVE THEIR OWN NECKS...

I know I know...The Devil made them do it..

Tor

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To all former Elders – what are your thoughts

by Tallon in

if you were part of a judicial committee, and knowing what you know now, what was it like for you to sit on jc’s?

how did you feel if someone was reproved or df’d?

were you ever on a jc and you disagreed with someone being reproved or df’d and were overruled – how did you feel?

tor1500

Hi All,

I'm not an elder because I'm a female, but I would like to ask you all a question....When you were elders the scripture that said, do not judge or else you will be judged...I think something like that....or the one where the same measure you judge someone you will be judged with the same measure...How did you all handle those scriptures, in good conscience...did you ever feel that those scriptures about judging, would ever apply to you ? How did you rationalize that in your hearts and minds?

When I became a witness, I knew they DF'd but not to this degree...why would anyone want to have God's job at judging?

Just wondering....

Tor

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This week's WT study article "Keep on the Watch" - the latest dumb article from the Gang That Couldn't Think Straight

by sir82 in

ok so this week's wt study article is entitled "why must we keep on the watch?"..

it is filled with statements on the importance of "being watchful" for the beginning of the "great tribulation".

paragraph 2: “keep looking, keep awake, for you do not know when the appointed time is.”after that, jesus admonished them repeatedly: “keep on the watch.”.

tor1500

Hi All,

This is the paragraph that got me..

# 4:We know that every convention session has a precise time to start. However, try as hard as we might, we cannot pinpoint the exact year, much less day and hour, when the great tribulation will begin. When on earth, Jesus said: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matt. 24:36) But Christ has been empowered in heaven to wage war against Satan’s world. (Rev. 19:11-16) Thus, it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus now knows when Armageddon will occur. We, however, do not know.

I mean really, they think they got an in with Jesus, after pushing Jehovah's name all the while...So because Jesus is in Heaven now & ruling, they think he knows...How do they know that ? I know...THEY DON'T. See this is what gets them in trouble, they always think they have answers to secrets. Jehovah will never let a certain group of folks call the GT, because instead of trying save folks, they would be running around beating their chest saying "I told you'all he was coming & on this day,too" JW's just can't stay away from predicting the future in some way or fashion...always want to appear that they are in the know. Instead why can't they just state their beliefs and keep it moving...

Everyone in the congregation I speak to says, we are in the last days, you can see by......I really want to say did you feel that way during the civil rights time, WW1 WW2, Viet Nam, & so on. I think they want it so bad because they have been saying for so long...At the same time many are young & so they didn't live through tough times...But the world has always been in turmoil...

I think many have this hope of not dying & crossing over.

There was a WT (public edition) January 2013...I think it's where the Question from Readers is located....The heading is: Have Jehovah Witnesses Given Incorrect dates for the end? For those who are interested...please read it...Very interesting, Indeed...they admit it but....I'll let you read it for yourself.

So the latest is no worries folks, JW's got a friend in Heaven besides Jehovah, don't worry, Jesus is gonna hook us up.

Tor

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Can’t cope with being disfellowshipped…..Need some advice

by xxBettyBoopxx in

this site is great, i have been lurking for a while now.

but i can’t get reinstated and have used some of the advice already given.. i was df’d many months ago and go to all the meetings and do all the preparation for the meetings, but the jc committee keep refusing me.

tomorrow at the clam meeting i am puting yet another letter in and will be called for another dreadful jc meeting.. 1. what can i say to the elders to show that i am truly repentant?.

tor1500

Hi BettyBoop,

Here's a thought. You miss your family & friends...that's a good thing...but what kind of family and friends are they really, would you call them conditional friends...think about how would Jesus handle this....The does scripture that mentions no natural affection come to mind ? So if you return they are your family and friends again...but as of now, they aren't. These are real questions to ask yourself. If you were not a witness, would you be friends with someone who only walked, talked or thought like you, would you be friends/family of someone(s) who only talked to you when they felt like it or only if you did something for them....What is the definition of a real friend or a family member?

Remember too, if you get re-instated, one day, you will have to shun someone, & will you remember when you were shunned, & you will remember those feelings you had...Don't do to people what you don't want done to you.

NO organization can keep you away from GOD...& if you want to come back write a letter & say, You have repented & would like to know would like to return....but being out, I've found out that even though I was DF'd I could still talk to God, because no one can keep me away from Jehovah, he still loves me...if he could forgive Manesseh, David, etc, I know he sees my heart even if you don't. So if you feel that I should not be re-instated as of yet, that's ok, I'll still worship and praise Jehovah from wherever I go...just like some of our brothers & sisters who in in prison, nothing stops them from Jehovah, not even prison walls. So I will wait on Jehovah to move your hearts to re-instate me. & My closing statement is this...With Jehovah, what can MAN, do to me.

Now Bettyboop, don't be afraid of people, people that are not JW's are nice folks...you are on this site & you must have noticed, none on here are what the org. describes. None of the folks outside the org. are bad either. If folks were so bad, we would be stepping on dead bodies all over the place....I know many witnesses are shy or introverted, but trust in God & he'll give you more than you'll ever ask for.

I'm a witness, haven't been one for a long time & I know TTATT, I've made some great friends, love them, but I know they only love me because I'm a witness...if I wasn't...you know the rest...Guess what ? I'm ok with that..I have kept my friends that are not witnesses, & they love me, we have been friends for years, no they are not perfect, nor am I, but we have been there for each other through thick & thin. Their love is unconditional...What I'm trying to get you to see is heart of the people you are trying to get back with...do they truly have love in their heart? In Psalms, there is a scripture that says, even if Mother or father leave me, he still has Jehovah...Don't be afraid to come out of your comfort zone & meet new people....

You can volunteer, there is so much to do so you won't feel isolated...go to the hospital & hold a baby that their mother was on drugs, go talk to an elderly person in a nursing home. Be a mentor to a young person who needs someone...so many ways you can give of yourself, that witnesses would never do, because they can't count the hours...The world as we know it may one day come to an end...but in the meantime, we are all still here & folks still need help...don't stick your head in the sand & act like the only way to help folks is being a witness, that's just kool-aide.

Boyfriend, well, that's up to you. Learn to like yourself, so others will like you too..

Tor

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JW hospitality

by Chook in

about 5 years ago when i was in, my son who at the time was 18 needed somewhere to sleep for a couple of nights due to work commitments ,in a city 2 hours from home.

my "best man" who is an elder that lives in this city , was asked could my son stay a couple of nights .

the response was he doesn't go to meetings anymore ,he can't stay here , i ask can he sleep on garage floor instead , still can't stay .

tor1500

Hi,

So true, but check this out...anyone remember a WT (study), where a pioneer sister was in another country, she was at the airport but her plane was cancelled until the next day, she had no money to stay at a hotel. Well don't you know a school mate saw her & asked why she was at the airport. She explained her story. The school mate was a male & his family was with him...anyway, the family (non-witness) offered to put her up for the night..Also, the schoolmate wasn't a witness either....So, what am I saying....first of all, schoolmate, how well did she know him, or his family, they could have been criminals, who knows...but she stepped out on faith...& it worked out...well according to JW land, where most stories have a happy ending.

I wonder if any one in the audience noticed, she stayed with an unbelieving family...No she wasn't inactive, but a so called worldly family took her in, so what's the moral...no such thing as JW hospitality...I'm one...anything that has to do with LOVE...it just ain't in them...they only do things that can be seen & if they get patted on the back for it...

Someone on the site mentioned...No Natural affection...well, who do we know that imitate that...

UMMMM

Tor