Posts by tor1500

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Question about worship

by charity7 in

hi guys, non jw here but i was wondering why jw's believe going out in service is worship?

are they just told that or do they try to use scripture to support that?.

tor1500

Hi Charity,

They are repaying Jehovah the gift of his son The Ransom. They also believe they are saving lives. They are modern day Noah's and they are trying to get as many on the ark as possible...

Also, as mentioned when Jesus sent out his disciples to spread the good news...but here's the rub, don't know if you know some scriptures are for the anointed (too long of a story)...and some are just for us plain folk, supposedly Jesus's disciples are part of the anointed and Jesus was talking about going to door he was not speaking to us plain folks....So if the society really want to split hairs, and they always say certain scriptures are for the anointed...so, we are not anointed so we don't have to go door to door....

Going out door to door is a form of worship...JW's are work oriented....they can't accept something for nothing...Some do it because they really love it....they are outdoor people...some really do love Jehovah

There is a song in our song book that one of the lines is How can I repay you what gift can I give to thank you Jehovah for the life that you give, I think that's how it goes...

Yes, witnesses think going out in service is worship and also before all....going to the meetings...I know others here can add...

Tor

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It's right there in our faces, how could we NOT see it?

by NikL in

i know there have been many many posts on here over the years on the deity of jesus.. i am submitting this one because i am feeling a little confused.. the thing is, i am not the sharpest knife in the drawer and i know this.

so when i am going through my bible reading (to all you haters, yes i still do it) i see so many scriptures that just fly in the face of everything the jws teach about jesus.. i begin to wonder if indeed i am diseased in the mind ,as they will try to paint me, because it seems so plain to me.. i never even gave it a though growing up as to if jesus and god were equal.

i just didn't.. now when i read scriptures like philippians 9.... 9 for this very reason, god exalted him to a superior position+ and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,+ 10 so that in the name of jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground+— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that jesus christ is lord+ to the glory of god the father.. .

tor1500

Hi,

As someone mentioned Jesus is the new God of the NT....Jehovah changed the game plan...Jesus died for our sins, so why wouldn't we worship the person that died for us...and Jehovah thought the same thing...

Jehovah witnesses just want to be different....at the time they came about, nobody was talking about Jehovah, so they had an open field, they sounded like they knew what they were saying and folks bought it....

Years later, this has come to bite them in the tail...The org isn't as loving as Jesus, even though God is love, when he get's angry, he will discipline you....we only saw Jesus get angry once...even when someone asked a question to trick him...he would answer, One day there was.....(in parables).

So the question is who should we worship, God who created all things and sent his son to die for us or do we worship the one WHO DIED FOR US?...God told us who to worship...John 3:16...(in part) that everyone one exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life....And to be a Christian you have to believe in Christ...isn't Christ a part of the word Christian....

They shot themselves in the foot....now they are trying to fit Jesus in the literature....They are figuring JW's are not too dumb anymore...and some of the Questions from Readers may actually be sent by the friends ( but incognito).

I'm saying all this to folks that still believe even though they may be fading or haven't allowed the org. to destroy your faith.... I don't wish to offend those who may not believe and don't want judge them.

Why can't they both be worshipped....Jehovah for all he has done and will do and Jesus for giving his life...

Tor

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new strategy to turn in your time in Japan

by yoko N in

jw.org stickers are passed around among publishers.one brother says "hey you can just turn in your time just driving around streets with this sticker on your car.

" the other side of this car ,(photo) there is a qr code sticker on it.. .

tor1500

Hi,

Could it really be true...but I was told if you stop for lunch and leave a magazine or tract on the table in site...count it....I guess this is the advertise advertise era...AGAIN...

So, I've been told that in Japan they are under preaching ban...if that is true, how can elders walk around like celebrities if they don't want to draw any attention to themselves....or was it Korea, I don't remember, the friends go to so many countries I can't keep it straight, they love to go where the preaching is banned to see the friends, then tell you they are under such strict persecution that you can barely talk to them....I wanted to ask them why would you go there and draw attention to them because you are leaving and you can't control how they will be treated when you leave...yet, when seeing pix from these visits, of the places that the preaching is banned, why is the welcoming committee the size if the Macy's Thanksgiving parade....

Yoko, tell us more...

Tor

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I need advise. I' exJW in Japan.

by yoko N in

i need advisei need advise about lingo　of jw community.a publisher is required to report time spent in preaching, and field service.in japan.

we say something like“ put time in report card’how do you say in english language?.

tor1500

Hi,

Bring it on....

Tor

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No more official visits to disfellowshipped & disassociated ones

by AverageJoe1 in

new letter today (please visit avoidjw.org for a copy of the official letter and yes, i also noticed they got the date wrong!).

february 28, 2017. to all bodies of elders.

re: visiting disfellowshipped or disassociated individuals.

tor1500

Hi,

Don't you know we are in the last days(lol)....Too many DF'd and DA'd ones so little time...to me this is what they are really saying....there are not enough Elders to officially visit them...

and on the other hand, many of the brothers might have been using these visits to extend their field service hours or if they wanted to leave field service they would say to the group going on a return, when in reality, they weren't going at all.

As far as the org. is concerned they gave them enough time even their own magazine...As far as the society is concerned they have to keep up with the wobbly wheels of Gods chariot, ( I stole that from someone on this site or was it another....but I thought is was a good one).

Most of the ones that left, they are glad to be done....just hope they were able to become functional citizens.

Tor

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I need advise. I' exJW in Japan.

by yoko N in

i need advisei need advise about lingo　of jw community.a publisher is required to report time spent in preaching, and field service.in japan.

we say something like“ put time in report card’how do you say in english language?.

tor1500

Hi Yoko,

Sorry to not answer your question....Each hall says it differently...some say, Please turn in your slip for your field service time for the Month of February. Some say, report time...never heard report card...although that sounds more accurate.

Tor

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I need advise. I' exJW in Japan.

by yoko N in

i need advisei need advise about lingo　of jw community.a publisher is required to report time spent in preaching, and field service.in japan.

we say something like“ put time in report card’how do you say in english language?.

tor1500

Hi,

This is how it really goes...We would like to give a quick reminder for those who didn't turn in their time for the MONTH of DECEMBER 2016, (now mind you, we are in Feb. 2017").

You know why because in December they didn't hand in their time or report time since Oct. 2016. Some are too shamed to report their hours or time whichever so, they are the ones who always hand them in late...some how they think they missed a minute in Oct., so they are recalculating...phooey...they don't have no time to report that's why it's late...

Hope we hear more from you Yoko. They have x JW's in Japan....and is Japan under preaching ban, and is it as bad as the witnesses say?

Welcome....we are friendly folks here....some are x's and some are faders and some are on the fence, but what most here have in common...is the Truth about the Truth. I was going to greet you in Japanese but I didn't want to assume that you were just because of the title of your topic. So, I'll say Welcome Again.

Tor

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The Study edition of Luke NWT Now on JW.ORG...great, now they dig even deeper into the pile of muck

by NikL in

jw
friends

so had to check it out to see what it's all about.. what i got was more cloudiness.

as in luke 2:9.... suddenly jehovah’s angel stood before them, and jehovah’s glory gleamed around them, and they became very fearful.

the notes point out.... jehovah’s angel: this expression occurs many times in the hebrew scriptures, starting at ge 16:7. when it occurs in early copies of the septuagint, the greek word agʹge·los (angel; messenger) is followed by the divine name written in hebrew characters.

tor1500

Hi,

Well one thing for sure the org. can't say this is Michael the Archangel aka Jesus....Jehovah's Angel, he had a mess of them....sometimes they were called sons then lights...whatever...Jehovah angel who they may say is Michael/Jesus can't be in the manger at the same time...

I think the society is running out of things to say.....they are trying to run ahead of the information age and they can't keep up....

Tor

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Sister at Kingdom Hall visibly upset "they took jehovahs name out of song"

by hoser in

jw
friends

i went to meeting today and the sister in front of me was upset song 134 now song 139 no longer contains jehovahs name.

they took it out.

i never even noticed .

tor1500

Hi,

I don't think I would have noticed it until I sang it....as many of you know I'm a witness...as many call me an oxymoron witness... Don't quote me, but I think the witnesses or the society is really starting to see that Jehovah wants us to worship him and his son Christ Jesus...But through out the NT, it's brought out countlessly, any one who believes in the son, will have everlasting life...So far, the org. has been able to use Jehovah's name just to be in the know...Don't think the writers don't come on sites and see, what the scriptures really say...It's all about Jesus.

Yeah, Jehovah just wants us to know who did all this...but he changed the game plan, Jesus is the good news...and yes, I Jehovah God (is Jehovah a jewish name, and would God name himself a Jewish name, God is not partial, not important, just a thought). Again, don't quote me but I think they are inching slowly towards into their doctrine Jesus Christ..They/we are call Jehovah witnesses...but in truth we are Christians, and what are Christians, those who believe in Christ Jesus...because if there was no Jesus, the bible would have ended right after the fruit episode.

No Christ no Christians...I remember one of the brothers was talking in the lobby of the hall, and someone commended him on him mild and humble way about him...and he said, I'm just trying to imitate Jesus...Then a sister and I were talking and she was talking about how the org. and friends handle things, then she said, the org. is supposed to imitate Jesus...she didn't correct herself...I got the message...

So all that to say, I think they are inching towards Jesus Christ name being used more now...since we are supposed to be in the last day and Jesus is now King, and he is the head of he congregation and he will give the GoVBoD., heads-up of when the GB/Armageddon will occur...Because you all do know that the Gov boys have a direct line to God...and he gives them hints of the last days....but somehow they can't seem to get it right.... So now they are going to make King Jesus their focus because he's the one coming back...they took out Jehovah and replaced it with God....no doubt, the org. will explain that away...Just wait a few years...God will be replaced by Lord, then Jesus...

Most of us will be gone on by the time they might get it right,

Tor

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So JW's are not allowed to vote because.... "no part of this world." Ok then explain why the WTBTS lobbied politicians on numerous

by kpop in

sorry if this was posted before but if it was then it is worth repeating and discussing.

the hypocrisy of the jw cult knows no bounds.

supposedly, the reason jw's are not allowed to vote is because they must not be a part of this world.

tor1500

Hi LonghairGal,

Hope all is well and you are doing fine. Yep, that's what they do. Especially the ones that live in the NYS area. NYS is very generous. You only find this out when one goes somewhere else. Witnesses are there for the handouts but don't want to participate. Many that I know go to second hand stores to buy their clothes, and go to pantries...and so on....They don't celebrate Thanksgiving but take advantage of Black Friday...& you know I could go on...

Before the depression, the gov't never helped the people, so people had to help one another. During the depression no one had anything to give anyone....so eventually things got so bad, the gov't had to step in and after that mankind has back away from helping one another, if you ask anyone today for help they'll say, go to the welfare office or disability but don't come to me. So they think it's bad now...back then...terrible....

I've learned to take what witnesses say with a grain of salt. One day they are overly zealous about this then tomorrow they dropped that then become zealous about something else...

Most witnesses I know....they do exactly as they please...

Tor