Posts by tor1500

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Greed and the Russian Problem

by no-zombie in

by now all of us are aware of the moves in russia to ban the organization and the frantic letter writing campaign started by the governing body.. however, what i thought was interesting and perhaps not already mentioned, is the fact that governing body themselves may have actually created this very situation.

due of their personal greed to seize the brotherhood's saved congregational accounts and the ownership of the publisher funded kingdom halls through the centralizing of those assets into the watchtower corporation (which i'm sure has taken place in russia too), the ability for putin to take the lot has only been made it easier.

however if the governing body had left the ownership of the halls at the local level, i expect that the best the russian government could do would be to have them closed and then start the much longer court process of taking them one by one.. and if anyone has any delusions in thinking that a ton of letters will in some way convince putin to change his mind; think again.

tor1500

Hi,

I'm a witness....it's to keep us busy and persecuted...but no one is really talking...usually there is a whole lot of buzz going on....folks texting and calling....I think the friends have heard this all before....

The ARC thing is all over FB and everywhere else....the org. is trying to justify that this is THE END....AGAIN...see we are being persecuted....read the account in Luke...the disciples ask Jesus when will these things occur....he says, not before you are handed over....so here you go....they are being handed over...no, they are just being asked to leave or not preach or, I don't know...I still think it's about $$$.

Tor

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Two (circumstantial) lines of evidence for the real motivation behind the Russian lobbying?

by doubtfull1799 in

1. in bro sandersons latest video (in which he shows a very impressive skill with russian) he mentions two likely results of the imminent russian ban: the liquidation of the branch office and its assets, and the individual brothers capacity to worship freely.

no prizes for guessing which one gets mentioned first!.

2. why have the gb never attempted in the past, and are not interested in attempting now, such a letter writing campaign in other communist countries where the work is under similar restrictions, like china, or vietnam?

tor1500

@Venus,

Excellent.....such a great point....the shunners are being shunned by an entire country.....brilliant...

Tor

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Two (circumstantial) lines of evidence for the real motivation behind the Russian lobbying?

by doubtfull1799 in

1. in bro sandersons latest video (in which he shows a very impressive skill with russian) he mentions two likely results of the imminent russian ban: the liquidation of the branch office and its assets, and the individual brothers capacity to worship freely.

no prizes for guessing which one gets mentioned first!.

2. why have the gb never attempted in the past, and are not interested in attempting now, such a letter writing campaign in other communist countries where the work is under similar restrictions, like china, or vietnam?

tor1500

Hi,

Something tells me that the JW's stepped on someone's foot...They haven't just arrived there...what's the real problem?

&&& Yes, it's to take the focus off of the ARC, they can't spin that situation into persecution....too many cases...all of them can't be lying...a JW would accept one or two as persecution but there are too many to deny, that something ain't right...

Funny the Supreme Court is expected to decide if this group should be outright banned....so interesting...but when it comes to child abuse....no quick decisions....amazing what really matters...worry about the lit.they hand out, instead of the fact that JW's house pedophiles....ummm, maybe they know and the org., is using the persecution card, to pull out without the embarrassment...

As someone said, other places they are banned why Russia, ummm, something ain't right...I thought that too...and if the Russian JW's are the target, why send letters and make trouble for them....many of the friends go where the work is banned then come back and tell us all about it...I say to myself, what was the purpose of that...they are already being watched why would we go and draw attention to them and ourselves...then we Americans leave and come back here where we can do almost anything....but then when they show pix, there is a JW welcoming party there....uh ? Maybe my eyesight is bad....again, why put them on danger....oh, I forget, JW's love to look pious...

Tor

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GB asks every JW to give Putin their home address

by MrHappy in

jw's around the globe have been encouraged to write letters to putin and the russian government.

they are expected to give their personal details on the envelope.

i appreciate that this might be normal when writing to your own government if they are tolerant, but is this not a bit strange that the gb want to give putin the address of every jw in the world?

tor1500

@JWdaughter,

Exactly, they want to be persecuted...and it's been a long time since they have....they couldn't spin the ARC situation as persecution...folks would eventually see through that....

Does anyone know if other religions are being banned as well ? Is this story just propaganda from the org and it's not a big deal in Russia?

Tor

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Who is a real friend?

by googleTTATT in

jw
friends

i'm asking this because when i was a jehovah's witness, i thought i had real friends..

tor1500

Hi,

A real friend that is a JW doesn't care if you are a JW or not...or a friend that doesn't care if you are a JW or not...

A best friend is someone who knows all your secrets but a better friend is one that goes through it with you...

When you were a JW, you had no example of what a real friend is...As much as we all read the Good Samaritan, we never get the point....your so called spiritual friends may walk by you but you may get help from someone you would never expect...

JW friends are conditional friends...but if you decide to walk away, they drop you like a hot potato, real friends are there through thick and thin and don't judge...

Tor

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GB asks every JW to give Putin their home address

by MrHappy in

jw's around the globe have been encouraged to write letters to putin and the russian government.

they are expected to give their personal details on the envelope.

i appreciate that this might be normal when writing to your own government if they are tolerant, but is this not a bit strange that the gb want to give putin the address of every jw in the world?

tor1500

Hi,

Adding your return address on the envelope is standing up for your faith...you are proud to be a witness... if JW's put return addresses it's telling Putin that they aren't afraid and willing to put their faith and life on the line...

I mentioned on another subject that if the org. is so concerned about these folks in Russia, take all the money and relocate them....or better still...those who are zealous could go where the need is greater....go to Russia and stand by the brothers and sisters and encourage them....

They won't do it....just lip service...I think this is smoke and mirrors because the ARC is coming to bite them in the behind....

Tor

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Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses launches worldwide campaign againt Russia

by jwleaks in

jehovah's witnesses mobilize global response to threat of ban in russia.

march 21, 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/jw-mobilize-global-response-to-threat-of-ban/.

new york—threatened with an imminent ban on their worship in russia, jehovah’s witnesses are responding with a direct appeal to kremlin and supreme court officials for relief through a global letter-writing campaign.

tor1500

Hi Drearyweather,

That's what I meant....they are a burden on the Russian gov't....I also was making a joke about the big card....The org. wants us to write Russia and also supply who we are and our addresses...so this looks like we are putting our faith on the line....All this is smoke and mirrors....just to take away from the ARC incident...

Tor

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Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses launches worldwide campaign againt Russia

by jwleaks in

jehovah's witnesses mobilize global response to threat of ban in russia.

march 21, 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/jw-mobilize-global-response-to-threat-of-ban/.

new york—threatened with an imminent ban on their worship in russia, jehovah’s witnesses are responding with a direct appeal to kremlin and supreme court officials for relief through a global letter-writing campaign.

tor1500

Hi,

Got the best idea ever, you know when you go to the card store and they have those big cards that has enough room for many people to sign....The org. can have every congregation do that...I think that's better don't you...

Another idea, witnesses love to go where the need is greater....why not have an all out campaign for that....those who want to support our brothers and sisters, sign up....or maybe they could get them witnesses the heck out of there and find them a place to live...well if any of them will go...some like the idea of persecution... and how in the heck did JW's get started in Russia in the first place...Russia is a fighting country....they love un-rest...when they ain't fighting they really don't know what to do with themselves if they are not in conflict....They love, like us to be the world threat....

Don't think many are going to write....don't want to be traced back to them....they ain't ready to die, no matter what they say....

I have a Russian friend and they say, it's ok to have your religion but we don't like when you push it down our throats....let us choose...I think it's more about $$$, than anything else...

In the end it's never about a cause it's always about the money....maybe JW's don't support the gov't in Russia but take advantage of all the benefits...just like they do here in the USA....maybe they are a burden on their society...

JW's have the arrogance that everyone should be like them...I'm no witch, but little by little the org. is being exposed....everything is leaking out...the friends only mention what don't get them in trouble...this Russian thing is to side track the ARC....slight of hand if you will... The friends know about the ARC and other secrets, many of us talk outside of certain ears, and they know that the org. is begging for money, they notice that there are less and less baptism and they are now starting to see that the Brothers are just men...they are not the special men that the org. says they are....the smoke and mirrors are all gone...I'm a witness...so many will not talk about it but they know....just watch the body language...especially with this new book God's kingdom Rules...not too many comments...the friends are starting to ask themselves...but won't say, so who fed us before 1919? Just wait until the WT comes out that says they are not inspired nor infallible....won't be too many comments but the ones who try to make sense of this statement....and the rest of us will say, so how do you feed us? You don't even know if it's true yourselves...this will be very interesting...also to see what they say on FB.

Tor

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Found a new difference between the old NWT and the new one...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

yesterday i read jeremiah 8-11 because that's what was studied in the clam.

i am in a different city and decided to go to the meeting to check it out and possibly ask the witnesses some questions and see how they treat a "newcomer".anyways...nwt, 1984 version:.

(jeremiah 10:13) 13 at [his] voice there is a giving by him of a turmoil of waters in the heavens, and he causes vapors to ascend from the extremity of the earth.

tor1500

Hi,

They can say it absent, but you got to say it's a good story....because it really puts us humans in our places...because no matter how many times we read in the bible not to judge....we humans always put a coma..even though we don't like to be judged but we want to judge...that's why those passages may have been absent...either way, Jesus is saying...if I'm not judging, neither should you.

Tor

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Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses launches worldwide campaign againt Russia

by jwleaks in

jehovah's witnesses mobilize global response to threat of ban in russia.

march 21, 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/jw-mobilize-global-response-to-threat-of-ban/.

new york—threatened with an imminent ban on their worship in russia, jehovah’s witnesses are responding with a direct appeal to kremlin and supreme court officials for relief through a global letter-writing campaign.

tor1500

Hi,

No shunning no control....

JW's are always being banned somewhere....that's their badge of honor...maybe if they just went around and preached instead of trying to convince and let people make up their own minds, maybe Russia would leave them alone....but to say they are the true religion....that's a little too presumptuous...oh, wasn't that this past weeks Sunday WT....

The WT society reminds me of that movie with Gloria Swanson, a faded star but didn't realize she was faded....so the org. is still waiting for their close up that they will never get again in life anymore....If the Russians tell of what the witnesses do, not political wise but just in-house....it may be hard for the public to see it as persecution....and it will be hard for the friends to deny that is how the org. operates...this could open a can of worms that we may not see as an opportunity to expose the org...but you never know...

Tor