Posts by tor1500

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God of the Old Testament

by unsure in

to those on these forums who are christian and or to those who believe in the god of the old testament; how does one overcome many of the questionable actions god took or allowed to happen in the old testament?.

many if not most of us have heard of criticisms of the god of the old testament.

you can find these criticisms on many websites.. how do you explain to an honest hearted person why god acted the way they did?.

tor1500

Hi,

God was a hard task master back in the OT. Plus his son was with him so he could create all the havoc he wanted here on earth.

But, then his son Jesus came to earth and suddenly we see God calm down. Reminds me of how cold and unsympathetic some are until they have a child... different person now, even more tolerant.

You don't read too much fire and brimstone much in the NT.

Another theory, maybe God is Jesus and while he came to earth he couldn't destroy and have a ministry and preach the good news.

I am making this all up. But it sounds good. Maybe the God that man wrote about is not really who God is. God can explain things but man cannot.

Tor

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How can angels be sexually attracted to women?

by Island Man in

the nephilim account in genesis is utterly ridiculous when you consider that angels are sex-less beings and would therefore lack sex-drive and romantic attraction.

think of how difficult it is for humans with a sex drive to be sexually attracted to animals.

now take away that sex drive and it becomes literally impossible.

tor1500

Hi,

Just a thought here. When God created man and woman, don't think they were sexual yet, they were busy doing who knows what. But eventually he/God said be fruitful and fill the earth. So I think that is when God put the sexual attraction into Adam and Eve. This he never told to the angels. Maybe we are made like them but we have permission to have sex.

Niw how these certain angels grew male sexual organs, as Flip Wilso said. The devil made me do it. If Satan can be a snake he can produce sexual organs too. And Satan told his angels to be fruitful and multiply too, because he too wants more of his soldiers on earth.

Whats the score?

God: trillions

satan: to be determined

Tor

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How can angels be sexually attracted to women?

by Island Man in

the nephilim account in genesis is utterly ridiculous when you consider that angels are sex-less beings and would therefore lack sex-drive and romantic attraction.

think of how difficult it is for humans with a sex drive to be sexually attracted to animals.

now take away that sex drive and it becomes literally impossible.

tor1500

Hi All,

I think it's this free will thing God gave us. The angels had free will too. Don't you think the angels looked down at humans having sex and thought hey, I want to have sex too. God gave me free will, well heck, I am going to use it. Humans have all the fun.

Why do you think the 144,000 are not going to be defiled by sex because they are going to be eunuch's so they won't be tempted by the daughters of men. This also dispels the Jw version of who the 144,000 really are. The number is literal and so is the fact the will not have had sex.

I don't know whether this story is true or not or the Bible written by men inspired by God, but there are some good lessons in there on how we can get along on earth with all the differences we all have.

That story about the angels and humans just goes to show sex is as natural as breathing. It's common to all species of life and even spirits.

Maybe the better question is how can women be sexually attracted to angels. Didn't they see their wings. Wow they must have been very clever and most of all great eye candy.

Tor

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48% Capacity at Kingdom Halls - A post on reddit

by berrygerry in

there was a letter read this week, followed by a talk about all the changes that are coming in the next couple of months regarding merging congregations in the area (va/md/dc) - the letter said that the kh's in the area are only being filled to 48% capacity.

this was music to my ears as i have noticed the decline in attendance in all the neighboring congregations.

they will sell some kingdom halls and merge some congregations.

tor1500

Hi.

Its all smoke and mirrors. Take some from here put them over there, nope that's uneven. Take those from here and put them way over there. And on the last day of the month, God ah sorry the org looked at it and said It was good, then they rested. Why? Because they fooled the flock again ( so they think).

The org is now just a social setting. For the young that are stuck in for the moment they utilize it as a social media just like others that are not JW. Each age group has their little click. And for those who think they are too good to rub shoulders with non Jw's this suits their purpose. Religious snobs. And in every religion those are dying out. Why because folks can read. Most don't care nothing about the flip flop doctrines. That thought don't even come into play.

Many have never come from a home of unconditional love, so the hall just like churches are full of hurt folks. So when good folks come into these places of worship the hurt folks are drawn to them only to suck The niceness out of them to make the just like themselves. Then there are those who come from a great home and did what their parents told them to do as long as they lived at home but inside they are not what they appear to like us all but those type come to the hall. And they are who they have always been. Snob or lazy (full time ministry), need to be validated and so on.

The halls are not filling up because of the internet. You can conduct your own bible study on line. Then when you get to the part that talks about DF'ing. That's when they say why continue because eventually ill most likely do something and get put out, I'm out now, why get shamed and put out. Plus no commitment. But they told us to direct folks to the JW org. Well for that month anyway, because the next month was can you use only the Bible in the ministry.

&&& another real good reasons the halls are not filling up with Bible students and the young one. Because nobody is standing in line to be celibate. Now that's the real deal. Folks in and out of the truth are filling the earth and being fruitful.

Tor

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Let's all play a game! What does this passage of the Bible tell us about Jehovah?

by stuckinarut2 in

lets play a fun game?.

we all know that as witnesses, we were constantly told to read the bible, and ask ourselves what the passage we read reveals about god.. as an example, here is a wt that highlights this.. may 2016 wt study edition "benefit fully from jehovah's provisions".

8 ask questions.

tor1500

@coldsteel,

well said. I usually get windy with my comment, but you hit the nail on the head.

Tor

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When was the first time you said, "thank you for your service" to someone?

by Coded Logic in

mine was to some random guy in uniform i saw on the street about two years ago.

even as a jw i knew that we had a lot of freedoms here in the us that were hard earned.

it felt really good to finally be able to say in person to someone when i i did..

tor1500

Hi all.

I am a new JW. So I always acknowledge people who serve from the restroom attendant to a person who was drafted or joined the armed services. In reality we earthlings should stop fighting and domineering one another and take care of each other.

i am going to run down the middle with this observation. I think males like to fight. It's the only way they can settle things. No don't talk it out amongst yourselves involve other people's lives that don't have a clue. Males even go to other countries that are not their own to fight aka foreign legion. Men are wired differently. They have an aggressive gene. Some females like to fight too. Wars are about money. Sure good comes out of it. The USA just wants to be world power. I saw a documentary on Coca Cola. They said their aim was to get Coca Cola into every nation in the world. They showed poor places where people for a treat would buy a bottle for the family with the little money they had. So. Now if Coca Cola could do this regarding a bottle of soda what kind of humans are we. We care more about soda than looking out for one another.

Tor

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Let's all play a game! What does this passage of the Bible tell us about Jehovah?

by stuckinarut2 in

lets play a fun game?.

we all know that as witnesses, we were constantly told to read the bible, and ask ourselves what the passage we read reveals about god.. as an example, here is a wt that highlights this.. may 2016 wt study edition "benefit fully from jehovah's provisions".

8 ask questions.

tor1500

Hi All,

For those who believe in God/spiritual: We are supposed to work it out ourselves. Yes we are our brothers keeper. Would any of us be good if God didn't say so. I believe some need to be told and some people are just good natured whether they believe or not.

I too think hey God fix this or that. What type of characters would we developed if God fixed everything yet we look at the youth today and they can't even handle getting the wrong coffee, because we haven't raised them to deal with anything. Folks put baby on board so we all should drive safer. Don't you think we should drive safe period. If we never experienced life good or bad what type of characters would we be. A bunch spoiled children. There are words that would never be used like endurance, forgiveness, etc. These words wood mean nothing.

At the end of the day some need God or a God or sun or moon to tell them how to behave others just know whether it is God only they will know.

Does anyone on this site would see someone in need either on this site or wherever. Do you need God to tell you what to do. I think God is our conscience. Some call it conscience and some call it God. How do you roll?

Tor

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What Kind Of Psychological Conseling Do You Think Jehovah's Witnesses Need When They Find Out It's Not The Truth?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i personally would like to see they get the very best but haven't a clue how to do it what are your benevolent words of wisdom, should a person do a deep research on his own a kind of self medication or should they brush up on some psychology,, who should they trust because after you leave you got big trust issues.. i don't know about you but to me it was a real shocker, i was totally into getting their worthless bull shit out of my head.

i choose the self medicate path and did as must research as time would allow,, science was a biggie for me, it was enjoyable learning to get so much bull shit out of my head..

tor1500

Hi,

I think it has to be more like a time capsule it has to release the medicine little by little. Most JW's will not be able to go cold turkey. I am a witness and know tatt but what I notice is that if they find out it's not the truth their world has been crushed. There was a female on this site that found out the truth was not the truth, she almost lost it. Her very foundation was shaken.

See being a witness for some it offers life all tied up in a bow. Everything is groovy even their religion. All the "t's" crossed and all the "i's" dotted. Its a religion for OCD folks or folks who pretend to be. Many of us are not that neat but we see others that are so we pretend to be too.

I think it is to know that when man tells you what God wants it's usually what man wants.

There are nice people out here. You have to love you. That is the first step. Love God first that's if you still believe in him because he did create us. Read and listen to other things in life. Positive things. You say you got trust issues. Well if everyone was as bad as the org says or you think why aren't you stepping over dead bodies on the street. You cannot leave your life in the hands of others. That is what Jw's do. Something is said from the stage you read the scriptures and they don't line up. Jw's believe man more than the Bible. That is the first mistake.

I am a witness. But I am as balanced as I can be. I would like to go but I have made some nice conditional friends but I also have friends and family that are not Jw's. so for me it's a matter of time.

Do you trust yourself? Because that's where the trust (issue) starts. If you are not willing to trust folks, don't ask them for what you, yourself don't have. People have nothing to prove to you. In life there are no guarantees. We learn by our mistakes. The more we endure the more understanding we gain for one another.

The truth is not an organization or a doctrine, it's not outside of you it's inside of you. You have to take what man says with a grain of salt.

Tor

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Let's all play a game! What does this passage of the Bible tell us about Jehovah?

by stuckinarut2 in

lets play a fun game?.

we all know that as witnesses, we were constantly told to read the bible, and ask ourselves what the passage we read reveals about god.. as an example, here is a wt that highlights this.. may 2016 wt study edition "benefit fully from jehovah's provisions".

8 ask questions.

tor1500

@Coldsteel and All,

You are correct he did warn them. When you really look at the OT it was God trying to get the Israelites to leave other gods and worship only him. But they insisted on their own way. God always forgave them kind of like a husband or wife that gives their mate constant chances after being always forgiven. So I was not saying God is self centered in a way that many speak of God on here. Some are mad at God and that's personal but if you read most of my comments I don't see God as bad. God should be self centered because he created everything.

When God killed women and children it was explained that it was merciful, if the parents were killed and the babies left alive, and all the adults are dead, who will raise the babies/children. So that is how it was explained to me. In my mind I think. Oh my.....how could you kill innocent children. Then I think maybe God was being merciful.

Oh by the way. I think someone mentioned Uzzah. I think that's the guy who touched the Ark and God struck him down. First the Ark was supposed to be carried a certain way and God gave instructions of who should be allowed. No one was supposed to touch it. When I first read the account, I said Uzzah was only trying to keep the Ark from falling but God killed him. That is why it's good to read the Bible with an open mind and you will be able to connect the dots.

Those who believe in God, remember he sacrificed his son for us and he didn't have to. Back in the garden he could have got rid of those two and created another couple. But I'm kind of guessing it would turn out the same way. Can't give us free will. We can't handle it. Ever go into an empty theater, open seats everywhere, free will, but got to many choices to pick from. Most humans are followers.

I don't see God as a butler so when I wake up every morning I have a laundry list of things I want him to do. But as I matured I ask for forgiveness, peace of mind, to change what I can leave let go of the rest and hope God handles it and that I can endure what life throws at me. Help me to be a better person than the day before.

Tor

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Let's all play a game! What does this passage of the Bible tell us about Jehovah?

by stuckinarut2 in

lets play a fun game?.

we all know that as witnesses, we were constantly told to read the bible, and ask ourselves what the passage we read reveals about god.. as an example, here is a wt that highlights this.. may 2016 wt study edition "benefit fully from jehovah's provisions".

8 ask questions.

tor1500

Hi,

The bible was written by rich Jewish men. So how they portrayed God is through their own eyes.

We are made in God's image, so that means we are somewhat alike. Ok. We know that before folks have kids they are self centered, no sympathy nor empathy, no compassion for folks who have families and hold down jobs. Many can't work overtime but those who don't have family don't get it. So. In the Ot God was like had a certain amount of understanding but he didn't take no mess. You messed up blam...,Jehovah got rid of you or allowed you to suffer until you came back to him. Self centered, wouldn't you say. Kind of unforgiving. But now here comes his son to earth, we see a different Jehovah, he ain't destroying and killing like he did in the OT, no not while his son is on earth. Now Jehovah has calmed down, he thinks and acts differently since his son. Just like humans. We are bad to the bone before our kids are born then we become wet noodles. A person who may have been squirmish, that same person now don't even care if their child spits up on them.

The Bible only tells you how to get along with your fellow man. Some see the Bible as rules and regulations and others see it as a guide to life and how to deal with this life and find some peace through all of it.

Can't focus on who and what God does, there's a message in the Bible. Love God (if you believe there is a God), love your neighbor as yourself. But many don't love themselves so how can they love their neighbors that's why it's difficult for JWs to bring in others. People see there is no love in them.

I think Jehovah just want humans to remember. I made you and I can break you. To praise him no matter what. Even if you going through a bad time. Remember all the good he has done.... so in essence God is saying all that I've done. Stop your belly aching. You whiners, you.

Tor