Posts by tor1500

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The '' other and remaining '' Faithful and Discreet Slaves are '' useless ''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

faithful and discreet slave parable.

matthew 24:45-47 "who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.

tor1500

Hi,

It's a parable...that's all it is...& The org. just fit themselves in...Just like they fit them selves into being of the 144,000....Just like they think Jesus is now in charge and sending the org. smoke signals of when the end is...you know they think God's chariot is really on the move...yes, witnesses think they are privy to the end & when it will happen...they use the events of the day to point to the end...wonder what they thought during the civil rights un-rest...or any other events that might look like the end...

Most witnesses are full of themselves...that's one MO to be one...to think much of yourself...

I always said, it's a good thing that Jesus didn't have any children because the witnesses would have all claimed they are his seed....

They don't know who the FDS class is...in a few years they'll change who they are again...

So if the org. uses parables to describe themselves...then maybe the entire org., is just a parable...not real.

Thx,

Tor

15

Toasted daughter: Why Jephthah almost certainly sacrificed his daughter to a complicit Jehovah

by Diogenesister in

jehovah's witnesses insist that jephthah did not sacrifice his daughter to jehovah.

this is important to them because, rarther than jephthah just being a random bad person, jehovah was very much in on the deal.

after all, he made the promise to jehovah that he would "offer up as a burnt offering" on his return the first thing to come out of his house if jehovah would give the ammonites into his hands in battle, and since they were this makes jehovah complicit.. the isrealites had been getting a good thrashing of late, and the gilead elders (oh boy) had come out to ask jephthah, the rejected son of a prostitute (wouldn't you know it) and renown soldier, if he would lead the isrealites into battle for them.. this is when jephthah makes the deal with jehobo, and it all centres on the word for "burnt offering", which is given as "olah".

tor1500

Hi,

From the Bible he did create everything & thought...but that's just man's story....I don't pretend to know all....I'm a witness & I'm just expressing how they think...I didn't say how I think...

They don't think at all they are fed...

Sometimes when life isn't all roses...I tend to think....where is God, bet ya there ain't no God cuz how would he let this happen...then I think again...then say maybe there is a God...like most..

I am just a regular person that came into the org...whether there is a God or not...it's a beautiful earth...& whatever created it...I'm glad to be here...no life isn't perfect...not for anyone...

Some believe in Science & Some believe in God...but at the end of the day...we all believe in something...Just look at our bodies....how we heal...amazing...God or evolution...who knows ?

Tor

15

Toasted daughter: Why Jephthah almost certainly sacrificed his daughter to a complicit Jehovah

by Diogenesister in

jehovah's witnesses insist that jephthah did not sacrifice his daughter to jehovah.

this is important to them because, rarther than jephthah just being a random bad person, jehovah was very much in on the deal.

after all, he made the promise to jehovah that he would "offer up as a burnt offering" on his return the first thing to come out of his house if jehovah would give the ammonites into his hands in battle, and since they were this makes jehovah complicit.. the isrealites had been getting a good thrashing of late, and the gilead elders (oh boy) had come out to ask jephthah, the rejected son of a prostitute (wouldn't you know it) and renown soldier, if he would lead the isrealites into battle for them.. this is when jephthah makes the deal with jehobo, and it all centres on the word for "burnt offering", which is given as "olah".

tor1500

Hi,

The moral of the story, be careful what you say to God and what you promise to him...he will hold you to it...In the case of Abraham, God asked for his son...& Abraham went willingly...but it wasn't his idea...God read his heart and said, well I know he doesn't want to give up his son, but looks like he's gonna do it...so God intervenes...

Now Jep, he made a promise...& so his yes has to be yes...I don't see anything in the bible that says God wants human sacrifices...one thing, God did warn ya...

Lets' take a look a Uzzah, it all looked innocent, he just tried to keep the Ark from falling...but the rationale of a JW would think...well God told many how it should be moved, not touched by human hands, must be carried on polls by humans...and so his heart did not have a pure motive (only God would know that)....

The JW's can't really explain this scripture about Jep & his daughter...because it does seem like she was toast...JW's can't wrap their heads around that...No not OUR JEHOVAH...he doesn't kill or accept human sacrifices...No, say it isn't so...

Just like they think God don't change his mind...yes he did...many times...God is not a Golden Calf...that don't hear or think...

Again, the moral of the story, don't promise nothing to God you can't or won't deliver.

Tor

32

Is Trump the President of Jerusalem too?

by tor1500 in

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friends

your thoughts...how is it that trump can dictate what goes on in other countries?

can anyone from another country come here and tell us what to do...trump is now the president of the world now, uh?.

i'm not really savvy regarding politics but i'm no dummy either...what the heck is going on in the world.... again, any thoughts ?

tor1500

@Faithnomore,

Thanks for the shout out....you understood it was a question. I was on another site and asked several questions to active JW's, wow, did they pounce on me...I befriended a few of the folks on the site and they would stick up for me and say, all they/me did was just ask a question. Many on the site had to calm down some of the witnesses. They would turn on you like a rabid dog...

I like this site, many intelligent folks.

You are right some folks are just passionate about life itself, so must tread lightly...It's said to never discuss politics and religion...I say discuss, but agree to disagree & yet don't have to remain disagreeable...

Tor

32

Is Trump the President of Jerusalem too?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

your thoughts...how is it that trump can dictate what goes on in other countries?

can anyone from another country come here and tell us what to do...trump is now the president of the world now, uh?.

i'm not really savvy regarding politics but i'm no dummy either...what the heck is going on in the world.... again, any thoughts ?

tor1500

Hi,

It was a question....that's all it was...just a question of thoughts...I know he is not the president of the world hardly one of the US...

I'm not mad...just commenting...I like your come back, because you bring out good points like others... again, I just wanted thoughts...I just wanted to know what others thought...that's all...thanks for your comment...Yes, I'm very uninformed...I don't get too much into politics...because politicians don't tell the truth...they are going to cut taxes then raise them then have a better Health Care then we aren't going to have Health Care...they make promises just to get elected...yet there are politicians who do care...

My question was sincere...I just wanted thoughts... & I got them...

Trump is something else...he does say what he wants...

Tor

34

Another congregation bites the dust

by NikL in

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went to the meeting last night with my believing wife.

the co was visiting and delivered a really cult-ish talk on loyalty but that's another story.. they made the announcement that starting january 1st they were going to have only 3 congregations in this town instead of 4.. they are dissolving one and growing the territories of the remaining 3. the reason given is that many of the elders are getting up there in age and can't do what they used to do.

basically not enough elders and ministerial servants...or even men reaching out for that matter.

tor1500

Hi,

If you look at any type of worship, it's mostly made up of females...if women were to leave worship, there would be a lot of empty pews, & chairs...

I agree when we go out in service, just a few brothers...it's mostly females...we like to gather & gossip...(lol).

Didn't Jehovah say this is Ps. 68:11:Jehovah gives the command;The women proclaiming the good news are a large army...

The congregations are going down in #'s...but the org. is shuffling so we won't notice...but folks are noticing...

As someone said, it's a social club...nothing to do with doctrine or God...just hanging together in the name of God to think they are safe and holy...Pulllll'eeeeeze...

Tor

32

Is Trump the President of Jerusalem too?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

your thoughts...how is it that trump can dictate what goes on in other countries?

can anyone from another country come here and tell us what to do...trump is now the president of the world now, uh?.

i'm not really savvy regarding politics but i'm no dummy either...what the heck is going on in the world.... again, any thoughts ?

tor1500

Hi,

I don't I was just asking for thoughts & ideas...I didn't think Trump was ....again, just thoughts...at the moment I'm just watching and listening to other peoples thoughts...that's all..no debates....

I come to this site to just say what's on my mind since I can't say it to the friends...let's not take offence to our ideas and thoughts...don't hold on to the JW debating gene...we are better than that, that's why we are here...

So again, any thoughts ?

Tor

32

Is Trump the President of Jerusalem too?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

your thoughts...how is it that trump can dictate what goes on in other countries?

can anyone from another country come here and tell us what to do...trump is now the president of the world now, uh?.

i'm not really savvy regarding politics but i'm no dummy either...what the heck is going on in the world.... again, any thoughts ?

tor1500

Hi,

Your thoughts...How is it that Trump can dictate what goes on in other countries? Can anyone from another country come here and tell us what to do...Trump is now the President of the world now, UH?

I'm not really savvy regarding Politics but I'm no dummy either...what the heck is going on in the world...

Again, any thoughts ? I love the comments on this site....smart folks...thinkers...

Tor

19

The Problems of Child Abuse

by Coded Logic in

i think it's absolutely disgusting how the organisation has treated childhood victims of pedophilia and rape.

i think their "standards" of requiring two witnesses for belief is absurd.

i think how they try and quietly brush things under the rug in the back rooms of kingdom halls is completely despicable.

tor1500

Hi,

The problem...ah, the problem...I'm going to run down the middle with this statement of question statement...would this be handled the same if it was females doing this?

We have become so calloused in this world...anything and everything goes...the new thing in NYC, if you see something say something...nobody wants to say nothing..even at my job nobody wants to rock the boat or even make decisions...everyone has their own agenda.

As I have brought out before on this site...in the prison system child rape or abuse isn't tolerated...other prisoners will deal with those type of offenders...so if prisons have a code, I'm just saying...

I think the reason child abuse/woman abuse is not really taken seriously, because nobody believes women, it's our fault, just like when God asked Adam about the fruit...the first thing he did was blame Eve...and folks it's been that way ever since...

Let me say, I love men...they are just as necessary as women are but, in my experience, men never take the blame for their actions..it was something that made them do it...not that they just wanted to do it but got caught...

Again, if the majority were women, wonder what type of comments & topic we would be reading today?

Remember when female teachers were sleeping with there students...the world was up in arms...how could they do this, & so on...another witch hunt..

Again, I'm just saying.

Tor

46

What Makes Someone Become a JW?

by minimus in

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my excuse is that i was born in the religion.

but if someone wasn’t, why would they become one?.

tor1500

@Stuckinarut2 & Onceanelder

Generally, people who are social misfits, or craving something in life, are the ones who accept a "utopian" message of hope.

Rarely if ever does a well educated, "normal" person accept "The Truth"!

& In a word, it appeals to ego.

Also Scratchmea1010 you got that right...all your points..

There are so many reasons. A sense of belonging. If you notice some of JW's are strange & if they were in any other religion, folks might not bother with them...again, birds of a feather flock together...

There is a certain personality that is attracted to a religion that punishes folks for just being human...Many JW's may just have an ego problem and this religion fills the void...

I've said it all over this site...for most JW's, JW is a badge of honor...they think suffering is holy...& like the Jews they are chosen.

Tor