Posts by tor1500

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Who Says JW's Are Not A Judgemental Cult

by FedUpJW in

checked out another thread on the jw talk cult site and found this new discussion under the heading makes it awkward...i think: .

hi brothers, hope we are all basking in jehovah's undeserved kindness.

well, anytime im having a bible study in the ministry and we get to d study 6 in the brochure; listen to god and live forever which has d topic : what do we learn from the great flood?

tor1500

@ Finkelstein,

You are so on point...this is my favorite scripture to use against DF'ing...If you look in other bibles it's there. I read somewhere that this may not have been a part of the original scriptures. Not sure if true or not. But it goes to show that Jesus wasn't judgmental as JW's are. That's why they took it out. Why ? Because it shows nobody is supposed to judge anyone....No mention of DF"ing is there? Jesus told the woman. This is from the Good News bible: He straightened up and said to her, “Where are they? Is there no one left to condemn you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she answered.

“Well, then,” Jesus said, “I do not condemn you either. Go, but do not sin again.”. That's it in a nutshell... If Jesus don't judge...why do Brothers judge ?

I have pointed this out scripture several times but no one commented on it. On this site and others.

But this is a good scripture to make a copy of and have it ready if you are ever called into the room....They know it too..

The problem with religion and worship (there are many problems) but one thing..."EVERYBODY THINKS THEY ARE RIGHT". I told this to a witness and they said, well, we know we are right...I said, there you go, and another denomination can say the same thing.

They say they never mess with the scriptures, no, but they delete them...

Tor

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What does shunning acomplish?

by poopie in

jw
friends

well in order to shun someone you must dehumanize them much like what occurred in slavery.

dehumanizing someone now allows you treat them worst then an animal.

and now you can justify ignoring them there not human anymore.

tor1500

Hi,

Shunning is a matter of control. It is supposed to make the person feel so bad about what they did. AKA: Guilty. Make you miss your JW family that you'll straighten up and fly right.

Many in the org. feel shunning df'ing is a good and loving thing....I don't think so....just like putting a child on time out, how long is that supposed to be for.

There are only approx. 8 million that think shunning is loving... Thank Goodness...just a drop in the bucket...

Shunning may work for some but for others it may not make a difference at all, they wanted to leave anyway.

So, the ? was what does it accomplish...NOTHING.

Tor

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The laziness of JW parents....

by stuckinarut2 in

it struck me that the society has created a culture of lazy jw parenting.. rather than parents being there to guide and direct and help their children through all stages of life, the gb / society has become the "go-too" for everything.. if the child has an issue, there is a wt article for that.. does the child need help with something else?

ah, there is a caleb and sophia cartoon for that.. what about that other topic?

ah, there is a book for that.. so rather than being present parents, the average jw parent simply outsources their parenting to the organization!

tor1500

Hi,

Most JW parents & JW's are just overwhelmed with life itself. Always in an exasperated mode, whether with or without children. I call it having the vapors. Many of them have a hard time just dealing with everyday life, always waiting for paradise, never really enjoying the here & now. Oh yes, they pretend to enjoy themselves. Just look at their sad eyes. Many laugh but it never reaches their eyes.

I agree, JW parents don't do anything by instinct only making the babies....they research everything to see Jehovah's view...aka: They haven't a clue to what they are doing. Can't even keep the child quiet during the meetings, we know that's hard because kids will be kids...they don't discipline their kids in front of the friends that's why the kids act up, cuz they know parents won't do anything.

Many JW's need a manual just to live life, so that's where the bible fits in for them. They are just basically to lazy to think. Just open a book & it's all laid out for you. But that goes for the religion itself, you don't have to think, it's all there for you.

Parents today are just different whether witnesses or not. They stress their kids out by keeping them busy so the parents don't have to interact with them...soccer lessons,practice, baseball, after school stuff...whatever, anything not to be with their kids, but to the parent they are doing the right thing...see I'm good to my kids...but no time for them...that's why some kids do what they please...parents don't pay them no mind, they don't know what they are doing or where they are going...that's how some slip through the cracks and end up shooting up schools...plain old ignoring their kids...we fight for pro-life to not abort the children but when they get here, we ignore them..

Parents are too into themselves today....JW parents are lazy because the org. makes them lazy and they want their kids...

Tor

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Everything I once knew as a JW, is now wrong.

by fulltimestudent in

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friends

just had 2 nice witnesses at the door.

without boring you with all the to-ing and fro-ing.

i invented a friend who became a witness back in the early 1950s, this friend tried to get me to become a witness, because his teachers father (a leader in that congregation) told him that the big a was coming in 5 years (which was true).

tor1500

Hi,

Before I became a witness, I was told that The JEWS were chosen & still are....came to be a witness and found out they were cut off...but when I read the scriptures they are not completely cut off, God is just mad at them at the moment but they ain't cut off at all...We are grafted into the branch...the branch is the Jew...Romans 11:11:So I ask, They did not stumble and fall completely, did they? Certainly not! But by their false step, there is salvation to people of the nations, to incite them to jealousy.11:17-21:However, if some of the branches were broken off and you, although being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became a sharer of the richness of the olive’s root, 18 do not be arrogant toward* the branches. If, though, you are arrogant toward* them,r remember that it is not you who bears the root, but the root bears you. 19 You will say, then: “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”s 20 That is true! For their lack of faith, they were broken off,t but you are standing by faith.u Do not be haughty, but be in fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.

Now I find, God ain't finish with the Jews just yet....It's like when a parent gives you a gift & you don't appreciate it so they give it to someone who will & then the one that first got the gift is now jealous, so maybe if given another gift they would appreciate it more...

There is so much JW's teach that are only their teachings....at the time they began they sounded different from other religions. People were tired of having questions and the clergy telling them God is a mystery so the JW's jumped on it...but they went past the scriptures...

Tor

15

Damon Wayans

by label licker in

this just breaks my heart.

one of my favorite actors.

i wonder why he went back.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgxx7knkwzc.

tor1500

Hi,

I think his family was JW's from what I heard. I didn't know he went back. He went back b'cuz he had, had his fun...sex drugs & rock & roll. That happens when folks do all they want, as they get older they begin to think about their life. They did all they wanted to do and now they can be a witness or religious...hope he won't be overly zealous...you know when folks did what they wanted to do they are more judgmental than anybody.

I just learned something, I didn't know there was a show called Lethal Weapon...I thought it was just a movie...learn something new everyday...

There is another actor Terrance Howard that was raised or exposed to the witnesses and said if he ever joined a religion it would only be the JW's. Deep down folks who were a witness and want to come back there is some type of guilt they are working off...& believe me the ones that return after being out there, they will throw folks under the bus to be DF'd..because they have so much guilt and won't confess their stuff but will so they tell other folks stuff...

Well to each his own.

Tor

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Are Jehovahs Witnesses headed towards becoming one of the most controversial and talked about religions on YouTube

by UnshackleTheChains in

given the numerous videos on youtube about all the scandals and controversies of the watchtower bible and tract society.

are they headed to becoming one of the most infamous religious groups in the world for all the wrong reasons?.

tor1500

@ JWLeaks, & All,

You hit the nail on the head. The core of a witness is "self". That's the common denominator of JW personality. Most of them need some type of validation. The org. strokes one ego...read a scripture, repeat a comment from their literature, they beam when someone says loved your comment or your reading...help someone take off their sweater or jacket (ever notice when one needs to take off a jacket or a sweater the entire congregation tries to help and almost take your arm off). JW's only do things to be seen, they are most helpful when in public or around folks who aren't witnesses to say see, we are so helpful. If you go into a restroom & it's crowded, they get to cleaning to show how holy & pious and clean they are (most of them are germaphobics)....but bet you if no one is in the bathroom they do just like most...do their thing wash their hands & walk out.

Most of them would not survive in a church with a big congregation because they would just a member and to stand out you would have to join different committees to be important & in churches when you join a committee you have to be reliable...none of this woe is me. They would get lost in a church. No one would care if they are suffering...JW's enjoy bad health...JW's have to fake being sick because that's the only way to miss a meeting...you can't just say, I was tired and wanted to go home..no you have to make up a medical condition so when you don't come, the friends will say well, so & so isn't here but you know they suffer with.....(you can fill in the blanks). Most of them are healthier than most they are always in the street in the fresh air walking....

There is a saying...Birds of a feather flock together...that's my opinion of the org. same type of personalities...See Me syndrome...

As many have said, most folks know witnesses but all they know is we don't celebrate holidays, no blood, & just heard someone say, Only 144,000 going to heaven....I know that blew that person's head...but to be fair, why would the bible say, The meek will inherit the earth. Children will be playing with animals, don't that sound like earth to me...New Heavens & New Earth, I'm just saying...The way the JW's explain this new system sound perfect but we still will have a government...only it will be in heaven...

Well all that to say, nobody cares about JW's. Something real controversial has to happen at the top...

Just like with this HS shootings, Gov't won't care until it happens to one of their children, but hope not.

Tor

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Bible Prophecy and the GB

by Lost in the fog in

ofriends, having followed many of your posts on this website, i am convinced that the prophecy of the last days as penned in 2nd timothy 3:1-7 is actually now being fulfilled by the present governing body.. .

2 tim 3:1… but know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.

(definitely, we all face hardships from the gb policies.

tor1500

Hi,

These two have always reminded me of our D2D...we prey on folks who are weak and going through stuff...and then we love bomb'em...I do agree that we/GB/JW are fulfilling bible prophesy...otherwise why do we know it so well...it's always easy to recognize yourself & say it's someone else...

For the most part JW's use the org. for social outlet...they get nothing out of the meetings/assemblies or conventions...it's just to get out the house & look holy...

☑️From among these arise men who slyly work their way into households and captivate weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires, (Camp followers, photos with the GB, Bibles signed by the GB.)

☑️ always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth. (Revised understanding, New Light).

@Neat Blue, exactly...JW's have applied the scriptures to themselves...they even say the first DF'ing was when Jehovah thru Adam out of the Garden...(but he never shunned him)....I think you are right about the Jerusalem thing...The bible has great stories...The good against the bad...I take from the bible is how to treat folks and have patience for them...

JW's know the bible back to front but can't apply it that's why they fiend for a bible student so they appear to be doing the right thing all the while just telling their student what to do but they never do it....those who can do..do, those who can't...TEACH...

There is another generation coming up....don't think they'll swallow the kool-aide...remember, this generation put a BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE..they are not cut from the same cloth as their parents...just like we weren't..The baby boomers, made statements...we were about sex, drugs & rock & roll, but a lot of changes and good things came from that generation...We protested, butt our heads against the establishment...etc...

Just to add...since I'm a witness, I can say, no matter how they change the doctrine it will never shake the faith of a witness...because the org. admits they have a new understanding & to a witness that is a humble move...many of the friends say, the org. is so humble they are not like other religions, FDS/GB's (whoever writes this stuff), admit when they are wrong (never use that word, it's a new understanding)...you know like when an abusive spouse says, he/she has a new understanding that he/she should not abuse.....the abused spouse will say, well at least they admitted it...I think even if they admitted to child abuse (the org.) it will all be how they phrase it...

Remember how the Catholics got a new understanding that they shouldn't burn folks...

Tor

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Is Trump Doing Better Than You Thought As President!

by minimus in

jw
friends

i know that some here detested him while others may have simply accepted the reality of who is president.. do you think he is better than you might have thought as a president?.

tor1500

Hi,

Trump always says...Let's take back America...My question is .....WHO TOOK IT...

The White House is now White again...could that be what he means...

Trump is 70 yrs. old...he is a business man..doesn't know a thing about politics...he's used to getting his way and No is not in his vocabulary. Being president was on his bucket list...

I talk to many folks that say, how did he get in...he was voted in...it's just that now he isn't doing what folks expected he would do, so now they are angry...but he was voted in...Russian help, maybe yes maybe no...many folks said they were not going to vote for him & they did...just like when Obama ran, many said they would vote for him...NOT...when folks close that curtain to vote, you never know...

The media are all over him...it's a good thing, otherwise they wouldn't have any thing to report...

If they impeach him...who they got... NOBODY...

Is Trump doing better than I thought...no matter who gets elected...I still have to get up and go to work & pay my rent and taxes...that hasn't changed...

The Presidents are just puppets...we know who runs things...

Tor

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PORTUGAL: Filed a petition to the parliament to erase the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness

by EdenOne in

based on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.

the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.

the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.

tor1500

Hi,

Your choice of religion/faith is personal & that's why the gov't should not choose your belief...again, it's a personal matter.

The more exposure the org. gets in regards to their inner workings the better. No the petition may not do anything but it's showing that JW's are concerned. I'm a witness...not a extreme witness...I go to the hall when I can...in regards to the shunning thing, some take it to another level, some don't talk to the DF'd person, even go out of their way to be rude to them. But that's who they would be even if they were not a witness.

Many may not talk at the hall, but at home most likely they do.

The only thing this petition can do is show what this religion is really about...join at your own risk. That is why they give you the inner workings like a drip...they know if you know all, most likely you won't join.

I don't think the gov't can stop the shunning but this may shed some light on the ARC thing...

This time we just might have to wait on Jehovah really clean the org. His clean not man's clean...I know I know he is taking his time...but as I mentioned in another topic. Maybe he is waiting for the org's conscience to kick in and clean up their own act...this could be why so much is being written but he's just saying...OK, OK, you see it's closing in on you...You can give yourself up or I can...he is saying to the org...You don't want me to come down there, now do you..(spoken like a parent).

Negative press, no just real press of what the real org. is like...no sugar coating...there are rules and regs. to belong to the witnesses...more rules than Jesus would ever put on us...

Jesus is about LOVE...

Tor

18

Superbly Written Article in Canadian Magazine

by berrygerry in

jehovah's witnesses cover-up.

http://www.ucobserver.org/justice/2018/01/jw/.

tor1500

Hi,

What a great and honest article...do these scriptures come to mind:

Mark 4:22: For there is nothing hidden that will not be exposed; nothing is carefully concealed that will not come out in the open.

Matt. 10:26:So do not fear them, for there is nothing covered over that will not become uncovered, and nothing secret that will not become known

Luke 8:17:For there is nothing hidden that will not become manifest, nor anything carefully concealed that will never become known and not come out in the open.

Now for those who believe in God & the bible these scriptures show just where the world is today...seems every scandal is being exposed...folks are giving themselves up even before they are confronted...The gov't is being shown for who they have always been. Nothing and no one is safe...

Even if the society doesn't respond it doesn't have to. The longer they stay quiet the more articles will be written..they can run but they can't hide...most likely they are using the scripture where Jesus was asked a question and he never answered...but Jesus was in the right...the society is being quiet about something that is wrong. They will wait on Jehovah, but do they think that Jehovah is waiting on the society to come clean? That would never occur to them...Pride...& doesn't pride come before the fall...Too many articles to ignore...this is Canada...right next door to US/NYC...

Many of us want the org. exposed...the way things are being exposed...just wait...it's just a matter of time....in the words of MLK...How long ? Not Long...

It's a good article & it's the truth...anyone who is a JW can't deny it's the truth...

Tick Tick Tick...

Tor

Luke 12:2:But there is nothing carefully concealed that will not be revealed, and nothing secret that will not become known.b 3 Therefore, whatever you say in the darkness will be heard in the light, and what you whisper* in private rooms will be preached from the housetops