Posts by Sassenach

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Do Kids Hate Being JW`s?

by Englishman in

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my kid brother, tom, was born to witness parents.

he was something of a surprise package and my parents were delighted.

my father said that tom was:.

Sassenach

About this group being a representative sample:

I have lurked at other sites like witnesses.net and witnesses online. On the the parenting forums as well as others there were threads on how to keep your children apart from worldly children. Also, there were experiences about not playing with worldly children as youths and not getting involved in school activities. The difference was that those on witnesses.net spoke of how glad they were that their parents didn't allow them to play with worldly children or get involved in sports.

If you compare the various online jehovahs witness' forums, ex jw and jw, the experiences are pretty consistent. The perception as to whether it was a positive or negative experience seems to be what differs here.

None of the jehovah's witnesses that I know personally allow their children to participate in school activities. The woman that my grandmother studies with does not even allow her children to play with non-jehovah's witnesses. The people I know take their religion very seriously and I believe that they are sincere in thinking that they are doing what is right. At least if they are sincere I can respect them, but to belong to a religion and go door to door making converts and then say that they "take it with a grain of salt" sounds very hypocritical to me.

I just wanted to edit this and add that, I think some people have compelling reasons for maintaining their status as one of jehovahs-witnesses even though they do not believe everything that is taught. I didn't intend to call those ones hypocrits.

Edited by - Sassenach on 14 February 2001 2:32:22

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Can You Believe THIS?

by LDH in

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from the jw-media site http://www.jw-media.org.

::::do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?.

many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not jehovah's witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.

Sassenach

Why would God give you free choice and then punish you for it.

If I were a creator I would be most proud of the creation that grew to be independent and thought for itself, not constantly asking my opinion. I would think the majority of parents are proudest of their children when they are successful and independent, can behave without being threatened, can live together in harmony with those they differ with---I simply don't understand God.

(perhaps I should offer to be a deity for this new religion you people are starting---I'd like being worshipped)

Edited by - Sassenach on 1 February 2001 21:27:22

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Can You Believe THIS?

by LDH in

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from the jw-media site http://www.jw-media.org.

::::do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?.

many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not jehovah's witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.

Sassenach

DFshipped, thank you so much for your honesty. I have had several jehovah's witnesses say very much the same thing. That he has always had a favored group and that is what they consider themselves to be. His present favorite. There is biblical precedence.

When Jesus was on earth he told His followers that he was going to allow the wheat to grow together with the weeds. What do you think he meant by that?

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Jesus apostate?

by thinker in

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the following is from a post at w.o.l.. identifying counterfiet christianity .

before becoming an interpreter i worked in a bank.

part of our training included how to identify counterfiet bills.

Sassenach

Have you read Soul Music, RHW? I just finished it.

It is said that whosoever the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. In fact, whosoever the gods wish to destroy, they first hand the equivalent of a stick with a fizzing fuse and Acme Dynamite Company written on the side. It's more interesting, and doesn't take so long.

-- (Terry Pratchett, Soul Music)

Wyrd Sisters has been my favorite to date.

In fact, no gods anywhere play chess. They prefer simple, vicious games, where you Do Not Achieve Transcendence but Go Straight to Oblivion; a key to the understanding of all religion is that a god's idea of amusement is Snakes and Ladders with greased rungs.

-- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters)

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Jesus apostate?

by thinker in

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the following is from a post at w.o.l.. identifying counterfiet christianity .

before becoming an interpreter i worked in a bank.

part of our training included how to identify counterfiet bills.

Sassenach

Amicus, Terry Pratchett has the same effect on me. I laugh out loud on public transit! He has a brilliant mind, doesn't he?

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Can You Believe THIS?

by LDH in

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friends

from the jw-media site http://www.jw-media.org.

::::do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?.

many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not jehovah's witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.

Sassenach

I believe you'd have to nail down the definition of 'before,' I suppose if that means immediately before, that's one thing and if it means a while before,that means something else.

Xandit, I think before means before! Prior to God's time of judgement. Remember it will come as a thief in the night, peace and security being the word of the day. So before as in "immediately before" shouldn't be any different, should it?

If I make someone think that really makes my day.

It isn't very thought provoking to be in agreement with everyone.

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Can You Believe THIS?

by LDH in

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friends

from the jw-media site http://www.jw-media.org.

::::do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?.

many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not jehovah's witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.

Sassenach

Larc, I have never lived in that culture. I would like to consider myself a dispassionate observer, except two close relatives continue to study. I think it's more for entertainment, so I'm not overly concerned.

I think I can speak as an outsider ("sassenach" is an outsider!), and as one, I cannot fathom how Xandit comes to the conclusions he does. I see him as one who wants to continue to believe, rather than one that is observing. Most casual observers don't know as much as he appears to know.

That is just my personal reaction. I've been wrong many times before.

I will say that Xandit is quite a comversation starter!

He makes me think, that's for certain.

Edited by - Sassenach on 29 January 2001 10:34:50

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Can You Believe THIS?

by LDH in

jw
friends

from the jw-media site http://www.jw-media.org.

::::do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?.

many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not jehovah's witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.

Sassenach

Xandit, are you going to respond to my questions? According the the watchtower world, what does "take a stand for truth" entail?

The question at the top was:

"Do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?"

With a bit of prevarication they responded with:

"Many now living may yet take a stand for truth and righteousness before God's time of judgment, and they will gain salvation."

Notice the word "before"? They must take the stand "before" god's time of judgement, not during nor after. I would accept your understanding if the "before" had not been there. So, I ask you once again, what does "taking a stand for truth and righteousness" entail? Not according to you, but according to the writings of the watchtower.

Could you please answer? It would be much appreciated.

Edited by - Sassenach on 29 January 2001 8:52:16

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Can You Believe THIS?

by LDH in

jw
friends

from the jw-media site http://www.jw-media.org.

::::do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?.

many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not jehovah's witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.

Sassenach

take a stand for truth and righteousness before God's time of
judgment,

Xandit, what does "take a stand for truth" entail? The term I hear quite frequently where I live is "take the truth". It means to become one of jehovahs' witnesses.

6. During Jesus' Thousand Year Reign, faithful humans will work to turn the whole earth into a paradise. (Luke 23:43) Also, millions of dead ones will be resurrected to human life on the earth. (Acts 24:15) If they do what God requires of them, they will continue to live on earth forever. If not, they will be destroyed forever.?John 5:28, 29; Revelation 20:11-15.

7. God's original purpose for the earth will thus succeed. Would you like to share in these future blessings? If so, you need to keep learning about Jehovah and obeying his requirements. Attending meetings at the local Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses will help you to do so.?Isaiah 11:9; Hebrews 10:24, 25.

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1. To become a friend of God, you must obtain a good knowledge of Bible truth (1 Timothy 2:3, 4), put faith in the things you have learned (Hebrews 11:6), repent of your sins (Acts 17:30, 31), and turn around in your course of life. (Acts 3:19) Then your love for God should move you to dedicate yourself to him. This means that in a personal, private prayer you tell him that you are giving yourself to him to do his will.?Matthew 16:24; 22:37.

2. After you have made your dedication to God, you should be baptized. (Matthew 28:19, 20) Baptism lets everyone know that you have dedicated yourself to Jehovah. So baptism is only for those who are old enough to make a decision to serve God. When a person is baptized, his whole body should be put under the water momentarily.*?Mark 1:9, 10; Acts 8:36.

( http://www.watchtower.org/library/rq/index.htm )

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Xandit, I think it is very clear from the publications what is expected. Why do you think otherwise? I have read nothing that suggests there is another course for one to take.

Edited by - Sassenach on 27 January 2001 12:8:23

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1975 ???

by Scorpion in

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friends

the end of 6000 years is 1873. wt 7/15/1894 p.1675.

"in what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of god's rest day come to an end?

the year 1975.

Sassenach

Larc, I will look for it. Thanks.