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  reappoinments to elder or MS after a move...why?

  by chester in

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  this may have already been discussed in this or other forums and i may have missed it.. in another thread chipster mentioned something about coming up for reappointment after a move.

  especially if i was coming up for reappointent after a move.

  it has always been a puzzle to me why a brother should have to be reappointed to his position after he moves to another congregation.. i have never heard anyone complain about it.

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  moxy
  i should clarify one thing, although the new elder was put on the schedule before reappointment, the actual date for his part in the ministry school was after the letter of appointment was read. I think i was the only person in the cong who knew he was already on the schedule because i was standing in front of the bullitin board when the school overseer told brother "new" which part he would take. you see the schedule was already up and someone had "copped out" so to speak of a talk.

  now concerning your situation, you gave a public talk before appointment. i am referring to a part in the ministry school. I am most certain that either the school schedule in one of the fall KMs or the school guide book (i think the former) states that the first two parts ARE TO BE GIVEN BY AN ELDER OR MINISTERIAL SERVANT. please referance an appropriate statement if i have this wrong.

  also, it was the PO(brother "new"'s old old friend) who had the connection with ken little.

  Finally, as i pointed out, this was not a very capable elder. I believe the main reason he was recruited was to insure the promotion of a ministerial servant to the rank of elder. You see this MS was really new (baptized about 2 years).And i think the Po was loading the BOE to insure the Promotion(this MS had kissed up to all theelders becoming best friends with the PO before Becoming even an unbaptized pub). It was pretty obvious that one of the elders wouldn't rubber stamp the promo and the new elder seemingly convinced him to change his mind. However, i don't know how these things work at elder meetings, but would be interested to here your take on it.
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  reappoinments to elder or MS after a move...why?

  by chester in

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  2. friends

  this may have already been discussed in this or other forums and i may have missed it.. in another thread chipster mentioned something about coming up for reappointment after a move.

  especially if i was coming up for reappointent after a move.

  it has always been a puzzle to me why a brother should have to be reappointed to his position after he moves to another congregation.. i have never heard anyone complain about it.

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  it all depends who you are friends with!
  i once watched the ministry school overseer tell a brother (who had just moved in from 1000 miles away and was living in another city 40 miles away) which parts he would have in the upcoming months. (they were no 1's, elder or m.s. only). this was 1 month before co's visit.there was no announcement that brother "new" was appointed as an elder until 1 month after co's visit(branch letter). Of course brother "new" had a brother in the circuit work, was close friends to the PO(the PO's father had brought brother "new" into the un-truth(i recall hearing that the PO's father had also bought in a family of which a daughter had married Ken Little, Canada Branch Overseer, although no proof), also bother "new" has a son who is married to the daughter of the local jdub godfather(he goes to the corporation meetings every october).So as you can see the discision was made before the co's visit.To finish off the storey, brother "new" was a real idiot. once he stated that women in quebec were not allowed to take their husband's surname(during the Tower that he was conducting). he should have known better, he had moved in from Montreal, the largest city in quebec.No one ever questioned this (he is an elder after all) even though several in the cong had attended weddings in montreal including the the daughter of another elder and everone knew better.

  dumb dumb wasn't even living in the cong's territory during this time. when he moved, he moved in with his son who lived in another cong where the need was greater for "qualified" men.
  to top it all off meeting times were even put back, one of the reasons given being to allow for brother "new " to get to the KH on time.
  any way that's my rant for today. I know the nepotism sounds like something from the british royal family but it's all true.
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  WTBTS membership count prediction

  by Skimmer in

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  some thoughts on statistical projections of the wtbts membership count:.

  1) extrapolation (projection beyond known statistics) is hazardous for any measurement that does not derive from a simple model.

  an accurate model of the wtbts membership count would have to include demographics for each of the countries, and this would have to combine population age distribution data, educational attainment data, economic data, current wtbts coverage, and (of course!

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  just wondering folks
  Are there any more congs like my old one?
  the only new faces there for the last ten years were old faces from other places who moved in!
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  The Astrodome Was Half Empty or Half Full?

  by Big Jim in

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  the district assembly in houston tx last weekend was a trip!.

  first of all i was obliged to go because my daughter was babtised.. it was the longest day that i have had in some years now.

  i guess the longest day i have had since i quit the non-truth 5 years ago.. there was about 15,000 plus in attendance,for anyone who knows how big the astrodome is you would understand what a small group it appeared to be in that big dome.i attended a international assembly there back in 1975 i believe it was,and the dome was packed.. i have also been to many district assemblys there and there was always at least 20,000 plus in attendance.. i made good use of my waisted time and made some observations that i thought i would share with you.. here they are:.

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  metatron

  counting children old enough to listen sounds like something a pharisee would dream up.

  Fred hahall

  Big jim is absolutely right. when i left 3.5 years ago attendance at local circus assemblies had drooped to 450 from 600 in only 3 years.

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  Backstabbing - not what it used to be!

  by Sunbeam in

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  i just thought i'd share some jw mum sayings with you.

  it can be painful seeing someone waste their lives in the borg.

  but sometimes you've just got to laugh.

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  I agree about the emotional aspects of most dubs faith. I also wonder how many stay in after relizing the folly of their ways because they have invested so much time(years, or worse, decades)in the borg. How many could face their neighbors or workmates having to admit that they had been decieved all along (all during the time of the preachy we're all right, the world's all wrong and holier than thou attitude)
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  Young dubs move away to hide wrongdoing?

  by sawthelight in

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  sister s (from another tread)was being sent off to live with her grandparents to get her away from her worldly boyfriend.

  this type of situation also ocurred in my area and i was wondering how prevelent it was.

  one particular family had daughters who had model/movie star good looks and this approach was tried-unsuccessfully.

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  closer2fine
  i'm glad to see that you are free of the borg. its to bad that the elders couldn't answer your questions but it certainly isn't surprising considering the amount of time all JWs spend not studying the bible. Concerning our discusion, did other dubs whisper behind your back saying things like "clear2fine is going through a diffiCULT time" or other condescending things. Also, did stories like i mentioned in the original thread ever come up at circuit assemblies or district conventions in you area?
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  Backstabbing - not what it used to be!

  by Sunbeam in

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  i just thought i'd share some jw mum sayings with you.

  it can be painful seeing someone waste their lives in the borg.

  but sometimes you've just got to laugh.

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  Sunbeam
  locally the standard quote from many(usually honest hearted sisters sometimes with unbelieving mates) when they don't understand something i.e. the whole bible because they only study "Towers" for Sunday morning- is "you should talk to one of the elders, they could explain it". Its sad but true.
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  JUSTICE #15 - Parking Lot DFing

  by Amazing in

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  parking lot disfellowshipping .

  [i have changed the sequence of the justice series.

  i will post the other titles later.].

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  Point taken Rcat
  and i've done just that
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  Climbing the Corporate Ladder - Why They Do It

  by Black Man in

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  that the wts is nothing more than a business is painfully obvious in the way many brothers seek 'positions'.

  i was always highly doubtful of the 'appointed by holy spirit' bs that we were always fed.

  appointments often came down to who kissed up the most to the decision-makers.

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  Black man
  I agree that Elders and M.S. are a bunch of suck ups. In one of the local congs.(North Sydney, Nova scotia) a man was made a M.S. about 5/6 yrs ago. He had been baptized about 6 months when the announcement was made. The CO's visit had been a month earlier when "brother new" was put on display (read at bookstudy, talk in mistry school, etc.). the schedule for these meetings had been made at least a month before this. So, in essence the decision to "promote this man had been made when he had been baptized for 4 months at most. There were other more qualified brothers who were passed over as well. Why was it Done? Because brother new spent most of his time chasing the elders and kissing their arses in particular the PO who he became best friends with before he was even an unbaptized publisher. sound familiar, too much so for me .
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  Young dubs move away to hide wrongdoing?

  by sawthelight in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sister s (from another tread)was being sent off to live with her grandparents to get her away from her worldly boyfriend.

  this type of situation also ocurred in my area and i was wondering how prevelent it was.

  one particular family had daughters who had model/movie star good looks and this approach was tried-unsuccessfully.

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  Hello all
  Sister s (from another tread)was being sent off to live with her grandparents to get her away from her worldly boyfriend. This type of situation also ocurred in my area and i was wondering how prevelent it was. One particular family had daughters who had model/movie star good looks and this approach was tried-unsuccessfully. I also noticed that it was the families who were stronger in the "truth" who tried this(ie the father was a M.S. or Elder. It seemed to me that having someone else do the work of keeping you family in subjection would disqualify a man from either position on the basis of the scriptural qualifications. On the flip side someone once said to me(very sarcastically) that young ones who were sent away could srew around ten times as much and no one locally had to know about it(therfore the familie's rep could go unblemished.lol).
  Any thoughts
  sawthelight