you all pretty much know my story so i won't repeat it but.... to say i'm being hounded by my local congregation is an understatement.
today the cobe finally found us in.
well, i refused to answer the door but my husband did.
Phoebe, i cannot add much to the comments already made, only that I wish we could save you all this pain and trouble somehow. We are made to sneak around and be careful of what we say like the offenders in the situation, while we are in fact the victims!
Hope everything works out!
i have been sneakily looking at this forum, almost every day, ever since it began!
it has taken me till now to actually register and contribute.
(actually i did register with a different name in the beginning but never commented).. i am a pimo elder with a fairly long history of senior "positions" in the organization.
Welcome pimojw,
I believed for a long time that I had "the truth" and it was sad to realize that it was man made.
Where we go from here is our own journey, not controlled by people but by our own hearts and minds. Whether it be in spirit towards a God or rationally towards facts and proof, for some this is also where they discover themselves.
All the best.
do any of the current governing body have academic qualifications?.
thanks.
paul.
If you don't need "worldly" qualifications when you are guided by spirit, why do they employ qualified attorneys and lawyers to defend them?
Surely even a carpenter can defend gods organisation when guided by the spirit of truth.
i've only just stopped laughing.. in my old hall there's a brother who's now claiming to be of the anointed.. he's 28.. i do wonder if he's doing this for attention, if he's awake and messing with them, or if he really is that deluded.
when i was in he was an ms. which surprised even me because only a year earlier than that he was "a bit of a lad", is rubbish at talks and relies on his elder uncle to get him out of trouble all the time.. i guess this now means he's get his pick of jw sisters.
he's been after the same one as the rest of his peers since 2014..
Once there was a visiting brother doing a talk and before he arrived there were rumors that he was anointed going around. After the talk another brother told me he got goosebumps listening to the talk, and could feel the holy spirit working in the speaker, and he was definitely heavenly class. All I felt was indigestion from an unreasonable breakfast.
in natural calamities, everyone (despite one’s faith) is affected.
when one denies god’s existence, he experiences no punishment from him.
when one worships him, he receives no special favor from him.
@deegee
I agree with you points. If we dont accept hearsay, how can we form an idea of how, what, who god is?
Yet people using theories (like the cosmos exist, thus god exists), build views on his existence, abilities, personality, how he acts, what he likes and doesn't like etc. They can even end up deciding if he is christian, muslim etc. They can even end up judging others for their beliefs or lack there of.
Sorry to say that it feels like filling the gap with imagination, not facts. And too big of a leap.
in natural calamities, everyone (despite one’s faith) is affected.
when one denies god’s existence, he experiences no punishment from him.
when one worships him, he receives no special favor from him.
@deegee
Thanks for finding me on another thread, appreciated!
what do you consider sinful?
okay, i know many of you no longer believe that there is a god.
just bear with me a little, just assumed that there is a creator or god.
deegee,
Some people choose to believe that God exists but that he is not interventionist. He just created the world then went AWOL (deism).
I had a discussion about the quoted belief recently, and I could not grasp the position, because it starts with a belief (the source of which I could not Identify, other than personal choice or human influence), and then a explanation. I don't want to leave JW and then fall into a situation where I follow people again, or use my imagination.
Thanks for the excerpt, much appreciated!
once i left ,i was done.
in over 10 years i didn't return except for my mother's funeral.
did you ever re enter the kh after you left?.
I went back a year or two ago for my moms sake, and when I approached the kh door I was overcome by a literal and very real fear that I would catch fire spontaneously when I entered.......sad I know. The talk turned out to be empty and nauseating, and fortunately I didn't die by fire.
what do you consider sinful?
okay, i know many of you no longer believe that there is a god.
just bear with me a little, just assumed that there is a creator or god.
sinboi,
I sympathize with your situation, I'm also going through a similar struggle. That is why I called myself confusedalot. JW's dogma is so strict that it leaves a huge hole inside us. Not only do we struggle with who/how God is, what sin is etc., but also, and maybe more importantly who WE are.
What I'm thinking about at the moment is: Am I able to understand/define/know God without someone(human by word, texts, media, traditions) telling me these things? In all my years God has never told me directly who or what he is and what he requires. People have told me. And if you say the bible told you, I have to say, who told you the bible is Gods word; people, the bible itself, or God directly?
Currently I'm leaning towards atheism, but who knows, tomorrow I may be in tears calling on the name of Jehovah again, unfortunately for some of us this is part of leaving JW. Good luck!
in natural calamities, everyone (despite one’s faith) is affected.
when one denies god’s existence, he experiences no punishment from him.
when one worships him, he receives no special favor from him.
venus,
What suits you may be something else which obviously you need to find out.
I agree, your position on God is a bit out of my reach for now. I will keep searching for something that addresses my current situation. Where I'l end up I'm not sure.
Thank you.
