Posts by Confusedalot

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gb, PLEASE, PLEASE UP THE ORGANIZATIONAL HARSHNESS IN 2018

by steve2 in

sometimes i have expressed a longing for jw organization to tone down its rhetoric and become, well, nicer and more loving.

i have not been alone in my hope.

some posters have even said that if a wave of kindness washed over jw organization and, say, the shunning doctrine was modified (e.g., left up to the individual's conscience without fear of retribution from elders), they'd go back.

Confusedalot

I'm sorry but I cannot agree. I know people who will follow the WT into the fire without a second thought. I pray WT eases up on the control, especially when it comes to child abuse.

In exodus the pharaoh's heart was hardened, and it caused great suffering before the end and resulted in the freedom of the Hebrews, but the demise of the Egyptians. It did work. What you are suggesting may be similar, the only difference is that the ones we want to save are not the Hebrews temporarily in captivity, but they are so misled and controlled that they ARE the Egyptians!

In the end if there is a God these trapped people will not be judged, and are free by the blood of Christ. Lets rather hope WT can come to the light and lets not wish more pain on its members.

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Professions in the Paradise

by The Real Edward Gentry in

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we know there will be no money in paradise.

but there will almost certainly be jobs to do.

we will be perfect at our jobs but that doesn't mean we will be perfect at every job.

Confusedalot

If you think having Moses, Elijah or Noah repairing your roof or making your cabinets has special meaning, you are elevating these men of flesh and forgetting the one by whose power their great deeds were done. Hopefully there (in paradise), we would stop revering men, or I fear it may be a case where 'flesh' inherited the kingdom of God.

Also, having possessions like houses and cabinets etc. is a way of elevating oneself, and again that would imply we did not leave 'the world and its desires' behind. Back to square one I guess.

I fear these are ways in which Jehovah's Witnesses have made their members blind to the spirit, giving them a compromise where flesh can have eternal life, yet the main theme of the gospel of the good news is our escape from the flesh. The devil said to Eve "you will surely not die", and JW's unfortunately believe that, believing their flesh will live eternally in paradise. Sad, the son of god wasted his time! May that not be so.

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So today this happened...

by Phoebe in

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you all pretty much know my story so i won't repeat it but.... to say i'm being hounded by my local congregation is an understatement.

today the cobe finally found us in.

well, i refused to answer the door but my husband did.

Confusedalot

Phoebe, i cannot add much to the comments already made, only that I wish we could save you all this pain and trouble somehow. We are made to sneak around and be careful of what we say like the offenders in the situation, while we are in fact the victims!

Hope everything works out!

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Saying hello for first time

by pimojw in

i have been sneakily looking at this forum, almost every day, ever since it began!

it has taken me till now to actually register and contribute.

(actually i did register with a different name in the beginning but never commented).. i am a pimo elder with a fairly long history of senior "positions" in the organization.

Confusedalot

Welcome pimojw,

I believed for a long time that I had "the truth" and it was sad to realize that it was man made.

Where we go from here is our own journey, not controlled by people but by our own hearts and minds. Whether it be in spirit towards a God or rationally towards facts and proof, for some this is also where they discover themselves.

All the best.

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Do any of the current Governing Body have academic qualifications?

by usualusername1 in

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do any of the current governing body have academic qualifications?.

thanks.

paul.

Confusedalot

If you don't need "worldly" qualifications when you are guided by spirit, why do they employ qualified attorneys and lawyers to defend them?

Surely even a carpenter can defend gods organisation when guided by the spirit of truth.

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New "Annointed" Brother In My Old Hall...

by pale.emperor in

i've only just stopped laughing.. in my old hall there's a brother who's now claiming to be of the anointed.. he's 28.. i do wonder if he's doing this for attention, if he's awake and messing with them, or if he really is that deluded.

when i was in he was an ms. which surprised even me because only a year earlier than that he was "a bit of a lad", is rubbish at talks and relies on his elder uncle to get him out of trouble all the time.. i guess this now means he's get his pick of jw sisters.

he's been after the same one as the rest of his peers since 2014..

Confusedalot

Once there was a visiting brother doing a talk and before he arrived there were rumors that he was anointed going around. After the talk another brother told me he got goosebumps listening to the talk, and could feel the holy spirit working in the speaker, and he was definitely heavenly class. All I felt was indigestion from an unreasonable breakfast.

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Either God’s non-existence or His majesty

by venus in

in natural calamities, everyone (despite one’s faith) is affected.

when one denies god’s existence, he experiences no punishment from him.

when one worships him, he receives no special favor from him.

Confusedalot

@deegee

I agree with you points. If we dont accept hearsay, how can we form an idea of how, what, who god is?

Yet people using theories (like the cosmos exist, thus god exists), build views on his existence, abilities, personality, how he acts, what he likes and doesn't like etc. They can even end up deciding if he is christian, muslim etc. They can even end up judging others for their beliefs or lack there of.

Sorry to say that it feels like filling the gap with imagination, not facts. And too big of a leap.

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Either God’s non-existence or His majesty

by venus in

in natural calamities, everyone (despite one’s faith) is affected.

when one denies god’s existence, he experiences no punishment from him.

when one worships him, he receives no special favor from him.

Confusedalot

@deegee

Thanks for finding me on another thread, appreciated!

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What is sin?

by sinboi in

what do you consider sinful?

okay, i know many of you no longer believe that there is a god.

just bear with me a little, just assumed that there is a creator or god.

Confusedalot

deegee,

Some people choose to believe that God exists but that he is not interventionist. He just created the world then went AWOL (deism).

I had a discussion about the quoted belief recently, and I could not grasp the position, because it starts with a belief (the source of which I could not Identify, other than personal choice or human influence), and then a explanation. I don't want to leave JW and then fall into a situation where I follow people again, or use my imagination.

Thanks for the excerpt, much appreciated!

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How Many Here EVER Considered Going Back To Meetings?

by minimus in

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once i left ,i was done.

in over 10 years i didn't return except for my mother's funeral.

did you ever re enter the kh after you left?.

Confusedalot

I went back a year or two ago for my moms sake, and when I approached the kh door I was overcome by a literal and very real fear that I would catch fire spontaneously when I entered.......sad I know. The talk turned out to be empty and nauseating, and fortunately I didn't die by fire.