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  Old Literature 

  by RolRod in

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  what did you do with your jw literature when you left?

  kept it, sold it or dumped it?

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  RolRod

  What did you do with your JW literature when you left? Kept it, sold it or dumped it?
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  Rolf Furuli Disfellowshipped Last Week

  by Sea Breeze in

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  well known norway elder and watchtower doctrine apologist, (rolf furuli) was disfellowshipped a few days ago for the crime of expressing opinions contrary to some watchtower dictates.. like wt leadership in the past, they have no problem eating their own..

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  So they just made one of their staunch supporter into an enemy, sounds good
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  Are You Starting To Feel Bad About Being A Racist??

  by minimus in

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  you probably didn’t even realize you were a racist until you were enlightened by the “woke” group.

  so do you feel the need to make amends and do the right thing??

  ?.

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  Yeah, I get reminded all the time on social media how much of a racist I am. Boggles my mind how people can assume that without knowing me.

  I remind them that I'm a minority, that I was married to a black woman for 25 years, and half 2 Haitian/Puerto Rican kids. That I'm currently married to a Native / Irish woman. But it don't matter. They'll believe what they want to believe.

  RR
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  Leaked WT Elder Training Video

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  https://youtu.be/2nacvosx8n0.

  good to see the caring brothers help establish depth of guilt..

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  Poor Robbie, he got busted and now he's a baby daddy
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  Rolf Furuli New Book

  by dozy in

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  for those who haven't come across furuli before , he is a 77 year old norwegian professor and is ( or was ) one of the few "scholarly" jws used by the society and used as a source on various matters ( especially 607 bce ).. however recently he has fallen out with the gb and has published an interesting book - like many recent scholarly apologists , he seems to be going down the road of disagreeing with the authority of the gb but still holding that the jws is the one true religion.

  kind of "lions led by donkeys".

  whether this view will continue is anyones guess.

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  Yep, he was DF'd. But what do you expect, they always alienate those most staunch supporters.
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  How do you feel about identifying roughly where you are from ? Country, Region,State ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  hi friends ,.

  is it just me or do others on this forum like to know where posters are from ?

  what country state or region you are from ?

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  RolRod

  Greater Indianapolis area, formerly New York/ New Jersey
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  Trevor Pope and Jesse Hemery

  by BereanThinker7 in

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  does anybody know anything about trevor pope?

  he compiled some ideas from jesse hemery and wrote a book on end times called "a bible study investigation into our relationship to god and into the time of the end" .

  its interesting so far and its already hard enough to even find any writings about hemery or info on his goshen fellowship.

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  RolRod

  Jesse Hemery was of course in charge of the UK branch during Russell's presidency. He was vice president of the IBSA a position he held till 1946, and Branch manager from 1901 to 1951. While working on an article for the Watchtower he came to the conclusion that most of Revelation was still future and published his ideas in 1951 outside of the Society's presses. He was disfellowshipped by Knorr later that year and died a few years later in 1955.

  In 1951 he founded The Goshen Fellowship, and published the Journal Zion's Herald Journal of the Goshen Fellowship. The Goshen Fellowship would fall into the leadership of Frank Lewis Brown, whom I had a long distance relation with until his death some years ago.

  I have all of the books and most of the journals and newsletters.

  Trevor Pope was a student of Frank Lewis Brown. The Goshen Fellowship as far as I'm aware no longer exist. He's just a lone wolf, although he may have a small following.

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  Did they use to applaud after reinstatement after being Disfellowshipped, but then it stopped?

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  i don't remember disfellowshippings happening very often and announcements about being re instated but i think i remember that we used to clap hands if someone came back after being disfellowshipped.

  but then i think clapping wasn't allowed.

  am i correct in my recollections?.

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  Yep, it was still being done in the 1980s. They use to also announce a disfellowshipping in ALL congregations in the district, not just in the home congregation, as well as announce what the reason for.
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  How are you spending your lockdown time?

  by pale.emperor in

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  how is everybody spending their lockdown time?.

  i've been furloughed from work (forced "annual leave" with pay which doesn't affect my regular annual leave) for the past 2 months so i've had lots of time free to do whatever.. i've spent the time productively by doing all those things i've said i'd get round to doing "one day":.

  learning french.

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  I'm ESSENTIAL, a Letter Carrier, as a result I've been working 12 hour days
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  What did Russell and the Bible students say about racism?

  by Fadeaway1962 in

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  featured on jworg , what does the bible say about racism?

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  and a video , johny and gideon: once enemies, now brothers , two men from south africa.. what did russell and rutherford have to say about racism in the congregations ?.

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  RolRod

  Russell wasn't a racist, however he was a product of his time. It was a common belief that blacks came from the curse of Ham, son of Noah. There were plenty of blacks in the Society during Russell's leadership.

  Russell defended black people against racism. Russell said, [R2264] ”Without partiality (which would signify injustice): the purity and peace, gentleness, mercy and good fruits of the spirit of wisdom, lead us to be no respecters of persons, except as character shall demonstrate real value: the outward features, the natural man, the color of his skin, etc., are ignored by the spirit of the Lord, the spirit of wisdom that cometh from above. It is impartial and loves that which is pure, good, peaceable, gentle, true, wherever found and under whatever circumstances it exhibits itself.” and in R3042-3 “It is NOT true that divine favor has gone with the whites exclusively, and against the blacks and other colored races; civilizing the whites and barbarizing the others. If civilization and barbarity are to be the tests entirely, we have only to take in a wide scope of history to see the fallacy of the view presented. Eighteen centuries ago the white peoples of Europe, with their straight silky hair, were savages, idolaters, barbarians… Moreover, it was when Moses’ brother Aaron and his sister Miriam, especially the latter, upbraided him for his marriage to a negress, that the Lord defended him in the matter, and smote Miriam with the plague of leprosy as a punishment for her improper conduct and language respecting this subject. (See the account, Num. 12.) Zipporah was an Ethiopian, described in the Hebrew text as a Cushite. Ebed melech, also an Ethiopian, was one of King Zedekiah’s household, and be it noted that he was both thoughtful and zealous for the Lord’s prophet, Jeremiah, and was the commander of the thirty men who delivered him from prison (Jer. 38:7-12.) Hence the argument of those who claim that the negro is devoid of organizing intelligence or ability, except as he may have an admixture of white blood, is shown to be fallacious.”

  In [R934] “…Mr. Thomson says he had seen so much of this sort of thing that he began to believe that the negro was not capable of development. But when he reached the heart of Africa, his pessimism suffered a severe shock. These are his words: “I could hardly believe I was not dreaming when I looked around me and found large, well-built cities, many of them containing 10,000 to 30,000 inhabitants. The people themselves, picturesquely and voluminously dressed, moved about with that self-possessed, sober dignity which bespeaks the man who has a proper respect for himself. I saw on all sides the signs of an industrious community, differentiated into numerous crafts—evidence sufficient to show, how far advanced they were on the road to civilization. I heard the rattle, the tinkle, and the musical clang of the workers in iron, in brass, and in copper. I could see cloth being made in one place, and dyed, or sewn into gowns or other articles of dress in other places. I n the markets crowded with eager thousands, I could see how varied were the wants of these negro people, how manifold the productions of their industry, and how keen their business instincts.”