Posts by FFGhost

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Freaky, unsettling, unnerving comment from Losch in his AGM talk

by FFGhost in

did anybody else catch it?.

he said that people who come back in the earthly resurrection would be given a body "reasonably similar" to the one they had prior to death.. what the almighty hootch?.

"similar"?.

FFGhost

you are only a copy that believes its real.

There's a movie from around 15 years ago that explores that idea, albeit not exactly directly.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482571/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

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Where do we go from here, the Lloyd-gate?

by raymond frantz in

the problem is where do we go from here?

lloyd is not going to go away , he has too much to loose(money) neither will his followers go as we have seen the last few days there was hardly a drop to his membership .so what's next?

we will be branded in the same colours and because of him we won't be taken seriously anymore.

FFGhost

Evans admitted to almost everything. Now it's false?

That's got my head spinning. A 100 minute video confirming the allegations (but making excuses), and now it's not true after all?

You'd wonder how a thoroughly discredited person could possibly lose even more credibility - but there you go. Apparently there is no bottom.

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Freaky, unsettling, unnerving comment from Losch in his AGM talk

by FFGhost in

did anybody else catch it?.

he said that people who come back in the earthly resurrection would be given a body "reasonably similar" to the one they had prior to death.. what the almighty hootch?.

"similar"?.

FFGhost

maybe it takes account of the fact that some with disfigurements may come back without them.

That brings up the other point I wanted to make.

For some folks, their "disability" is not viewed by them as a "disability". It's just something "different", and actually that difference is one of the greatest forces driving their entire identity and personality.

I'm thinking particularly of the deaf, especially those born deaf. The deaf have their own language, their own culture, their own community. It is a driver of "who they are".

So - when a deaf person is resurrected - is he/she going to be resurrected with fully intact hearing? That would completely freak them out, sending them into a panic. Imagine "waking up" and experiencing a sense you had never known before, unlike anything you had ever experienced in life. Previously unknown sensations are almost always initially perceived as pain.

Maybe the hearing returns gradually? But then, isn't that going to fundamentally change "who the person is"? Do they want to change? Maybe they don't want to hear - they like who they are and see no reason for the change. Will they get a choice?

Maybe a deaf person does get a choice - but maybe he decides after X months or years he doesn't like hearing and wants to go back to being deaf - it's just too weird and disorienting, and he just can't adjust. Is he allowed to "switch back"?

Or maybe he is "forced" to adjust - something controls his mind so that he doesn't want to return to deafness. That's not an appealing thought either.

And that's just deafness - you could fill in pretty much any "disability" or even "disfigurement" and you'll find some, or many, who embrace it, who would never reject it even if possible.

All of this resurrection, "reasonably similar", "perfect bodies" mumbo jumbo assumes that everyone wants a "perfect human body" - but that just simply isn't true in many cases.

As usual, even this 3 minute meditation on the consequences of the JW "resurrection" doctrine points out gaping ethical and logistical holes in the story.

But of course, JWs are trained not to think for more than 5 or 10 seconds on any topic, so for most of them, it simply isn't an issue.

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Freaky, unsettling, unnerving comment from Losch in his AGM talk

by FFGhost in

did anybody else catch it?.

he said that people who come back in the earthly resurrection would be given a body "reasonably similar" to the one they had prior to death.. what the almighty hootch?.

"similar"?.

FFGhost

Did anybody else catch it?

He said that people who come back in the earthly resurrection would be given a body "reasonably similar" to the one they had prior to death.

What the almighty hootch?

"Reasonably"? "Similar"?

"Reasonably similar"?

It was such an odd thing to say - it was no mistake, though, since (1) he obviously read the entire thing directly from a teleprompter - he never looked down and barely even blinked and (2) he said it 2 times during the talk.

It just sounds so...so....unappealing? Gross? Icky? I can't quite find the right word.

I might expect a reasonably similar replacement for, I don't know, a discontinued item that was still under warranty, or a rental car if the location I pick up from is sold out of the model I reserved.....

But if I'm going to be pulled out of the grave, I'd like to have my exact body, shined up a bit, but still quite obviously exactly me, thank you very much.

There's a bunch of other issues I have with this phrase used during the talk, but I'll let other folks chime in before I go off on another tangent.

Did that statement have a reasonably similar reaction for anyone else out there?

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AM III off topic remarks online @ jw.org

by Gorb in

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friends

am iiii off topic remarks at the anual meeting, are online at broadcasting.. he says in the early 70s he did not believe the end was near, and told his sons not to believe jw's who stating the end is near because the system could go on to 2020.. g..

FFGhost

Telling your kids it can last 50 years is not an urgent attitude.

Excellent point.

How quickly you'd get shuttled into the "back room" at the Kingdom Hall (or the "breakout room" on Zoom) if you said, during a talk, "this 'system of things' might last well into the 2060s or 2070s".

I think AMIII is blowing smoke up his ample patootie.

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Lloyd has taken his video down: has anyone got a copy of it?

by raymond frantz in

lloyd has taken his video down: has anyone got a copy of it?.

FFGhost

I'm no attorney, but I suspect a video message proclaiming "It's OK! The prostitutes I used all assured me that they were of legal age!" isn't quite the strong defense he thinks it is.

Perhaps a real attorney convinced him of the same.

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Loyd has made a statement on Facebook

by pistolpete in

here is a copy of loyd's facebook latest comment.

https://m.facebook.com/lloydevanscedars/posts/346085697519910.

FFGhost

all were in their 20s or older

I can see paradise.....and the date of birth on the notarized copy of your birth certificate....by the dashboard light.....

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

FFGhost

If Watchtower or JW lurkers are reading, we are not all sexually deviant as Lloyd has insinuated.

100% true.

And 100% meaningless - if WT monitors this site and/or reddit (which they almost certainly do, or pay someone to do), they will 110% use this incident to paint all "apostates" as child-raping deviants to their adherents.

This incident will have done more to drive fence-sitters back to "mother" than any of his videos have done to influence anyone to leave.

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Biblical Anachronisms in JW Literature

by neat blue dog in

in a recent post ffghost made a comment about how they're always inserting modern concepts into biblical narratives to make it relatable to jw's organization.

here are some that come to mind:.

- the capitalized term "governing body" when referring to the older men in jerusalem (really just another group of christians that paul outspokenly disagreed with and didn't look to for approval).

FFGhost

The WT publications used to teach that Adam, of all people, wrote a portion of Genesis and that Noah's family preserved copies of that portion of Genesis in the ark through the flood.

I've never heard that before - would love to see a quote. I'd guess it was something from the 20's or 30's.

David Splane claimed that the whole of archaeology, historiology and geology are all WRONG because their demonstrated age for the Great Sphinx contradicts the Governing Body's unsupported and egregiously dogmatic interpretation of Genesis.

The infuriating part of this is that he is one of the probably, at best, 2 or 3 guys on the GB with sufficient intelligence to actually understand how stupid his claim that it's "all wrong" is. So in the classic "evil or deluded" question regarding GB members, I think that puts him squarely on the "evil" side of the ledger.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

FFGhost

How much do you want to bet a WT article or broadcast is going to bring out some of these details, without naming his name, after which they will bash apostates with a wide brush stroke?

JW Broadcasting, May 2022:

"One prominent apostate who made videos attacking Jehovah's organization solicited donations from his viewers, and then used those funds to travel to an Asian country to hire underage prostitutes! Clearly we see how far into moral decadence apostates fall. Truly the scripture at 2 Peter 2:22 has proved true yet again, 'The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.' Brothers and sisters, don't let the same thing happen to you! Stick close to Jehovah's organization, and avoid apostate material like the plague that it is."