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  Is the blood doctrine idolatrous?

  by Fred Franztone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm not a god-fearing individual, but when i was still a believer, many suns ago, it occurred to me that the blood doctrine had an idolatrous foundation; it was one of the initial anti-wt thoughts in my mind that eventually led to me leaving the religion and ultimately (and somewhat ironically) to atheism.. the bible says that one should 'abstain from blood', and putting aside whether this is a mistranslation of bloodshed (which i've never bought), the wt are quite picky about which commandments they follow; they don't observe the sabbath, and they've even provided justifications for lying, so why the preoccupation with the blood commandment?

  and why is it so serious a matter that it's a disfellowship-worthy offence?

  the justification i was always given by elders was that blood is sacred, it's a symbol of life, and whilst the commandment to abstain from blood clearly meant that one shouldn't eat it, it's not unreasonable on the surface to extrapolate it to include transfusions (although some would disagree).. the problem with this reasoning of course is that by abstaining from blood transfusions, death from massive blood-loss is a possibility, unlike with abstaining from eating it.

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  Thank you for your thought. Your point of putting the symbol of life ahead of life itself reminded of the apostle Paul saying the law exists for the sake of men and not men for the sake of the law. The important one in both examples is man and life and not the laws to keep men orderly or the blood that keeps men alive. What good iis a law if there’s no one to benefit from it or blood if there is no body for it to live in?
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  Update after attending one day of a regional. au.

  by jonahstourguide in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi all.. personal experience.

  attended a regional convention in melbourne australia.. saturday attendance,, 1,500 approx.. baptism,, 11. about 8 born ins ,,, all 8 under 20yo and 5 under 17.. 3 of the 11 appeared to be over 20 and are not born ins.. sounds about .8% increase ,,, kind of.. the outstanding part of the day was the continual reference to ' are you, can you do more'.

  ha ha fear obligation guilt.. jtg.

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  @jonahstourguide are you from the area or traveling in? I have no idea which congs were on last weekend.
  
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  Update after attending one day of a regional. au.

  by jonahstourguide in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi all.. personal experience.

  attended a regional convention in melbourne australia.. saturday attendance,, 1,500 approx.. baptism,, 11. about 8 born ins ,,, all 8 under 20yo and 5 under 17.. 3 of the 11 appeared to be over 20 and are not born ins.. sounds about .8% increase ,,, kind of.. the outstanding part of the day was the continual reference to ' are you, can you do more'.

  ha ha fear obligation guilt.. jtg.

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  I was coerced into baptism at 14 by my elder father who said if Armageddon comes tomorrow and you’re not baptised you will die. What a loving parent that was. I guess he’d had enough of explaining to the CO an DO why his teenage kid wasn’t baptised already.
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  How many JDubs would believe this ridiculous statement?

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a circuit overseer or a member of the gibbering body is giving a talk about demonism and he says the following, "there was an elder in a congregation in california who let his 8-year-old daughter watch disney movies that involved witches, gremlins, magic, and sorcery.

  many may feel that they are harmless movies and are just entertainment.

  well, the 8-year-old daughter actually brought a blue smurf doll to the public talk and watchtower study.

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  I remember hearing that story in Australia when I was a kid about 30 years ago. Something about a cabbage patch kid doll too. I’m sure my mum definitely believed it.
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  Resolution of the 2018 JW Protest, London

  by jwleaks in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the full resolution and press release can be viewed and download via the following link:.

  https://saysorry.org/2018/08/18/jw-protest-london/.

  august 18, 2018. on the weekend of the 11th and 12th of august over 100 people from 13 countries, including seven australians, gathered on the grounds of excel london and held a peaceful and colourful protest to coincide with the jehovah’s witnesses ‘be courageous’!

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  To hide child sexual abuse For the purpose of protecting Jehovah’s name in some misunderstood way accounts to child sacrifice plain and simple. And Jehovah hates child sacrifice. Jeremiah 19. Why would Jehovah need mere imperfect humans to protect His name? We’re only required to love God and neighbour and preach the good news. In Australia recently a Bishop was sentenced to prison for hiding child abuse. First time this has been done. I can’t wait till the law catches up with the org too.
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  Funny ex-jw memes

  by Apostate Anonymous in

  1. social
  2. humour

  backstory:.

  so my born-in cousin who recently left the org is looking to start an ex-jw / group instagram based in socal.

  he asked me if i had any ideas for a photo that can used for the instagram page and this is what i made for him:.

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  OMG Tallon, that made me cry from laughing so hard.
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  Update after attending one day of a regional. au.

  by jonahstourguide in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi all.. personal experience.

  attended a regional convention in melbourne australia.. saturday attendance,, 1,500 approx.. baptism,, 11. about 8 born ins ,,, all 8 under 20yo and 5 under 17.. 3 of the 11 appeared to be over 20 and are not born ins.. sounds about .8% increase ,,, kind of.. the outstanding part of the day was the continual reference to ' are you, can you do more'.

  ha ha fear obligation guilt.. jtg.

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  That’s what it was Diogenesister
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  Broadcasting august, clown Lett about painting the K-hall

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  did you see the performance of stephen lett on august broadcasting?.

  the illustration of painting the kingdom hall?.

  used for explaining that you have to listen to elders even when they are totaly wrong?.

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  I think they rip some pages out of their bibles and miss these.

  1 John 4:1 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement, but test the inspired statements to see whether they originate with God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

  2 Thess 2: 1 However, brothers, concerning the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be alarmed either by an inspired statement or by a spoken message or by a letter appearing to be from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. 3 Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. 4 He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god.
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  Update after attending one day of a regional. au.

  by jonahstourguide in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi all.. personal experience.

  attended a regional convention in melbourne australia.. saturday attendance,, 1,500 approx.. baptism,, 11. about 8 born ins ,,, all 8 under 20yo and 5 under 17.. 3 of the 11 appeared to be over 20 and are not born ins.. sounds about .8% increase ,,, kind of.. the outstanding part of the day was the continual reference to ' are you, can you do more'.

  ha ha fear obligation guilt.. jtg.

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  There was something in a watchtower not too long ago if I remember correctly that compared getting a drivers license to getting baptised. I forget the correlation because it made no sense to me at the time so I dismissed it as soon as it entered my ears.
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  Update after attending one day of a regional. au.

  by jonahstourguide in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi all.. personal experience.

  attended a regional convention in melbourne australia.. saturday attendance,, 1,500 approx.. baptism,, 11. about 8 born ins ,,, all 8 under 20yo and 5 under 17.. 3 of the 11 appeared to be over 20 and are not born ins.. sounds about .8% increase ,,, kind of.. the outstanding part of the day was the continual reference to ' are you, can you do more'.

  ha ha fear obligation guilt.. jtg.

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  You should’ve pop over to my place. I live 5 minutes away, could’ve had some real good truthful discussions over coffee