Posts by oldskool

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Witness Carts - A Vehicle for Significant Decline

by slimboyfat in

i was stalking to a jw today about her recent experience on the carts and with being a jw generally.

until this conversation i considered the carts as just an ineffective preaching method and a harmless waste of time.

but now i wonder if the effect of the carts might be to produce noticeable decline in jw numbers.

oldskool

f you can keep calm and and keep a sense of humour about it you can have some fun. I had a positive experience in Edinburgh a while ago I shared on another thread where I am sure I really made a JW guy think seriously about things. Even after he worked out I was DFd he shook hands and we left as friends. Those are the best ones.

Yea, the neutral territory of public space means the pronouncement to "get off my property" or conversely "We'll be going now" do not apply. JWs literally have to run away and leave the cart, or sit there and take the abuse because they asked for it.

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What strange things are taught at MTS?

by Londo111 in

a few years before i woke up, a young man in my congregation went to ministerial training school.

he began to speak about some of the things he had learned.

one of the things mentioned was that of incubus or succubus, that is to say, sex demons.

oldskool

The sex demon urban legend rings a bell.

I know a few that attended probably circa 2002/03. They never spoke of much, two things I remember:

One specifically said the experience show him how much he truly loved the Governing Body, I believe one of them taught for a portion of it.
The "miracle" of 1935, i.e. the appearance of the Jonadab class also labeled the other sheep, great crowd and those with an earthly hope. Again the GB member present impressed on them how miraculous the beginnings of the WTS org were. Of course, there was no miracle and was instead was the outcome of Rutherford's failed predictions.

Personally, the experience both had gave me strong pause in the JW org. I imagined both students would get some sort of interesting/exciting assignment at the front lines of JWdom. Instead both were assigned to the same congregation about an hour from their old one, with only slightly less or similar attendance numbers.

The assignment didn't line up with the image that there was exciting work going on all throughout the org. A decade and a half later I know the one guy is still pioneering at that hall, part time job, ect. What for??????

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Witness Carts - A Vehicle for Significant Decline

by slimboyfat in

i was stalking to a jw today about her recent experience on the carts and with being a jw generally.

until this conversation i considered the carts as just an ineffective preaching method and a harmless waste of time.

but now i wonder if the effect of the carts might be to produce noticeable decline in jw numbers.

oldskool

Also star witnessing is genius. Thanks for that doc

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Witness Carts - A Vehicle for Significant Decline

by slimboyfat in

i was stalking to a jw today about her recent experience on the carts and with being a jw generally.

until this conversation i considered the carts as just an ineffective preaching method and a harmless waste of time.

but now i wonder if the effect of the carts might be to produce noticeable decline in jw numbers.

oldskool

Even bigger point. With post 75 through the current era the "preaching work" (if you can call it work) has become more and more defined by a lack of contact with the public.

Through early 00s lack of contact became the norm within the org. We're talking 3 decades of people that made it a comfortable, not too confrontational, weekly routine.

Short of a major internal cultural shift, I see no avenue for the JWs to increase the quality of outreach they do.

So again, i think its a response to their go nowhere state of affairs.

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Witness Carts - A Vehicle for Significant Decline

by slimboyfat in

i was stalking to a jw today about her recent experience on the carts and with being a jw generally.

until this conversation i considered the carts as just an ineffective preaching method and a harmless waste of time.

but now i wonder if the effect of the carts might be to produce noticeable decline in jw numbers.

oldskool

I would tend to believe the WTS thought cart witnesses would actually be effective, and that when it comes to their own bs they can be that naive.

My experience in the US was similar to what most on this board say. That pre internet there was little contact with householders. The JWs response? Put carts in public places where there are people.

Ok in cities possibly, lousy in suburbs and rural.

JWs have conditioned the public to not want to talk to them. Easy to forget, but JWs have been around for the entire past century in the USA, much of it with door to door work. They defined the crazy person who wants to talk religion. Most avoid it, because they defined it well as something to be avoided.

JWs will meet defeat wherever they go. The message is outdated and has no relevancy. I think the cart stuff is an inclination how little they actually understand people.

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Challenge to Creationists

by cofty in

in response to the 37 threads in my evolution is a fact series - see bottom of op for links - perry posted a link to an article "44 reasons why evolution isn't true".. i offered him a challenge on the thread and by pm.

predictably he is totally ignoring it, so i am offering the challenge to any evolution-denier who thinks they have evidence to support their position.. please present one specific piece of evidence for creationism.. my task will be to refute it with evidence within 24 hours.. then i will present one piece of evidence for evolution and your challenge will be the same.. all posts must be as succinct as reasonably possible.

entirely in your own words, without copy-paste, videos or links.. please post your interest to take part and we will set it up before the first actual post in the exchange.

oldskool

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Feeling Sad After Uncovering TTATT

by pale.emperor in

my initial pangs of unease and doubt led me to research some things.

well, a lot of things really.

i've never felt comfortable using the bible to try to calculate dates (1914).

oldskool

Make a list of things you've always wanted to do for yourself, and do them.

What I wrote on this thread might be some help. I was in your exact same situation when I left.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5125313847623680/keeping-your-sanity-while-stuck-active-jw

Based on what you've written its seems clear you are in the early phases of understanding what happened to you. It takes a while to go through it all. If you haven't caught up on Steven Hassan's material, now might be the time to do so.

Base your approach to your wife not around doctrine, but around empathy. It's easy to trigger JWs in to fear, and then they act more irrational than usual. Empathize with her, be a good husband. It will work out but take your time. You're not in a battle, your in a process. It's easy to get worked up about the moment. I had good success thinking beyond the day to day.

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Could we use the new shunning guidelines to our advantage?

by Island Man in

according to new, officially published guidelines, jws can now shun a person who has not been disfellowshipped from the congregation.

i see this guideline being abused by many jws who have an axe to grind with a fellow jw.

for example, let's say sister peinindiass rubs sister sensitive the wrong way.

oldskool

Nothing new. I feel the latest info demonstrates the JW org appears interested in decreasing the chances for faders.

With so much talk about fading on the net, its no big surprise.

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Has any of the GB members ever had a job?

by Crazyguy in

just wonder since that video about a child giving up his dreams of being a great musician do to competition .

i had to give up all my dreams and now work in a very competitive industry just to get by.

how many people not work in a competitive job?

oldskool

Samuel Herd began pioneering around the age of 23. By 1965, seven years later, he was in the CO/DO work. Room for odds jobs as a young guy, but no serious career.
Stephen Lett was 17 when he started to pioneer and 18 when he went to Bethel. Doubt there was much real world work.
David Spaine was 19 when he started to pioneer in 63'. Around 65/66' he attended gilead's 42nd class. Early 20's, not much career again.
Gerrit Losch Began pioneering at 20. His bio says he worked at a restaurant. In 63 started with CO/DO work.
Anthony Morris III had a more conventional life and probably had a career but his bio doesn't say what. He served in Vietnam. Got married in 1971 and raised children.
Mark Sanderson began to pioneer in 1983 and went to MTS in 1990. I cannot locate a date of birth for him, one reference says 1965. That means he was 18 as a pioneer. With the MTS, he probably was doing odd jobs. His bio doesn't say he is married or has kids
Geoffrey Jackson started pioneering at age 15 in Tasmania. He spent most of his time as a missionary.

The common theme is that with the exception of Morris, most of these men got involved full time with the JWs full time from their teens to early 20s and never looked back. By their mid 20s most had scored an "assignment", probably organizationally supposed during the boom years of the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

I find it interesting. I knew a guy whose situation was similar to Sanderson. Remained single, attended MTS in the late 90s early 2k. I think he continues to work lousy part time gigs with the hope he will get a better assignment, but he never has. He was assigned to a congregation about an hour from the one where he grew up and has remained there the past 10+ years.

I know for a while he was trying to go to Gilead with his wife, who he married about 5 years post MTS. He really wanted to work at a branch, which he described to me as "resort like". Freudian slip!

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Article: Witnesses Portfolio ‘Better Maintained Than The White House.’

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

https://www.bisnow.com/new-york/news/commercial-real-estate/what-makes-the-jehovahs-witnesses-portfolio-special-and-what-the-latest-property-to-hit-the-market-could-become-60632 .

“i’ve never seen any properties kept in better shape,” tim says.

“anyone who buys them will be happy that they did and they won’t need to spend a dime on upgrades to infrastructure.” tim, who tells us he attended a breakfast at the white house about a decade ago, goes as far as to say the buildings are better maintained than the presidential residence..

oldskool

Barbara, you might be able to confirm/refute a rumor I heard years ago. Basically, that the WTS expected all of their real estate to transition into the new system after Armageddon. I always assumed this might be JW leader's mental excuse for why they focused on real estate investment so much. It was as if the rebuilding work had already begun, in their minds anyway.

The destruction of Kingdom Halls during the great tribulation and Armageddon has never been mentioned inside WT literature, has it?