Posts by Konagirl

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Faithful Slave Appointment: What are the assumptions of Watchtower Matthew 24:45-47 Eschatology?

by Vanderhoven7 in

text: matthew 24:45-47.

45 “who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?

46 it will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.

Konagirl

Thanks Vanderhoven, but I don't think I can agree that it is a parody. I doubt Jesus meant it to be humorous, since he wept over his own people’s blindness. A warning parable, yes. Psalm 78:2; Mark 4:34

It’s interesting that the meaning of both Ben Hinnom, Hebrew for Gehenna, and Gehenna in Greek refer to “son of wailing, of muffled groaning”/”valley of muffled groaning”. The final judgment of condemnation against the wicked takes place in and affects the heart, I believe, since “for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart” and directs our actions toward others. I personally believe it is there, where the weeping and gnashing of teeth happens, when one’s heart is on fire, facing retribution for one’s wickedness practiced against others. Luke 6:45; Jer 17:9-10

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Faithful Slave Appointment: What are the assumptions of Watchtower Matthew 24:45-47 Eschatology?

by Vanderhoven7 in

text: matthew 24:45-47.

45 “who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?

46 it will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.

Konagirl

Something to think about -

“Is not My word like fire?” declares the Lord, “and like a hammer which shatters a rock?” Jer 23:29

“They have lied about the LORD and said:

“He will not do anything; harm will not come to us;

we will not see sword or famine.

The prophets are but wind,

for the word is not in them.

So let their own predictions befall them.”

Therefore this is what the LORD God of Hosts says:

“Because you have spoken this word,

I will make My words a fire in your mouth

and this people the wood it consumes.

God’s word is the “fire” that judges. (John 12:48) But also, when we think of “hell”, Gehenna, and being thrown into it, did God create the “fiery” hell spoken of in the Bible?

“Now if we put the bits into the horses’ mouths so that they will obey us, we direct their entire body as well. 4 Look at the ships also, though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, are still directed by a very small rudder wherever the inclination of the pilot desires. 5 So also the tongue is a small part of the body, and yet it boasts of great things. See how great a forest is set aflame by such a small fire! 6 And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by [d]hell.

“hell” – Gehenna. God didn’t create hell. It is the creation of wickedness, of Satan. Whatever “word” we hold on our tongue will either judge us as righteous according to God’s word, or condemned, according to the adversary’s words. (Isa 59:3; 30:27) “Torment” suffered by those who are thrown in the symbolic “lake of fire”, (because “fire” symbolizes either righteous or wicked words) is not literal in the account in Luke 16:19-31. The rich man said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ The man was in agony over the condemnation against him by the word of God in Jesus Christ. If he was consumed in a literal lake of fire, he would not be asking for only his tongue to be quenched. God’s judgment, which is like “fire”, IS unquenchable. That man's final judgment can never be put out, reversed. (Mark 9:43)

I don’t see in the scriptures where it says “eternal torment” by literal fire. I see that the symbolic “smoke” of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they will have no rest - no entering into the eternal Sabbath rest of God. (Rev 14:10-11; Heb 3:10-11) The legacy of the wicked, the symbolic smoke resulting in fiery judgment left behind, will never be forgotten.

The judgment of God’s word has always been retribution for one’s wicked acts. If they used the “fire” of Satan’s word against another, then they also will suffer under the same flame kindled by the Destroyer.

Rev 18:6 - Pay her back even as she has paid, and give back to her double according to her deeds; in the cup which she has mixed, mix twice as much for her.

Jesus is the Author of life, Satan offers death and destruction…as the Destroyer. Acts 3:15; John 10:9; Rev 9:11; Prov 27:20; Job 26:6; Gen 3:4

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Faithful Slave Appointment: What are the assumptions of Watchtower Matthew 24:45-47 Eschatology?

by Vanderhoven7 in

text: matthew 24:45-47.

45 “who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?

46 it will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.

Konagirl

“Who else could the Faithful Slave be? If you don't believe this and obey the Slave, you will be destroyed at Armageddon.”

John 10: 37-38 - If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”

To the unbelieving Jews who sought to kill Jesus, he said,

John 8:38 - I speak the things which I have seen with My Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father.”

The works of Jesus Christ are the works of the Father. All false teachings are the works of the father of the lie.

Gal 1:10 - For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a slave of Christ.

There can be two opposing “faithful slaves” – one that faithfully speaks only the word of God in Christ - not his own doctrine - and is a servant/slave of Christ; and one that “faithfully” bases his words on his own delusions, lusts and desire for dominance and obedience of those whom he rules over, fulfilling the works of the father he has chosen to serve.

1 Tim 4:1-2 - But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron.

The organization is built on policies and doctrines, as all organization in the world are. But with this one, there is just enough mention of the words of Christ to keep its followers ‘captivated’ and obedient to its wicked slave. Matt 24:48-51

Col 2:8 - See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

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Can you openly express doubts in the congregation these days?

by Elena in

i know of a lovely old sister who has been a jw for several decades now who openly expresses doubts about jw interpretations.. she does it in such a lovely way and everyone loves her.

she is such a sweet old soul, makes everyone happy around her.. she has said things like- even if we have got it wrong about this and that i still believe the bible is gods word”.

she answers up regularly and she goes on ministry groups but like most of us she is definitely jwlite, we don’t really do door to door work anymore.

Konagirl

"At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not."

That's the problem. The whole composite of leaders, whether the GB or the elder body, are masters over JWs, and not Jesus Christ. It can't be both. 1 Sam 8:4-20; Matt 6:24

"For am I now trying to persuade people, or God? Or am I striving to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ." Gal. 1:10

For PIMOs, there will never be freedom as long as they still submit to the guidelines of "organization". John 8:32

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Can you openly express doubts in the congregation these days?

by Elena in

i know of a lovely old sister who has been a jw for several decades now who openly expresses doubts about jw interpretations.. she does it in such a lovely way and everyone loves her.

she is such a sweet old soul, makes everyone happy around her.. she has said things like- even if we have got it wrong about this and that i still believe the bible is gods word”.

she answers up regularly and she goes on ministry groups but like most of us she is definitely jwlite, we don’t really do door to door work anymore.

Konagirl

This is an organization of people that says it follows God’s word; yet, it rejects the words of Christ and his example of speaking out for truth. If a JW tries to buffer or remain close-lipped to what they know is wrong, no matter how old or young they are, where is their integrity? Where is their belief in Jesus Christ? And where is their love for neighbor? Or, is it all about saving their own skin? John 16:2; Heb 13:11-14; Mark 8:35

Prov 11:3 – “The integrity of the upright guides them, but the unfaithful are destroyed by their duplicity.”

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I’m not sure what this means!

by NeedsProof in

yesterday i was visited by 2 witnesses, and we had a long chat about lots of things!

one of them named claire took the lead and i instantly felt some sort of connection to her, after we had spoken and they had left i started to have this overwhelming feeling to research her and what she had spoken about but i couldn’t find her anywhere on any website or social media, so i left it and thought nothing more of it all day….

however the strange thing is i had a dream that night and claire was in it, many things happened in this dream that i was told i was only allowed to speak about with claire, i can speak of the dream to others but the details only me and claire can know!

Konagirl

If your dream was from God or from Jesus, there would be no reason for either one of them to tell you that you can’t share any of the details, but only to Claire. If your dream was based on truth, why does it have to be a secret?

Jesus said, “What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs.” Matt 10:27

The Watchtower organization hides its previous lies, to make room for more lies, that also become hidden. Their true agenda is hidden. Don’t be deceived! Satan’s deception appears as truth. Jesus’ truth exposes deception.

Your dream is leaning on, and twisting, the meaning of Rev 12:1-5. The Wt. organization believes that the “heavenly” organization (where a literal 144,000 male clones sit on literal thrones peering down on the those who live on the earth in their kingdom), which they call “mother”, gave birth to Jesus Christ, and he is taken up to this heavenly organization. How could that be when Jesus, as the “master worker” with God, created all things? (Prov 8:22-31; Acts 3:14-15) Their interpretation of it, supports their false date of God’s Kingdom beginning in 1914. Here’s a few quotes about it:

“The woman John here sees is also married to someone, and she is about to give birth. Who is her husband? Well, later her child is “caught away to God and to his throne.” (Revelation 12:5) Jehovah thus claims the child as his own. Therefore, the woman that John sees must be Jehovah’s symbolic wife.” Revelation book chapter 27

This woman represents God’s heavenly organization of faithful angels, and the “male child” to whom she gives birth represents God’s Kingdom, with Jesus Christ ruling as King.—Revelation 12:1-5, The Jerusalem Bible. w99 4/15 p. 10-11

As the “child” is not an individual person, so its mother, the “woman” in heaven, is not an individual person. Since this symbolic “woman” was made pregnant by God as her husband, she must picture God’s spiritual organization. w81 5/1 p. 21-22

The birth of Jehovah’s Kingdom by Christ, as pictured by the newborn child of God’s woman, was first explained in The Watch Tower of March 1, 1925. The birth of this Messianic Kingdom in heaven in 1914 differs from the birth of the “nation” of Zion’s ‘children’ on earth in 1919.—Isaiah 66:7,8. w89 9/1 p. 18-19

Can you make sense of it all? The “woman” of Revelation 12, represents a covenant, a promise of life, not an organization where the angels decided with God, that Jesus should be born. Gal 4:23-24,26 And why would the baby be wearing a crown of thorns? This is a sign of persecution that came upon Jesus by those who killed him. (John 19:1-3) This organization defies Jesus Christ. They shove his role as Savior aside and exalt their leaders and the organization that Claire must answer to. (Dan 8:25; Matt 24:24-25; Rev 13:1,2,4) Getting involved with the organization is getting trapped in the web of a poisonous spider.

Please, be careful.

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About the Mark of the Beast

by Kosonen in

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i can agree on most of what this man preaches about the mark of the beast.. https://madmaxworld.tv/watch?id=64fd01a1112661824fb397c7.

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Konagirl

w17 April p. 5-6 - “Have you dedicated your life to Jehovah and symbolized your dedication by water baptism? If so, that is wonderful! Recall that on your baptism day, before eyewitnesses, you were asked whether you had dedicated yourself to Jehovah and understood that “your dedication and baptism IDENTIFY you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s SPIRIT-DIRECTED ORGANIZATION.”

Revelation 13:15 - The second beast (false prophet) was permitted to give breath (example: John 20:22) to the image of the first beast, (Rev 13:1,2) so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship it to be killed.”

w 96/3/15 - Loyalty to JEHOVAH’S VISIBLE ORGANIZATION also means having nothing to do with apostates.”

Loyalty and dedication - "worship" - given to the Wt., is necessary in all facets of the life of a JW. They serve its needs, they obey its commands. The organization has been raised on a pedestal, and it can't be questioned without consequences. It is taught that it only, will survive their "Armageddon". Rev 13:4

rs pp 34-37 - “Others claim to believe the Bible but reject JEHOVAH’S ORGANIZATION.”

John 16:2 - You will be expelled from the synagogues, and the time will come when those who kill you will think that by doing this they are serving God. 3 People will do these things to you because they have not known either the Father or me.

Do JWs identify themselves with God the Father, and Jesus Christ, or with “Jehovah’s organization”, a “beast” that disfellowships/kills any who reject IT?

Daniel was given visions that concerned his own people, those belonging to God. That includes his vision of the fourth beasts of Revelation 13:1,2,11,12, where the anointed priesthood of God are found. 1 Pet 2:5,9; Col 2:8; Dan 8:24;12:7; Rev 13:7,10

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4 Verses Jehovah's Witnesses fulfill today, can you think of more?

by raymond frantz in

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Konagirl

Raymond Frantz - Men will expel you from the synagogue. In fact, the hour is coming when everyone who kills you will think he has offered a sacred service to God.” John 16:2

Luke 12:51-53 - Do you think that I came here to bring peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. 52 From now on, five in one household will be divided: three against two, and two against three.

53 They will be divided, father against son,
son against father,
mother against daughter,
daughter against mother,
mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law,
and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.

John 16:2-3 - You will be expelled from the synagogues, and the time will come when those who kill you will think that by doing this they are serving God. 3 People will do these things to you because they have not known either the Father or me.

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

Duran - LOL. The deceiving being done here is by you in citing Scriptures falsely.

It translated Rev 13:14 correctly:

WEB - He deceives my own people who dwell on the earth because of the signs he was granted to do in front of the beast, saying to those who dwell on the earth that they should make an image to the beast who had the sword wound and lived.

But I’ll give you the NKJV, will you accept that?

“And he deceives [a]those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.”

The footnote for “those” says, “my own people”.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+13%3A14&version=NKJV

Why are these translations saying this? Because in Rev 13:7,10 it says the Beast “makes war with the saints”, and in verse 10, it says that they are taken captive by the “sword”. And we know “sword” symbolizes the word of God. (Heb 4:12) As I previously said, the anointed were taken captive by a bit of truth, securing them in Satan’s trap. (Matt 24:24-25; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1) The very end of this verse says, “here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” It is a testing period that Satan demands to put each anointed person through in the last days. (Luke 22:31) So, the Beast from the sea which is under the authority of the Beast from the “earth”, which represents a composite false prophet, (speaks like a dragon)…is religious, and is NOT the United Nations.

The “kings of the earth”, Christ’s kings (Rev 1:5,6) help us to see also, that the Beast which makes war with these “kings”/saints, is a religious “beast” – an idol, that requires a symbolic mark on the hand and the forehead. (2 Cor 6:16) Just like the Wt does, which requires a dedication to the organization. This is mentioned in the questions asked right before baptism. This means that those who “worship” the beast (Rev 13:4) follow its decrees instead of God’s. (Deut 6:6-9) But, since a false prophet is in control for now, this means it is preaching a “different Jesus”. (two horns like a lamb) (Rev 13:11,12; 2 Cor 11:3,4)

Don’t you see that this is why God’s people are being called out of “Babylon?” (Rev 18:4) where a Harlot/false prophet “from the earth”, has broken their covenant with God and Jesus, and are teaching lies? (Isa 24:5; Jer 22:9; Isa 28:14,15,18,19) And they are expecting allegiance, dedication to the Beast/organization that they “exercise authority” over? This false prophet “breathed spirit” into the Beast. (Rev 13:15) This fits the “spirit directed organization”/Watchtower perfectly, where God’s anointed are held captive to “empty philosophy”, and threatened with loss of family and friends, even their standing with "Jehovah", if they dare go against the Beast/elder body/man of lawlessness. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Col 2:8; Luke 21:16-17)

Rev 16:13-14 – “I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, something like frogs; 14 for they are spirits of demons, performing signs; which go out to the kings of the whole inhabited earth, to gather them together for the war of that great day of God, the Almighty.

God’s holy people ARE the “inhabited earth”.

“For we are God's fellow workers. You are God's field, God's building.” 1 Cor 3:9

“Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” 1 Cor 3:16 NKJV

God’s Temple/building/dwelling in Spirit is found in the hearts of His anointed ones. (Luke 8:5-8,15; Matt 13:38; Mark 4:20; James 1:21; 2 Cor 1:21-22; John 14:23)

“building” – “having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” Eph 2:20-22, NKJV

Eph 2:22 WEB – “in whom you also are built together for a habitation of God in the Spirit.”

Unless they have left the organization, the anointed are in the Wt. “beast”, just as I have already said.

As for your other questions, I believe I had already mentioned that "144,000" were blameless, and never worshipped the Beast. While, the remnant, the "great crowd" who come out of the great tribulation, are victorious over the Beast. (Rev 14:1,5; 20:4; 15:2,3; 7:9-15) This remnant that "washed their robes and made them white n the blood of the lamb" - which signifies their need to be cleansed - join the symbolic "144,000" bringing in its full number needed for the completion of the Temple/New Jerusalem/Bride of Christ. Rev 21:1-3

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

Since Revelation is a book of “signs”, (Rev 1:1) numbers have greater meaning than what they appear on the surface in this book. We can’t apply them literally. If that was the case, then people would be walking around with the number “666” literally written on their forehead. (Rev 13:4,16-18) We cannot take the half hour of silence in heaven, (Rev 8:1) during the time when God’s saints are trampled, and truth was “thrown down to the ground”, as literal. (Dan 8:9-12; 2 Thess 2:3-4; Rev 11:1-2; 13:6-7) God’s heavenly timetable is not our literal timetable.

For ”one hour” the Beast from the sea is in power after it throws out the Harlot/false prophet who “exercises all authority” over it previously. (Rev 13:11-12; 17:15-18,12)

(these symbolic “10 kings who have not received a kingdom”, are the unsealed anointed who remain in the Beast, giving their authority over to it, instead of turning to Christ)

One literal hour would not be enough time to restructure an organization, to get it up and running again, before it is thrown into the “lake of fire” along with the false prophet. (Rev 19:20; Jer 23:29)

False prophet – “I saw another beast coming up out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon. 12 He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. He makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.”

He deceives my own people who dwell on the earth because of the signs he was granted to do in front of the beast, saying to those who dwell on the earth that they should make an image to the beast who had the sword wound and lived.” Revelation 13:11,12,14

Same False prophet/harlot – “I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, that you have no participation in her sins, and that you don’t receive of her plagues, 5 for her sins have reached to the sky, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 Return to her just as she returned, and repay her double as she did, and according to her works. In the cup which she mixed, mix to her double. 7 However much she glorified herself, and grew wanton, so much give her of torment and mourning. For she says in her heart, ‘I sit a queen, and am no widow, and will in no way see mourning.’ 8 Therefore in one day her plagues will come: death, mourning, and famine; and she will be utterly burned with fire; for the Lord God who has judged her is strong.”

The ”kings of the earth” are Christ kings (Rev 1:5-6) that either listen to the call to get out, (Rev 16:13-16) and turn away from their sins, or remain in the Beast.