Posts by Konagirl

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Are badness, disobedience, and rebellion part of the "perfect" human nature?

by psyco in

when humankind will be perfect again after 1,000 years living in a paradise without being influenced by satan and demons, since "the number of these is as the sand of the sea" (revelation 20:8), a huge amount of "perfect" people, like adam and eve, will be bad, disobedient, and rebel being misled by satan once again.. does this mean that after living today surrounded by bad, disobedient, and rebel imperfect people, you will still live surrounded by bad, disobedient and rebel "perfect" people in a paradise?.

does this mean that badness, disobedience, and rebellion are part of the "perfect" human nature considering the big amount of people involved ("as the sand of the sea")?.

is it possible that we were originally created with such a strong desire and tendency to badness, disobedience, and rebellion as a result of a wise, loving, and perfect project?.

Konagirl

Where in the Bible does it say that each and every person that survives Armageddon will need a thousand years to reach perfection under peaceful conditions? I haven’t found it.

Jesus healed the blind, healed a woman having a flow of blood for years, fed thousands of people at one time, and raised the dead. Does it even make sense to think in a perfect Kingdom ruled by Christ, that each people will still need a thousand literal years to become “perfect”? And what does this perfection mean? Jesus died a gruesome death ,and three days later was resurrected and appeared in a perfect new body. The Wt is limiting the power of Christ, but I’m not surprised.

There is no logic in their thousand year reign of Christ occurring after Armageddon, after “Gog” attacks. And, why would Gog and Magog attack once again a thousand years later, on a now perfected people who then fail big time, because they were deceived?

People who struggled to survive in the Hebrew scriptures were faithful no matter what perils they faced. The same in the Greek scriptures. They were far from perfect. Why do JWs need to be perfect before facing a final DECEITFUL test? Rev 20:7,8 Isn’t everything about the organization, and what they expect from their members, based on visible “perfection”?

Who really is it, that is deceiving JWs now? "Gog and Magog"?

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Watchtower Study: How Strong Will Your Faith Be?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | november 2021. study article 47. how strong will your faith be?.

16 note the example of geydi, a sister from guatemala.

her husband, edi, was murdered as they were returning home from a congregation meeting.

Konagirl

@Bluesbrother and @RULES & REGULATIONS,

Thank you so much for your kind words!

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Watchtower Study: How Strong Will Your Faith Be?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | november 2021. study article 47. how strong will your faith be?.

16 note the example of geydi, a sister from guatemala.

her husband, edi, was murdered as they were returning home from a congregation meeting.

Konagirl

Murdered! They picked the worst of the worse reason for her husband dying. If he was murdered, why isn't she speaking with the police instead of attending a meeting? Surely the police would have asked her questions - did her husband have enemies, could she be a suspect...I suppose all of that occurred days before she attended the next meeting. Her face is radiant as she sits in the kh; beaming, as if the light of Christ is shining upon her. Not even a puffy eye from weeping.

When my husband passed away, there was no possible way I would have appeared or felt, radiant and at peace, as she appears, a short time after his death...and I still don't, a year and half later.

Yes, JW leadership is detached from reality.

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SETTING LIMITS ON HOW TO LOVE by the the Guardians of Our Doctrines (G. O. D)

by Longlivetherenegades in

a balanced view of jesus’ role.

like those in christendom, the early bible students mistakenly allowed their love for jesus to overshadow their relationship with jehovah.

beginning in 1919, however, they came to see that jehovah and their relationship with him should be the focus of their worship.

Konagirl

We must attach neither too much nor too little importance to our love for Jesus.

How does that work? It works well through fear and ignorance. JWs are taught not to love, and taught to downplay the role of Christ. Many call him “the ransom” – true, but very sterile. I was thinking how the name “Jehovah” is used much more than “Father”. “Jehovah” is said to be a friend; a father can be a friend, but the true love between a father and a son has no limits. If Jesus and the Father are “one”, (John 10:30) and we are to honor the Son as we honor the Father, (John 5:23) wouldn’t our love for both have no bounds? JWs are to “imitate Jehovah”. I doubt God regulates how much love He has for His Son. If the leadership feels love for Christ must be bridled, kept in check, where is their scriptural proof. Their choice of John 16:27 doesn’t cut it.

“neither too much nor too little”. Right in the middle – neither hot nor cold. Tepid. Synonyms: dull, halfhearted, unenthusiastic, apathetic, disinterested…lukewarm.

I personally, would never underestimate Christ’s reaction on the matter, upon his return.

‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold (invigorating, refreshing) nor hot (healing, therapeutic); I wish that you were cold or hot. 16 So because you are lukewarm (spiritually useless), and neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of My mouth [rejecting you with disgust]. 17 Because you say, “I am rich, and have prospered and grown wealthy, and have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked [without hope and in great need]

I counsel you to buy from Me gold that has been heated red hot and refined by fire so that you may become truly rich; and white clothes [representing righteousness] to clothe yourself so that the shame of your nakedness will not be seen; and healing salve to put on your eyes so that you may see. 19 Those whom I [dearly and tenderly] love, I rebuke and discipline [showing them their faults and instructing them]; so be enthusiastic and repent [change your inner self—your old way of thinking, your sinful behavior—seek God’s will]. Rev 3:15-20

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New light and confessing to congregations.

by asp59 in

2017 - wt: the gb is neither inspired or infallible and can err in doctrine and organisational matters... clearly gb have received biblical information about things that been done wrong.

not from god directly, but letters received at headquarters.

if important new light about biblical matters have come to the gb attention, why are they not telling the congregations about that information?

Konagirl

2017 - WT: The GB is neither inspired or infallible and can err in doctrine and organisational matters.

To err: fail to adhere to the proper or accepted standards; do wrong.

The proper or accepted standards are already set out in Jesus’ words. Any deviation from that, comes from men. Where in the Bible, does it say we must follow men who deviate from the words of Jesus Christ?

Yet every JW follows along - either gullibly, or.they are apprehensive to speak up against the GB's errors, for fear of what they'll lose. (Luke 12:49-53) We're not judged by the word of men, although the GB would like us to believe we are. We're judged by the words of Jesus. John 12:47,48; Matt 7:24-27

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GB 2021 Update #10 - "get vaccinated"

by neat blue dog in

am the turd comes the closest to just coming right out and telling jws they have to do it.

he says, 'there's no need to worry, just keep doing what works: wear masks, wash your hands and get vaccinated when possible'.

the busybodies are going to be even more insufferable now than they have been.

Konagirl

pistolpete - "Kg you are correct regarding the fact that nothing makes sense regarding this virus. One of my workers just got Covid AGAIN for the second time. He had natural immunity. Both times he just got a slight fever and a little weak. He is young, early 30s and in good physical health."

Wow, and I know a friend who had the vaccine and later came down with a two-week bout of covid!.

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GB 2021 Update #10 - "get vaccinated"

by neat blue dog in

am the turd comes the closest to just coming right out and telling jws they have to do it.

he says, 'there's no need to worry, just keep doing what works: wear masks, wash your hands and get vaccinated when possible'.

the busybodies are going to be even more insufferable now than they have been.

Konagirl

Anony Mous - "We are fighting hard to get publicly released data, there is some really good data coming from John Hopkins and other places, there are therapeutics now that are more effective than the vaccine, this pandemic is over for all intents and purposes."

It will be of my interest to read, once released. This was sent to me. The pdf link is within the article: https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-12-02-smoking-gun-pfizer-document-exposes-fda-criminal-cover-up-of-vaccine-deaths.html

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GB 2021 Update #10 - "get vaccinated"

by neat blue dog in

am the turd comes the closest to just coming right out and telling jws they have to do it.

he says, 'there's no need to worry, just keep doing what works: wear masks, wash your hands and get vaccinated when possible'.

the busybodies are going to be even more insufferable now than they have been.

Konagirl

Anony Mous - Since 2019 this type of heart disease has increased by nearly 3M deaths annually, now outstripping the previous leaders neonatal and lower respiratory conditions (poverty-related issues). So our lockdowns and related issues (worldwide economic shortages) has killed nearly 3 times more people than COVID.

Incredible. On a daily basis, heart disease was already double the amount of covid-related deaths, followed by cancer, still ahead of the covid tally. I believe other physical complications than what you mentioned, specifically from the ingredients in the vaccine, will also probably cause these two to soar over the next few years. And one of the two, heart disease or cancer may eventually take down the aging GB members. The vaccine is like a band aid that won't stick.

I've had covid and am in my 60's. I have no underlying health problems, but it took a month to get over the severe fatigue. I have a 40 year-old niece who is very overweight and diabetic, and had covid for three days. Nothing seems to really makes sense in how this disease works, but I'm glad to have received natural immunity. And...I'm still taking quercetin with everything else, which I have for years.

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Geoffrey Jackson- soliciting?

by molybdenum in

i listened to geoffrey jackson’s latest talk “assisting our brothers materially “.

jackson presented some arguments, one of which was….jesus did not stop the widow from putting money in the contribution box in the temple.

basically saying regardless of your financial situation you have to donate.

Konagirl

@FFGhost - The whole time i was thinking "he is addressing some very specific criticism from <somewhere>."

Somebody really got under his skin, or someone on the GB, and Jackson was elected to deliver the message. They usually don't give two hoots about what "apostates" think. What prompted this strident defense?

I am sure that more than one person had great searing comments about AM3's talk, that got under their skin. And disfellowshipped anointed ones got involved also. https://www.facebook.com/groups/restorationofjacob/posts/1969395923233661

Jackson related the scriptures where Paul collected gifts/money for the holy ones who were poor. These people needed provisions to survive. He then translates that into the need for the organization to build kingdom halls and whatever else they devise in their mind – Ramapo. Forget the poor who need daily provisions throughout the world, but coerce the poor to give to Ramapo. Such hypocrisy.

But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. 8 But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."

Is the GB beginning to grieve over their eager need for more money?

"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18 Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share." 1 Tim 6

That is the trademark of a true charity, and the GB are not exempt from this. They apparently took the vow of poverty, but I tell ya, those men are the most fleshly, well kept poor people I have ever seen. So...JWs give to the "poor" - the GB (and their dreams)?

"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse! Gal 1:6-9

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Annual meeting 2021

by asp59 in

started to watch annual meeting.

morris speaking.

directly he compared gb now to the apostles in the bible.

Konagirl

"Directly he compared GB now to the apostles in the bible."

He's done that before to validate the ushering in of the organization's new "decrees". He actually used that word. They come from "Jehovah" even though the GB are not inspired to receive them. To use the apostles as their example, goes way beyond scripture.

The apostle Paul:

"When I was present with you and was in need, I wasn’t a burden on anyone, for the brothers, when they came from Macedonia, supplied the measure of my need. In everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you, and I will continue to do so. As the truth of Christ is in me, no one will stop me from this boasting in the regions of Achaia. 11 Why? Because I don’t love you? God knows. 12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from those who desire an occasion, that in which they boast, they may be found even as we. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as Christ’s apostles. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is no great thing therefore if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. 2 Cor 11: 9-15

Rev 2:2 - “I know your works, and your toil and perseverance, and that you can’t tolerate evil men, and have tested those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and found them false."