Posts by Konagirl

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

Duran - LOL. The deceiving being done here is by you in citing Scriptures falsely.

It translated Rev 13:14 correctly:

WEB - He deceives my own people who dwell on the earth because of the signs he was granted to do in front of the beast, saying to those who dwell on the earth that they should make an image to the beast who had the sword wound and lived.

But I’ll give you the NKJV, will you accept that?

“And he deceives [a]those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.”

The footnote for “those” says, “my own people”.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+13%3A14&version=NKJV

Why are these translations saying this? Because in Rev 13:7,10 it says the Beast “makes war with the saints”, and in verse 10, it says that they are taken captive by the “sword”. And we know “sword” symbolizes the word of God. (Heb 4:12) As I previously said, the anointed were taken captive by a bit of truth, securing them in Satan’s trap. (Matt 24:24-25; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1) The very end of this verse says, “here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” It is a testing period that Satan demands to put each anointed person through in the last days. (Luke 22:31) So, the Beast from the sea which is under the authority of the Beast from the “earth”, which represents a composite false prophet, (speaks like a dragon)…is religious, and is NOT the United Nations.

The “kings of the earth”, Christ’s kings (Rev 1:5,6) help us to see also, that the Beast which makes war with these “kings”/saints, is a religious “beast” – an idol, that requires a symbolic mark on the hand and the forehead. (2 Cor 6:16) Just like the Wt does, which requires a dedication to the organization. This is mentioned in the questions asked right before baptism. This means that those who “worship” the beast (Rev 13:4) follow its decrees instead of God’s. (Deut 6:6-9) But, since a false prophet is in control for now, this means it is preaching a “different Jesus”. (two horns like a lamb) (Rev 13:11,12; 2 Cor 11:3,4)

Don’t you see that this is why God’s people are being called out of “Babylon?” (Rev 18:4) where a Harlot/false prophet “from the earth”, has broken their covenant with God and Jesus, and are teaching lies? (Isa 24:5; Jer 22:9; Isa 28:14,15,18,19) And they are expecting allegiance, dedication to the Beast/organization that they “exercise authority” over? This false prophet “breathed spirit” into the Beast. (Rev 13:15) This fits the “spirit directed organization”/Watchtower perfectly, where God’s anointed are held captive to “empty philosophy”, and threatened with loss of family and friends, even their standing with "Jehovah", if they dare go against the Beast/elder body/man of lawlessness. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Col 2:8; Luke 21:16-17)

Rev 16:13-14 – “I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, something like frogs; 14 for they are spirits of demons, performing signs; which go out to the kings of the whole inhabited earth, to gather them together for the war of that great day of God, the Almighty.

God’s holy people ARE the “inhabited earth”.

“For we are God's fellow workers. You are God's field, God's building.” 1 Cor 3:9

“Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” 1 Cor 3:16 NKJV

God’s Temple/building/dwelling in Spirit is found in the hearts of His anointed ones. (Luke 8:5-8,15; Matt 13:38; Mark 4:20; James 1:21; 2 Cor 1:21-22; John 14:23)

“building” – “having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” Eph 2:20-22, NKJV

Eph 2:22 WEB – “in whom you also are built together for a habitation of God in the Spirit.”

Unless they have left the organization, the anointed are in the Wt. “beast”, just as I have already said.

As for your other questions, I believe I had already mentioned that "144,000" were blameless, and never worshipped the Beast. While, the remnant, the "great crowd" who come out of the great tribulation, are victorious over the Beast. (Rev 14:1,5; 20:4; 15:2,3; 7:9-15) This remnant that "washed their robes and made them white n the blood of the lamb" - which signifies their need to be cleansed - join the symbolic "144,000" bringing in its full number needed for the completion of the Temple/New Jerusalem/Bride of Christ. Rev 21:1-3

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

Since Revelation is a book of “signs”, (Rev 1:1) numbers have greater meaning than what they appear on the surface in this book. We can’t apply them literally. If that was the case, then people would be walking around with the number “666” literally written on their forehead. (Rev 13:4,16-18) We cannot take the half hour of silence in heaven, (Rev 8:1) during the time when God’s saints are trampled, and truth was “thrown down to the ground”, as literal. (Dan 8:9-12; 2 Thess 2:3-4; Rev 11:1-2; 13:6-7) God’s heavenly timetable is not our literal timetable.

For ”one hour” the Beast from the sea is in power after it throws out the Harlot/false prophet who “exercises all authority” over it previously. (Rev 13:11-12; 17:15-18,12)

(these symbolic “10 kings who have not received a kingdom”, are the unsealed anointed who remain in the Beast, giving their authority over to it, instead of turning to Christ)

One literal hour would not be enough time to restructure an organization, to get it up and running again, before it is thrown into the “lake of fire” along with the false prophet. (Rev 19:20; Jer 23:29)

False prophet – “I saw another beast coming up out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon. 12 He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. He makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.”

He deceives my own people who dwell on the earth because of the signs he was granted to do in front of the beast, saying to those who dwell on the earth that they should make an image to the beast who had the sword wound and lived.” Revelation 13:11,12,14

Same False prophet/harlot – “I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, that you have no participation in her sins, and that you don’t receive of her plagues, 5 for her sins have reached to the sky, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 Return to her just as she returned, and repay her double as she did, and according to her works. In the cup which she mixed, mix to her double. 7 However much she glorified herself, and grew wanton, so much give her of torment and mourning. For she says in her heart, ‘I sit a queen, and am no widow, and will in no way see mourning.’ 8 Therefore in one day her plagues will come: death, mourning, and famine; and she will be utterly burned with fire; for the Lord God who has judged her is strong.”

The ”kings of the earth” are Christ kings (Rev 1:5-6) that either listen to the call to get out, (Rev 16:13-16) and turn away from their sins, or remain in the Beast.

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

Duran - "Why would any truly anointed person accept false teachings and teach those teachings to others?"

Maybe these scriptures will help, showing the fall into false teachings:

Revelation 13:7,10; Col 2:8; Luke 21:24; Dan 11:33 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13%3A7%2C10%3B+Col+2%3A8%3B+Luke+21%3A24%3B+Dan+11%3A33&version=CSB

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

Duran - "Again, as I said if one was truly anointed, they would have never embraced something false believing it was true. They would have known it was false to start with if they tested it first."

Not necessarily. If truth is mixed with lies, it may all be accepted as "truth". (Matt 7:15-20)

Col 2:8 - Be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition, based on the elements of the world, rather than Christ. 9 For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ, 10 and you have been filled by him, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

If you died with Christ to the elements of this world, why do you live as if you still belonged to the world? Why do you submit to regulations: 21 “Don’t handle, don’t taste, don’t touch”? 22 All these regulations refer to what is destined to perish by being used up; they are human commands and doctrines. 23 Although these have a reputation for wisdom by promoting self-made religion, false humility, and severe treatment of the body, they are not of any value in curbing self-indulgence.

Looks to me like Paul saw anointed ones falling for human doctrine, drifting away from the truth in Christ. This is exactly what has happened to anointed ones in the organization. I've heard JWs say that even though false teachings have come and gone, the "core teachings" are solid truth. For that, the organization will always remain "the truth".

King Solomon knew God's decrees, His truth. As God's anointed King, he was blessed with immense wisdom by the Spirit of God. Yet, he fell, and he fell hard into idolatry and sin.

Matt 25:14-30; 1-13; 2 Cor 13:5; Luke 22:31-32; Matt 24:45-51

Deut 29:16-21; Heb 12:15-17; Revelation 8:10-11 – (fallen star/false prophet)

“stars” - Phil 2:12-16 Dan 12:1-3)

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

Duran - I think it is safe to say that TRUE anointed love truth, therefore they would never believe the LIE/be deceived, so it will not be possible to lead them astray.

So many who have left the organization believed they were “in the truth” only to find after waking up, that they were practicing the lie. Have you heard of Ray Franz? He was a genuine anointed one, and on the GB! He thought he was “in the truth”, until something clicked, and with God’s grace, the man fully awakened and gave a testimony of truth. (Isa 29:18-19) This led to his disfellowshipping, considered a spiritual “killing”. (Rev 6:9-11) In the long run, those who go through this test, come out as victors over the “Beast”. (Rev 2:10) Many anointed that I know, thought they were “in the truth” as well, and embraced it. It took time, sometimes years to realize we were trapped in the lie.

Jer 5:26 - ‘For wicked men are found among My people,
They watch like fowlers lying in wait;
They set a trap,
They catch men.

2 Cor 11: "I wish you would put up with a little foolishness from me. Yes, do put up with me! For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy, because I have promised you in marriage to one husband—to present a pure virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your minds may be seduced from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if a person comes and preaches another Jesus, whom we did not preach, or you receive a different spirit, which you had not received, or a different gospel, which you had not accepted, you put up with it splendidly!

Wasn’t Paul warning those that they were deceived into believing a lie? These ones, were not “blameless”.

The scriptures warned the anointed and all continually, about not being deceived, not kowtowing to men, not believing in “another doctrine”. Jesus was perfect, but Satan still tested him in the wilderness. (Luke 4:1-13) The anointed are not perfect, and they sin just as anyone else. They must prove their worth, and many fall. (2 Pet 3:17-18) Satan knows our weak points, and he will try to use them against us to bring about our downfall.

Col 2:18-19 “Let no one condemn you by delighting in ascetic practices and the worship of angels, claiming access to a visionary realm. Such people are inflated by empty notions of their unspiritual mind. 19 They don’t hold on to the head, from whom the whole body, nourished and held together by its ligaments and tendons, grows with growth from God.”

These were anointed that fell away from their Head, Jesus Christ. So you see, Satan can lead the anointed into believing a powerful delusion. They learn to love the lie, over the truth in Christ.

2 Cor 4:3,4 - "But if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 In their case, the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. "

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

Duran - Why would any truly anointed person accept false teachings and teach those teachings to others?

Look at this translation for Matt 24:24-25 – “For false Christs shall arise, and false prophets, and will do wonderful miracles so that if it were possible, even God’s chosen ones would be deceived.”

2 Thess 2: “Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him: We ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily upset or troubled, either by a prophecy or by a message or by a letter supposedly from us, alleging that the day of the Lord has come.

“What remarkable events Revelation chapter 12, verses 7 through 17, describes concerning “the Lord’s day” since 1914! W 92/5/1 p 17

Who else but the Wt. has predicted so widely that the “Lord’s day” or that the “day of the Lord” came in 1914?

2 Thess 2: “Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God.”

Sitting indicates ruling with authority. (Luke 22:69) The elder body not anointed, rule over the anointed living stones of God’s spiritual Temple; and apparently, this authority cannot be challenged without suffering consequences.

Reading Ezek 44:6-9 shows what happens when foreigners entered God physical temple, either taking over priestly duties, or simply profaning it by their presence. This is an abomination, and it is occurring once again in the Wt. (2 Chron 13:9; Num 3:10)

1 Cor 3:16,17 - Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s temple and that the Spirit of God lives in you? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and that is what you are.”

2 Thess 2:7 – “The coming of the lawless one is based on Satan’s working, with every kind of miracle, both signs and wonders serving the lie,

False prophets were said to come and work great wonders, miracles and signs, deceiving the elect. Matt 24:24

2 Thess 2: 10 and with every wicked deception among those who are perishing. They perish because they did not accept the love of the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe the lie, 12 so that all will be condemned—those who did not believe the truth but delighted in unrighteousness.

Why would God “send” a strong delusion? Satan has demanded to sift the anointed as “wheat”, all of them from the first century. (Luke 22:31)

Duran – “Your so-called anointed within JW land are not without blemish, and there was deceit in their mouth with those false teachings. Something that would never have happened if they tested what they were being taught before accepting it as true.”

As you said, none of the sealed symbolic “144,000” were deceived. They were found blameless. (Rev 14:4-5) And as you said, this is not so with the remaining remnant of anointed in the last days. They are under a strong delusion of the lie that “Jehovah’s organization”, an idol, will lead them to salvation. (Rom 1:25) God allows this sifting of hearts, this choice of free will, just as was the case in the days of the Pharisees.

The “144,000” sealed anointed did not worship the Beast or its image of “spirit directed” (Rev 13:4,15). Why? The Beast came after their time of testimony during their lifetimes when on earth, resulting in their beheading. When the Beast arose from the abyss, it’s false prophets (Rev 13:11,12) went to work “captivating” the remnant (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10).

So, the 144,000 that never worshipped the Beast had nothing to do with it at all. But, scriptures tell us that the “great crowd” that comes out of the great tribulation spoken of in Matt 24:24,25, gain victory over the Beast.

“Then I saw another great and awe-inspiring sign in heaven: seven angels with the seven last plagues; for with them God’s wrath will be completed. 2 I also saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who had won the victory over the beast, its image, and the number of its name, were standing on the sea of glass with harps from God.” Rev 15:1-2

They were disfellowshipped, spiritually “killed” for their testimony to Christ, (Rev 11:1-7,11,12; Zech 4:11-14) and by that testimony, they gained eternal life. They individually, conquered the devil. (Rev12:10) Do you see that it mentions the “number of its name”? That is the man of lawlessness that sits in the temple of God - the elder body who usurped the role of God's royal priesthood, spoken about in Rev 13:18 and 2 Thess 2:3,4.

Not all anointed priests are willing to lose all that they have gained while in the organization. (Mark 8:35; Jer 5:30-31; Rev 18:4-8) Not all will let go of the idol. Rev 16:13-16

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

Vanderhoven7 - Jesus was clearly talking about the stones of the literal temple. Find me one Bible scholar which thinks otherwise. Even the Watchtower admits this.

We know that happened. But in the last days, it was to occur again on a spiritual level. (1 Cor 15:46) The Wt. is responsible for throwing down and scattering “living stones”. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I believe you never were a JW, is that right? For some who have spent years inside, you come to understand the perils the anointed are facing – that is, after you awake from its delusion. The GB are believed to be anointed (doubt all, in my opinion), “living stones”/ priests/ a “faithful slave/steward”/ of God’s spiritual household. (Luke 12:42; Matt 24:45) Yet, they have barred their brothers and sisters in Christ from working as a body under their Head, while the GB have their own “Gentile” elder body, not anointed, whom they work with. This “body” is under their “head” and direction, the GB, connecting with them; and the GB rely on them to convey their doctrine of men. (Luke 22:24-26) The anointed on the other hand, are threaten from gathering under Jesus Christ, from answering only to his word, to his guidance under Holy Spirit. The sarcastic threats come through statements such as…

“…anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity.” W 16 pg 24

Can you imagine the arrogance to tell an anointed one, who experienced Holy Spirit poured into their heart, that they cannot bond and study the word of God with their own spiritual brothers and sisters in Christ? This “unity” and false sense of peace and security (1 Thess 5:3) that the organization strives to maintain under false prophets/christs as their only head, is an evil dichotomy to the unity that God’s anointed priests are to support under Jesus Christ. (1 Cor 12; Rom 12:3-9; Eph 4:1-5)

1 Cor 12:24-26 – “Instead, God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the less honorable, 25 so that there would be no division in the body, but that the members would have the same concern for each other. 26 So if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.”

They have fallen into a trap of a powerful deception. This “steward” is wicked, the “faithful and discreet slave” is wicked. And the anointed have been greatly deceived into supporting it. (Luke 16:1-2; Matt 24:48-51)

Matt 24:24-25 - For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 And unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the [j]elect (“chosen ones” – Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9) those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the [o]elect (“chosen ones”).

25 Behold, I have told you in advance.“

Acts 20:29-31 - “I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Men will rise up even from your own number and distort the truth to lure the disciples into following them. 31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I never stopped warning each one of you with tears.”

2 Pet 2:1-3 – “There were indeed false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved ways, and the way of truth will be maligned because of them. 3 They will exploit you in their greed with made-up stories. Their condemnation, pronounced long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep.

1 Tim 4:1 – “Now the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2 through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared.”

The book of Revelation was written after the destruction of Jerusalem.

Rev 11:1-2 - Then I was given a measuring reed like a rod, with these words: “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count those who worship there. 2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Don’t measure it, because it is given to the nations,[c] (“Gentiles”) and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.

The “Gentile” elder body that “represents the priesthood” is a doctrine that cannot be “challenged”. The “holy city” is New Jerusalem, the Temple of God, comprised of “living stones”. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Gal 4:26 The Wt. “Beast” has mentally, spiritually and emotionally, trampled the anointed “saints” through false doctrine, and threats of loss of family and friends, if they dare stand for the teachings of Jesus Christ. (John 16:2; Heb 13:13) Their “daily sacrifices” of praise to be offered from their heart, has been removed and replaced by a counterfeit priesthood in the elder body, who offer sacrifices of praise to an organizational idol, their fortress. (1 Pet 2:5; Heb 13:15; Mal 3:14-15; Dan 11:36,38;8:11,24; Rev 13:1-2,5-7,4) (Dan 8:25; 2 Thess 2:8)

They, who should be the teachers (Mal 2:7) have been symbolically disrobed and silenced, mimicking what a wicked slave and entourage expect them to teach. We have ample proof that anything taught beyond the realm of the Wt., is considered apostasy.

Dan 7:23-25; Rev 11:1-2; Dan 12:11

Vanderhoven7 - Regarding the reference to "this generation" at Luke 21:32, Professor Joel B. Green notes: "In the Third Gospel, 'this generation' (and related phrases) has regularly signified a category of people who are resistant to the purpose of God.

"A category of people". That's a good way to put it, but how broad is that category. We can look at the physical generation of the time of Christ, and we can also consider the two spiritual generations since Gen 3:15. Two seeds at war, that arise or “generate”.

“Our father is Abraham,” they replied. “If you were Abraham’s children,” Jesus told them, “you would do what Abraham did. John 8:39

41 You’re doing what your father does.” “We weren’t born of sexual immorality,” they said. “We have one Father—God.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, because I came from God and I am here. For I didn’t come on my own, but he sent me.

They are part of a generation of vipers. Matt 12:34, two translations:

“You offspring of vipers! How can you speak good things when you are evil (wicked)? For out of the fullness (the overflow, the superabundance) of the heart the mouth speaks.”

“O generation of vipers, how can you speak good things, whereas you are evil? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.”

“You are of your father the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44

Those who rightfully have as their Father, God, are of a righteous generation.

Hallelujah!
Happy is the person who fears the Lord,
taking great delight in his commands.
2 His descendants will be powerful in the land;
the generation of the upright will be blessed. Psalm 112:1-2

We are the physical offspring of our father and mother, one generation.

We can choose our Father, God, and our mother, the new covenant/promise of life fulfilled in the completed Temple, with the Bride of Christ. (Gal 4:24,26,31; Rev 21:2), and be born of God's Spirit, or…we can choose Satan as our father, and the covenant promise of death – Babylon the Great, as our “mother”, and be born of Satan's spirit. (Isa 28:15,18)

Each comprise one spiritual generation - a "crooked and twisted generation" - Deut 32:5; Acts 2:40

Or, a righteous generation in imitation of God. Eph 5:1; Phil 2:15

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

"These stones" can not come down again; the armies (abomination) that caused such desolation are long gone; those in Judaea will not have to flee to the hills again or be slain by swords or shipped off to all nations where they are today.

Not literal stones, but chosen "living stones" of God's spiritual temple. The abomination in today's spiritual Temple (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) is the man of lawlessness "standing where it doesn't belong". (Ezek 44:6-9; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3-4; Rev 11:1-2)

“Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth.

“Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! Jehovah’s spirit is upon them; they have his approval.” ( w02 8/1 p. 13)

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

Duran - Absolutely too much emphasis. If their claim to fame (to being appointed the f&ds) in 1919 is a false teaching, then what basis is there to think that Jesus has anything more or less to do with them than any of all the other so-called Christian faiths?

I understand, since in comparison to other religions, it's not nearly as prominent. Their claim to fame is bogus, as is their doctrine, BUT, there was just enough truth to lead all the anointed over the years into its trap, into “Babylon”. The Wt. has described correctly the “royal priesthood” as “living stones” of the spiritual temple of God; yet even that truth has been changed recently into a lie. Now, thanks to G. Losch who promotes it, all JWs are part of this spiritual temple. Do they realize that would make all JWs, priests? I never said Jesus had interest in the organization, except to see its downfall. (2 Thess 2:7-8; Rev 13:1-2,18; 19:20) His first interest is his appointed priesthood – the anointed chosen by God, which are held captive by its lies. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; John 15:16; Matt 16:18; 1 Cor 3:16; 6:19-20; Eph 2:20-22; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 3:18) Jesus also is calling out all JWs who are residing in spiritual captivity under “harlots”, those of God’s people who have broken their covenant with Christ, to enter a new one – “Babylon the Great”. (Isa 28:14-19; Rev 13:11,12; 17:1-6;18:4-8)

The proof that there are any genuine anointed in the Wt.? When you are genuinely anointed, it’s not a mere “feeling” that you will be going to heaven, or that you “just know it”, it is a supernatural experience. The genuine anointed in the organization are told NOT to talk about their anointing, and JWs are dissuaded from asking. This should raise a red flag. Why can't they? It isn't scriptural, but pure slavery to the will men. (2 Cor 11:20; Gal 1:10) The early priests and kings were anointed with holy oil. They felt it run down their beard and their garments as Psalm 133:2 poetically tells us. God’s holy priesthood under Christ are anointed with Holy Spirit that permeates every fiber of one’s being, as if symbolic warm oil pours from above, filling one’s heart with indescribable love and peace. (Rom 5:5) Neither God, Jesus nor His Spirit are inactive in this time period. I know anointed ones from the Wt, and I was anointed when a young woman just entering the org. Our experiences were very similar, but still tailored to the individual. The organization was the inspiration of the adversary, with the intention to destroy those belonging to Christ. (1 Pet 5:8; Matt 7:15; 24:24-25; Acts 20:29-31) Wasn’t Jesus hunted by Herod, and he killed all the children ages 2 and under, hoping that Jesus was among them? (Matt 2:16) Didn’t Jesus tell his disciples NOT to go door to door? (Luke 10:5-7) Yet, what do JWs pride themselves in, but going “house to house”?

The Kingdom will not arrive until the temple built with “living stones” is complete… (Zech 4:4-8; Rom 8:19; Rev 13:7; Dan 7:19-21) …when those priests who submit to the will of God, walk in the path that Christ took, losing family and friends for their testimony to truth, submit to refinement through God’s word, are then sealed into the heavens. (Matt 25:1-13; Heb 12:22) Satan knows this, and he’s doing everything he can to stop the process, because they are part of Christ’s spiritual body, the Temple of God under the new covenant. (Gal:4:26) (1 Cor 10:17; 12:13-14) The loss of Satan’s own kingdom is at stake, so in the last days, he uses deceit to take captive the anointed, over the lifetime of the Wt. (Rev 16:13-16; 20:7-9)

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.

Luke 17:20 - Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation”.

observation – “inspection, ocular evidence”.

If we take these words as the truth that they are, then Jesus is not talking about literal earthquakes or wars among nations to be observed, or to keep our eyes on. There are two sets of signs, one that Jesus is speaking about, and one that creates a diversion tactic, a deterrent from the real “war” and real “earthquakes” that affect an individual. Real, meaning the spiritual, not the physical. 1 Cor 2:14 “The whole world lies in the power of the wicked one” 1 John 5:19. Although the earth is bound to have earthquakes anyway, Satan can also create his own set of signs that requires observation. The Wt. has set up a kingdom, that can be observed and revered. But Jesus said right after Luke 17:20 - “ nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.” That’s not something that can be observed, but only felt. We see Satan’s power at work in the book of Job. He can also convince people to look for those physical signs, through the mouths of his “ministers” – false teachers/prophets. 2 Cor 11:13-15

In Luke 21, the very first thing that Jesus tells us is that false teachers/ prophets will arise saying “the time is at hand”, and they will appear to represent Christ. He says, don’t go after them (Luke 21:8); but guess what, those who became JWs, certainly did go after them; especially the “elect”/saints/anointed priests-kings, which was prophesied to happen. Matt 7:15; 24:24,25; Luke 22:31; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10

He then mentions wars, famine, earthquakes. But he says, “But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake.“ Luke 21:12-13

For the sake of Jesus Christ, not for being a JW. John 16:2,3

So, we’re back to the presence of false prophets (because it mentions religious synagogues/”congregations”), and what they do to those who reject their teachings. If, in the organization we stand up for the words of Christ over the words of the GB, what happens? We are “brought before” the ruling elders under the authority of anointed “kings” (Rev 5:9,10), “governors”. Luke 21:12-13; Matt 10:18; Luke 22:24-26 We give our testimony to Christ’s teachings, we expose the lies in the same manner that Jesus did.

And, what comes next does happen as a result:

“You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 17 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake.” Luke 21:16-17

If the signs are spiritual, then this “death” in this day, is through disfellowshipping. (Rev 13:11,12,15)

17 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake.”

Those “apostates” who leave the lies and reject the organization as belonging to God, are certainly hated. If we use the words of Jesus, the scriptures, to refute the lies when before a judicial committee, the hammer comes down. (John 16:2; Rev 13:10,15)

So what kind of earthquakes is Jesus talking about? The tremors and upheaval in the “soil”/earth of our heart when we find out we were serving the lie. Our heart undergoes change. Heb 12:27 And “earthquakes” that come from God, a shaking of His people. Matt 13:18-23; Hos 10:12; Isa 7:2; Isa 52:2; Amos 9:9; Jer 31:33

And the wars? Jesus faced a war in his day against the Pharisees, a war of his truth against their lies. Luke 20:20; Mark 3:1,2; John 8:13-14,23-24,39-47

It was a decision-making war for all who heard his message. Joel 3:14 Don’t we also see this today? There is the term coined, “the Vast Apostate Army”, dedicated to bring down the Wt. About the apostates, D. Splain himself said, "Brothers and Sisters, this is war”.

The two “Beasts” that “kill” any who refuse to worship it, (Rev 13:5,8), “make war with the saints”. (Rev 13:7)

And there, is the war that Jesus was talking about that happens to the anointed in the last days. Sure, the world is physically suffering from wars, but as Paul said, our war is spiritual, not carnal. There are anointed ones very active outside the organization, using God’s Word to tear down the GB’s lies. 1 Cor 11:19; 2 Cor 10:3-6 Those that remain inside the organization, believe in watching and counting the earthquakes and wars that they can observe, expecting the Kingdom to arrive any minute, but they are totally blind to the trap that they believe is their salvation. Amos 5:18

Oh, and famine - “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord God,
“That I will send a famine on the land,
Not a famine of bread,
Nor a thirst for water,
But of hearing the words of the Lord. Amos 8:11

So, am I putting to much emphasis on the Watchtower? There are a remnant of genuine anointed who are the target of deception. They belong to Christ, they are his kings of the earth/priests. (Rev 1:5,6; 1 Pet 2:5,9) Just as Satan was trying to deceive and destroy Christ, he is also wanting to destroy the members of Christ’s body…using deceit through the mouths of false prophets/teachers.

“I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, something like frogs; 14 for they are spirits of demons, performing signs; which go out to the kings of the whole inhabited earth, to gather them together for the war of that great day of God, the Almighty.

15 “Behold, I come like a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his clothes, so that he doesn’t walk naked, and they see his shame.”

16 He (the dragon) gathered them together into the place which is called in Hebrew, “Megiddo”.

Armageddon

Luke 22:31-32